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Beta Maoye
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Posted - 2014.11.20 11:25:45 -
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Thera can't be another Jita. Thera will be a nice place for explorers looking for fortune or pirates looking for ships to blow up, but it is not a place for trade.
Most people wouldn't want to move haulers packed with valuable goods through a place full of thugs and bandits. It will be asking troubles for himself. Major trading hub that most people will trade their stuffs requires a safe and easily accessible environment to exist. Thera is not such a place. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2143
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Posted - 2014.11.20 12:41:45 -
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Today there were 8 wormholes in Thera on Sisi:
2 leading to highsec 3 to lowsec 3 to nullsec
That could all change, obviously.
I wonder how we will find Thera on TQ? Until people start to actively use (open) those static connections, the only way in will be random ones, correct? I wonder how many of those will there be...
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6015
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:50:12 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Today there were 8 wormholes in Thera on Sisi:
2 leading to highsec 3 to lowsec 3 to nullsec
That could all change, obviously.
I wonder how we will find Thera on TQ? Until people start to actively use (open) those static connections, the only way in will be random ones, correct? I wonder how many of those will there be... Those 8 were the statics correct? Do you remember what systems they were connected to? As you so rightly point out this could very likely change, but I'm still curious.
If that number and the exit points don't change, that would suggest that the emphasis would be on providing movement options for Null/Low sec entities to move with/against each other more so than for travel to and from high sec, which isn't exactly what I had expected. In particular only 2 high sec statics ensures heavy camping at those locations.
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Serene Repose
1640
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Posted - 2014.11.20 16:07:34 -
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I have a theory about a theory, hypothetically speaking that is.
I'm not sayin'. I'm just SAYIN'!
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Xen Solarus
Inner 5phere Republic of the 5phere
871
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Posted - 2014.11.20 16:29:37 -
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I'm seriously considering selling my wormhole and moving there. I can see alot of opportunities for those willing to live in such a hive of scum and villainy. I also don't think it's beyond reason for a single entity to control the system, given enough players. With access to the entire galaxy, there would be significant benefits to anyone that manages to establish some sort of player-run order within Thera. Sure, they won't be able to stop anyone from entering the system, but they can certainly ensure that anyone not following their rules gets punished for violations.
Personally, I'm extremely excited.
Post with your main, like a BOSS!
And no, i don't live in highsec. -áAs if that would make your opinion any less wrong. -á
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2143
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Posted - 2014.11.20 19:26:49 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Today there were 8 wormholes in Thera on Sisi:
2 leading to highsec 3 to lowsec 3 to nullsec
That could all change, obviously.
I wonder how we will find Thera on TQ? Until people start to actively use (open) those static connections, the only way in will be random ones, correct? I wonder how many of those will there be... Those 8 were the statics correct? Do you remember what systems they were connected to? As you so rightly point out this could very likely change, but I'm still curious. If that number and the exit points don't change, that would suggest that the emphasis would be on providing movement options for Null/Low sec entities to move with/against each other more so than for travel to and from high sec, which isn't exactly what I had expected. In particular only 2 high sec statics ensures heavy camping at those locations. I'm no wormhole expert, but I assume they were the statics.
None of them were K162 - obviously, whats the chance that someone opened a WH LEADING to Thera, within the past 1-2 days, on the test server???
I also didn't try to collapse them to see if they would respawn lol.
I just checked the 3 lowsec ones, they lead to lowsec systems in Heimatar, Metropolis, Kor-Azor.
I too would love dozens of statics, but maybe CCP wants to make them camp-able, with some effort. By the way, if you're equipped to survive in Thera, you should also be capable to take a couple of jumps in lowsec to get there...
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Tsixlas
The Idiot Kings Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
0
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:14:53 -
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Try to imagine the scenario:
You are a 0.0 player and a new wormhole gives you access to Thera where you can jump and buy stuff. Expensive probably but fast. What would you do? |
The Greenmachine Greenmachine
Green's Bicycle Shop
102
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Posted - 2014.11.20 21:35:32 -
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me. im curious how the effects from the wh will affect the players willingness to accept my great deals... |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6016
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Posted - 2014.11.20 22:32:37 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Today there were 8 wormholes in Thera on Sisi:
2 leading to highsec 3 to lowsec 3 to nullsec
That could all change, obviously.
