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Moraguth
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
120
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Posted - 2014.11.14 11:01:37 -
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I approve of this thinly veiled attempt to promote your youtube channel. well played.
I got a Feature Added!
Stop calling an Abaddon "abba-dawn". It is "uh-bad-in"
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1542
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Posted - 2014.11.14 12:07:54 -
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I think there need to be more stations if there are bubbles. Four will just be camped.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Dave Stark
7167
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Posted - 2014.11.14 12:35:21 -
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Aivo Dresden wrote:You guys do realise that there won't be any gates there, or back right? You will have to fit a probe launcher, or take an alt scanner. Even then, finding WH exits to people who are not experienced with it, can be tricky and time consuming.
wormholes are one of the only places i've never lived...
but if thera has a bunch of high sec statics surely finding a way in to thera is literally as easy as logging on to a character inside thera, scanning a wormhole that connects to kspace... and well, yeah that's it. there's your kspace entrance to thera. |
Dornlin Labiani
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.11.14 12:46:03 -
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Nightingale Actault wrote:Waltaratzor wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?
Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it. How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone? A couple of reasons: 1: Apparently due to sheer incredible size, and quite possibly new system mechanics, it will be difficult if not impossible to lock the system down. Too huge, too many ways in and out. 2: It's connected to... literally... everywhere. Depending on how this is handled it could be the most convenient market hub in all of New Eden. On point 1. The problem isn't getting into the system. Its getting into the trade station itself, which will undoubtedly be camped 23/7. Especially if you are in a freighter. And if freighters can't navigate it, it won't be a trade hub. I disagree, I've stocked a trade hub personally using nothing but Blockade Runners and DST. It sure takes a lot longer than a freighter or JF, but it can be done.
I agree with you. Could be done. Probably won't be based on the description of the system as it stands.
Looks like a free for all zone, though I suppose you could bring in compressed ore and blueprint copies to make ships for profit. But it's going to be very dangerous.
Risking 125m in ship, plus fitting, is not really a problem. Losing the cargo is. Any medium or small operations will avoid this. Once again it's big-boy-land. Not a negative. But it's not a place that my people would go. |
Liz Laser
Blood Tribe Inc Circle-Of-Two
73
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:41:44 -
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I'm going to agree with the people who said Freeport and ThunderDome.
I got to experience the FreePort and ThunderDome experiments in the Delve/Querious about 2 years ago, so I'll definitely poke my head in with an alt and see what Thera turns into.
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Winter Archipelago
Thera Industries
287
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Posted - 2014.11.14 20:27:14 -
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I absolutely plan on being there, and I intend to try and get a bit of industry running. It'll be a fun experiment, if nothing else.
Consequently, and shameless promotion, I've created a channel in-game called Thera Industries as a general public chat for industrialists planning to try living there.
Join the channel Thera Industries in-game for a general public channel for Thera-based industrialists.
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Aurelius Valentius
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
394
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Posted - 2014.11.14 20:42:32 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:I absolutely plan on being there, and I intend to try and get a bit of industry running. It'll be a fun experiment, if nothing else.
Consequently, and shameless promotion, I've created a channel in-game called Thera Industries as a general public chat for industrialists planning to try living there.
Noted for future war targets... thanks. \o/!
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Toria Nynys
Surly Dinos
0
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:08:31 -
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I can't see this working as intended. Static wormholes are just gates, minus aggression countdown and guns. Thera is no different than Rancer or Amamake with a few more gates. In fact, with bubbles, it's even WORSE.
Normally I'd put an alt there and run a few blueprints in just in case it's profitable, but seeing as I'm down to one account that's not happening either.
Might be a fun place for people to generate KMs and a shortcut for w-space dwellers to highsec. I can't see it being a freeport system, there's just nothing to encourage that.
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Winter Archipelago
Thera Industries
287
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:11:47 -
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Aurelius Valentius wrote:Winter Archipelago wrote:I absolutely plan on being there, and I intend to try and get a bit of industry running. It'll be a fun experiment, if nothing else.
Consequently, and shameless promotion, I've created a channel in-game called Thera Industries as a general public chat for industrialists planning to try living there. Noted for future war targets... thanks. \o/! Thera is in W-Space. W-Space is 0.0. If you're wasting 50m on a wardec, well... you're wasting 50m on a wardec.
Toria Nynys wrote: In fact, with bubbles, it's even WORSE.
No anchorable bubbles, according to CCP.
Join the channel Thera Industries in-game for a general public channel for Thera-based industrialists.
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Toria Nynys
Surly Dinos
0
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:29:01 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:[quote=Aurelius Valentius]
No anchorable bubbles, according to CCP.
Ceptor/dictor bubbles are good enough to pull people out of warp. Not as low maintenace, but still ++danger.
Complete theorycraft until it goes live + a few weeks. I fully expect to join massive blobs destined for or passing through Thera for purposes of raiding. Trading and manufacturing there? Not so much. Even though I have perfect Sissies standings.