I wonder how we will find Thera on TQ? Until people start to actively use (open) those static connections, the only way in will be random ones, correct? I wonder how many of those will there be... Those 8 were the statics correct? Do you remember what systems they were connected to? As you so rightly point out this could very likely change, but I'm still curious. If that number and the exit points don't change, that would suggest that the emphasis would be on providing movement options for Null/Low sec entities to move with/against each other more so than for travel to and from high sec, which isn't exactly what I had expected. In particular only 2 high sec statics ensures heavy camping at those locations. I'm no wormhole expert, but I assume they were the statics. None of them were K162 - obviously, whats the chance that someone opened a WH LEADING to Thera, within the past 1-2 days, on the test server??? I also didn't try to collapse them to see if they would respawn lol. I just checked the 3 lowsec ones, they lead to lowsec systems in Heimatar, Metropolis, Kor-Azor. I too would love dozens of statics, but maybe CCP wants to make them camp-able, with some effort. By the way, if you're equipped to survive in Thera, you should also be capable to take a couple of jumps in lowsec to get there... Agreed, and I'm sure many will. I am equally sure that many more won't if a high sec route is at hand.
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Nightingale Actault
Big Richard Club
44
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Posted - 2014.11.20 23:55:52 -
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Clarification regarding WH statics. A static HS connection (as an example) will always be a WH leading to HS, but after the mass or time of that WH has expired, a new WH of the same type will appear at a different place in the Thera system. Once scanned down and warped to the corresponding exit k162 will then appear in a different random HS system. Setting up a trade hub in the HS connection system is not feasible as the connection to Thera will only be available from 15 minutes up to the max lifetime of that WH type (normally 16-48 hours). |
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Vapor Ventrillian
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2014.11.21 01:20:24 -
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See what Im thinken is we get as many npc's together and claim it for Npc...you aint npc ...You Dead bruh!
For Thera!!
Crazy idea no 123
o7 Vapor
The Evil Overlord of Scope, self elected as all good overlords should be
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Aaron
Eternal Frontier
159
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Posted - 2014.11.21 02:17:19 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Today there were 8 wormholes in Thera on Sisi:
2 leading to highsec 3 to lowsec 3 to nullsec
That could all change, obviously.
I wonder how we will find Thera on TQ? Until people start to actively use (open) those static connections, the only way in will be random ones, correct? I wonder how many of those will there be...
Did you check the entire system? Is it a possibility you could have missed some?
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2152
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Posted - 2014.11.21 08:15:42 -
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Aaron wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Today there were 8 wormholes in Thera on Sisi:
2 leading to highsec 3 to lowsec 3 to nullsec
That could all change, obviously.
I wonder how we will find Thera on TQ? Until people start to actively use (open) those static connections, the only way in will be random ones, correct? I wonder how many of those will there be... Did you check the entire system? Is it a possibility you could have missed some? I checked the 8 signatures that appeared on the overlay/scanner.
I believe that with current mechanics, all signatures present in the system automatically show on your overlay/scanner.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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Humera Hekard
Hekard Industries Inc.
1
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Posted - 2014.11.21 08:23:57 -
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T-Space is going to be an interesting place. :) |
tiberiusric
Comply Or Die Retribution.
190
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Posted - 2014.11.21 09:23:31 -
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its a completely stupid idea... sorry.... |
Lloyd Roses
Blue-Fire
760
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:04:36 -
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Aaron wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Today there were 8 wormholes in Thera on Sisi:
2 leading to highsec 3 to lowsec 3 to nullsec
That could all change, obviously.
I wonder how we will find Thera on TQ? Until people start to actively use (open) those static connections, the only way in will be random ones, correct? I wonder how many of those will there be... Did you check the entire system? Is it a possibility you could have missed some?
I've been scanning thera over the last week:
3 low-statics, 3 null-statics are in there, no doubt. 2 more Q063s are cruisersized holes that connect to anywhere in K-space, not necessarily though to Highsec.