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Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2014.11.15 07:15:47 -
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The viability of this as any sort of trade hub will not just be the ability to get into it. Probably the bigger concern will be the ability to undock.
Undock mechanics will really be a big key.
Poor mechanics will make it "Hotel California". You can check in anytime you like, but you can never leave
Anyone have any updates on New Rancer from the test server?
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corebloodbrothers
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
664
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Posted - 2014.11.15 14:31:02 -
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To me its more a thunderdome then a market hub. Ofc people will sneak stuff in, and public contracts eill hold small ships at a inflated price, as demand suply blabla
Big warps between stations make simulatanious fukl control hard. Nu anchorable bubles, and a delayed local are all going to be fun. Nullified gangs, snipers, it will all be there. |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1552
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Posted - 2014.11.15 19:21:16 -
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Yep, can't see this becoming a major market hub. Bubbles and only four stations will limit that pretty severely.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
188
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Posted - 2014.11.15 22:13:21 -
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I really like the reference Fozzie made about Sigil, the Dungeons & Dragons planescape city connected to all other realms and dimensions...
There is great potential, I am just concerned that four stations only may be too easy to shut down by the largest groups...
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
solo? There is a new hope...
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
988
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Posted - 2014.11.16 08:21:09 -
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*reads up on Thera*
Ok.
No bubbles (NO DAMN BUBBLES) except for dictors and heavy dictors.
Huge system.
No moons. No PI.
No local (WH space....wheeee).
No caps (but freighters/JF's can squeeze in, barely).
This isn't going to replace Jita, but for some people its going to be absolutely glorious.
Glorious, I tell you.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5664
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Posted - 2014.11.16 09:08:01 -
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A part of me hopes that Thera will be like Tortuga from POTC.
But my experience with the min-max sperglords tells me that it'll be get pulled out of warp then die and that's that.
It might be assumed that I'm referring to killmail min maxers, but I'm not. I refer to the ones already in place, doing with they do best that we all have written and read about.
And this means that nobody will be hunting the hunters because you don't maximize your ISK doing that.
Meaning that "Tortuga becomes the place the Black Pearl went to get a crew after being raised from the deep "and was sunk in 24 hours end of story (or, no story at all for that matter and no game at all for that other matter where this analogy is made).
Get rid of all kinds of bubbles and we'll have a cauldron of PVP. Keep the dictor bubbles and we'll have a WTFOMGBBQPWMWellThatSuckedBackToIncursionsMeh,
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
245
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Posted - 2014.11.16 09:32:05 -
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Nuela wrote:
Exactly. I will take risks...it's just that, In Eve, there is very little reward worth the extra risk.
You just tell that to yourself to make you feel better about your risk averse self. |
Grey Stone
Fatal and The rabbit The G0dfathers
28
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Posted - 2014.11.16 11:09:35 -
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I personally would like if CCP would make any kind of bubbles in Thera impossible. I think it would make this system much more believable and fun. People would need to work harder to get kills. my 2c. |
Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
178
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Posted - 2014.11.16 23:27:37 -
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Yeah I posted my initial skepticism about Thera as a trade hub a few pages back.
Putting a lot of entrances and exits into the system will make the system as a whole impossible to lock down. However, there are only 4 stations. 4 stations are not hard to lock down.
If CCP wants Thera to be a trade hub, they need to come up with some uniquely powerful station guns that work like CONCORD or something. Basically that will give us high sec stations in WH space.
Failing that, Thera can't be a trade hub. it can still be a really cool system for people to go visit. But it won't live up to its expectations until people can freely dock and undock from the stations. I am writing this post for the future. From what I am getting, when they say something is coming out during the next release, they are usually pretty much done with the major technological issues of it. They respond to feedback but usually only to adjust numbers or make changes that don't require much code. Anyway, my suspicion is that at this point Thera will be hitting the market as currently written. But for the expansion AFTER Thera, you could add some really intense station guns to make sure anybody can dock and undock. Then, given the huge number of entrances and exits from the system, savvy traders could get in and out.
The station guns should shoot bubbles as well as aggressive ships. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5190
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Posted - 2014.11.17 00:00:33 -
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Well, a covert nullified strategic cruiser can haul in some 1k m-¦ in minerals at a time.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2134
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Posted - 2014.11.17 00:30:14 -
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Zappity wrote:Yep, can't see this becoming a major market hub. Bubbles and only four stations will limit that pretty severely.
Edit: which is a great shame. In a way this could be harder to stock than null systems because you can't JF in. I believe you can cyno jump within the same wormhole system.
Interesting, isn't it?
Make space glamorous!
Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
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Moraguth
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
124
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Posted - 2014.11.17 01:33:49 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Zappity wrote:Yep, can't see this becoming a major market hub. Bubbles and only four stations will limit that pretty severely.
Edit: which is a great shame. In a way this could be harder to stock than null systems because you can't JF in. I believe you can cyno jump within the same wormhole system. Interesting, isn't it?
Yeah, that was my thinking for being a pirate in the system. Covert cynos would allow your entire cov ops fleet to cross the entire system on a moment's notice. I guess it would work for jump freighters too (so long as they can get in system without being bubbled).
I got a Feature Added!
Stop calling an Abaddon "abba-dawn". It is "uh-bad-in"
dictionary.com/abaddon
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Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
1056
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Posted - 2014.11.17 02:42:18 -
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A market hub with WH rules. Boy, I see no room for exploitation there. Especially if a large group with coms decides to show up and use it to grief all known space. Luckily EvE does not have people like that, very large groups who sole purpose is to destroy games.
Looks like we dodged a bullet there thanks to CCP fully thinking this change through.
This thread has so much content it may be 'Thread of the Year' and it is only January.
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Telegram Sam
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
1396
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Posted - 2014.11.17 02:46:17 -
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Late in discussion, but OP's posted video was excellent, I thought. Well reasoned, fact-checked, background researched, precision edited, and voice-presented like a Morgan Freeman. Total pro. Do you get paid for this kind of stuff in RL?
Will check your 'Youtube channel again. |
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
3618
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Posted - 2014.11.17 08:17:39 -
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A.K.A Hodor Von Grootenberg
I'm a Snaper - imgur.com/8EHPPWU
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
3
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Posted - 2014.11.17 09:06:52 -
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corebloodbrothers wrote:To me its more a thunderdome then a market hub. Ofc people will sneak stuff in, and public contracts eill hold small ships at a inflated price, as demand suply blabla
Big warps between stations make simulatanious fukl control hard. Nu anchorable bubles, and a delayed local are all going to be fun. Nullified gangs, snipers, it will all be there.
seriosuly? Four stations makes simultaneous contorl hard? Do you ever play eve? Locking down four areas in one system is easy. Four groups of people. Bing, done. What's so hard? The distance between stations is irrelevant if people don't need to move between them.
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Snagletooth Johnson
Snagle Material Services CAStabouts
192
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Posted - 2014.11.17 12:16:30 -
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Bwhahahah. A merchant going to Thera will be like driving a beer truck through Detroit...at night...with the doors open...with Ice Cream truck music playing...while stuck in second gear...
...I could go on, but I think you all get the point. |
Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
208
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Posted - 2014.11.17 13:21:08 -
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You know there is life outside of highsec. Indeed some people almost never venture into highsec. As for "we need lots of stuff before its good for trade and to live there". Our wormhole had no trade hub in it at all. We bring everything with us. In our old C2 there was at least 2 people who didn't even base out of a POS.
As for locking the system down. Well with only hics and interdictors, it is at least harder. Also there is a rumor that station guns may not like bubbles or bubblers. But we will have to see. Of course there is not a lot of point in doing this unless there is someone to play with. Even the f1 monkeys in the big corps get bored.
As for more stations? How many stations are in jita? I don't know, i only ever use one the very rare times i am there. Howmany of you have every used any of the other stations.
This place, and the 100 other new WH systems all sound like a lot of fun to me.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
181
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Posted - 2014.11.17 14:52:30 -
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Delt0r Garsk wrote:You know there is life outside of highsec. Indeed some people almost never venture into highsec. As for "we need lots of stuff before its good for trade and to live there". Our wormhole had no trade hub in it at all. We bring everything with us. In our old C2 there was at least 2 people who didn't even base out of a POS.
As for locking the system down. Well with only hics and interdictors, it is at least harder. Also there is a rumor that station guns may not like bubbles or bubblers. But we will have to see. Of course there is not a lot of point in doing this unless there is someone to play with. Even the f1 monkeys in the big corps get bored.
As for more stations? How many stations are in jita? I don't know, i only ever use one the very rare times i am there. Howmany of you have every used any of the other stations.
This place, and the 100 other new WH systems all sound like a lot of fun to me.
It will be a lot of fun.......for people to mess around, explore, and fight in.
It's just that CCP is hoping that it will be one of the most populated systems in space so they are making sure it has an uncrashable server. That won't happen.
They are making an exception to the no caps rule for freighters because they want it to become a trade hub. That won't happen.
The goons are going to come in and put 50 dictors at each of the 4 stations and perm camp it and blow up anyone who undocks.
Thera will be cool and it will be fun. It's just not going to be the Jita in WH space they hope it will be. The only way they will achieve their goals is to make the stations uncampable by having some station guns that shoot 500K HP damage at anything that violates a yellow safety setting within 10K of the station. If you want to make Thera a freeport, you need the 4 ports to be free. The rest of the system can be complete lawless WH space. But you have to protect the ports for docking and undocking.
I think everybody agrees with you that Thera is some very welcome and super cool new lore related content, the first in years (other than mission types and whatnot). It's a real major deal and we're all really excited. But it's not going to be one of the most populated systems in Eve rivaling Jita or anything. If they want that they need to protect the stations. |
DeadDuck
Mining Industry Exile Foundation The Camel Empire
128
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Posted - 2014.11.17 15:43:03 -
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Seems THE place to go for some pew pew. Instead of roaming around you will go there on the 1st place. |
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