2 wandering holes in highsec (one large, one frigsized) exist. 5 wandering holes in wormholes (F135) connecting to Thera exist.
Then in addition, there seems to be atleast one frigsized hole in null and one in low connecting to Thera.
People that say Thera got two highsec-statics are wrong. Thera doesn't have a highsec static. Just that one static might connect to highsec.
"I honestly thought I was in lowsec"
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2161
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Posted - 2014.11.21 20:06:08 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:Aaron wrote:Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Today there were 8 wormholes in Thera on Sisi:
2 leading to highsec 3 to lowsec 3 to nullsec
That could all change, obviously.
I wonder how we will find Thera on TQ? Until people start to actively use (open) those static connections, the only way in will be random ones, correct? I wonder how many of those will there be... Did you check the entire system? Is it a possibility you could have missed some? I've been scanning thera over the last week: 3 low-statics, 3 null-statics are in there, no doubt. 2 more Q063s are cruisersized holes that connect to anywhere in K-space, not necessarily though to Highsec. 2 wandering holes in highsec (one large, one frigsized) exist. 5 wandering holes in wormholes (F135) connecting to Thera exist. Then in addition, there seems to be atleast one frigsized hole in null and one in low connecting to Thera. People that say Thera got two highsec-statics are wrong. Thera doesn't have a highsec static. Just that one static might connect to highsec. Thanks, great info! If it stays this way on TQ, obviously...
I'm obviously clueless on wormholes lol...
Anyway, good to know about the 3 lowsec statics!
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ZAKURELL0 LINDA
Black Scorpions Inc
57
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Posted - 2014.11.22 03:22:55 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?
Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it. How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone? A couple of reasons: 1: Apparently due to sheer incredible size, and quite possibly new system mechanics, it will be difficult if not impossible to lock the system down. Too huge, too many ways in and out. 2: It's connected to... literally... everywhere. Depending on how this is handled it could be the most convenient market hub in all of New Eden. imagine JITA 5-5 being hell bubbled...... no one can ever undock unless u have massive support fleet clearing the way out for da haulers................
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Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2014.11.22 20:16:15 -
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bombs, bring more bombs ! |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1585
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Posted - 2014.11.27 03:55:13 -
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I had a look at Thera on Singularity. It is hard to see how this will turn into another Jita. Sure, the stations will be stocked but the prices will be atrocious. The connections are:
Q063 This wormhole seems to lead into high security space. Up to medium sized ships can pass through this wormhole.
V898 This wormhole seems to lead into low security space. Larger ships can pass through this wormhole.
E587 This wormhole seems to lead into null security space. Very large ships can pass through this wormhole.
Only the null E587 allows freighters through. This means that if you want to properly stock Thera with hulls you have three options:
- Fly or jump your freighter to the null entry and come in through there.
- Import hulls in a smaller industrial one at a time (for cruisers) or just fly them in manually.
- Build them in Thera (which just removes the problem one level for material importation unless you are crazy enough to try and mine in this system).
This is disappointing. I was looking forward to the challenge of stocking this system but I think the risk is too high. I donGÇÖt understand why freighters would be excluded from low and highsec connections.
Does CCP think that the risk for freighters would be too low? It will be enormous regardless of where you jump in from. At least open up the lowsec connection please.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6047
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Posted - 2014.11.27 05:07:08 -
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ZAKURELL0 LINDA wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?
Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it. How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone? A couple of reasons: 1: Apparently due to sheer incredible size, and quite possibly new system mechanics, it will be difficult if not impossible to lock the system down. Too huge, too many ways in and out. 2: It's connected to... literally... everywhere. Depending on how this is handled it could be the most convenient market hub in all of New Eden. imagine JITA 5-5 being hell bubbled...... no one can ever undock unless u have massive support fleet clearing the way out for da haulers................ Your frame of reference is off. That quote was made before we knew how many stations would be in Thera.
It now looks like Thera may be more of a transport/combat hub than a trade hub, much as Fozzie stated it would be... as Jita would be without Concord.
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
16
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Posted - 2014.11.27 09:32:48 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:ZAKURELL0 LINDA wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Ka'Narlist wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:if indeed a Jita without Concord can be controlled by one entity?
Jita means a major trade hub where everyone and their mother brings their stuff to sell it. How do you think this will happen in a system where everyone is ganking everyone? A couple of reasons: 1: Apparently due to sheer incredible size, and quite possibly new system mechanics, it will be difficult if not impossible to lock the system down. Too huge, too many ways in and out. 2: It's connected to... literally... everywhere. Depending on how this is handled it could be the most convenient market hub in all of New Eden. imagine JITA 5-5 being hell bubbled...... no one can ever undock unless u have massive support fleet clearing the way out for da haulers................ Your frame of reference is off. That quote was made before we knew how many stations would be in Thera. It now looks like Thera may be more of a transport/combat hub than a trade hub, much as Fozzie stated it would be... as Jita would be without Concord.
seriosuly? ... you think a couple more stations will make a difference to Alliances that field 1,000+ players? That live in systems with high populations ... entirely their own?
You think there is a difference between 1 and 4 stations?
20, maybe ... but not a handful. lol
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Tarpedo
Incursionista
1411
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Posted - 2014.11.27 10:01:19 -
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I won't move to There. Boring scan mini-game is killing everything. |
Signal11th
1470
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Posted - 2014.11.27 12:10:32 -
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tiberiusric wrote:its a completely stupid idea... sorry....
Have to agree.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
5026
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Posted - 2014.11.27 14:51:05 -
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Leannor wrote:seriosuly? ... you think a couple more stations will make a difference to Alliances that field 1,000+ players? That live in systems with high populations ... entirely their own?
You think there is a difference between 1 and 4 stations?
20, maybe ... but not a handful. lol But the way the system is laid out, you'd need that alliance to dedicate most of its manpower to permacamping the four stations and all the wormholes and not to something like, say, holding conventional nullsec territory. What exact benefit are you then getting from camping Thera 24/7?
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
19
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Posted - 2014.11.27 15:21:04 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Leannor wrote:seriosuly? ... you think a couple more stations will make a difference to Alliances that field 1,000+ players? That live in systems with high populations ... entirely their own?
You think there is a difference between 1 and 4 stations?
20, maybe ... but not a handful. lol But the way the system is laid out, you'd need that alliance to dedicate most of its manpower to permacamping the four stations and all the wormholes and not to something like, say, holding conventional nullsec territory. What exact benefit are you then getting from camping Thera 24/7?
er ... if it's your base ... you'd not camp the enterances, granted ... but the stations, you would (and you only need to cover one of the two anyway to make it an unviable nuetral trade hub)... and ... why else does anyone blob a system in eve? ... to own it.. there's rarel;y any rationale reason besides that.
besides ... you don't need to perma'camp' it ... threat is enough. How many people don't undock if there's a single red in system? ... like I say ... not a viable nuetral trade hub. That's easy to happen for an allaince basing out of there. 100+ in system is all the camp you need, don't matter where they are, or cloaked, or docked, ... hub relies on traffic flow, and that just wouldn't happen to any industrialist. (import export wise) ...
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9093
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Posted - 2014.11.27 15:22:05 -
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The real truth is that no one knows what will happen with Thera, and speculating about it this much is rather stupid. |
Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
19
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Posted - 2014.11.27 15:53:11 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The real truth is that no one knows what will happen with Thera, and speculating about it this much is rather stupid.
assessing what we know, isn't . That's all I'm doing :) Based on what they have said and their spoken intent.
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Kaye Kaye
Mining and Trade
0
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Posted - 2014.11.27 17:42:25 -
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I am brand new, but can't see how this will be any type of trade hub. Seems like it will be NPC Null Sec without Local, with perma camped stations.
Pass. |
Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
22
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Posted - 2014.11.28 09:09:13 -
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Kaye Kaye wrote:I am brand new, but can't see how this will be any type of trade hub. Seems like it will be NPC Null Sec without Local, with perma camped stations.
Pass... seems more like a place to have big PVP battles though.
This much is true. And why it is not a bad idea. I'm not against this idea in anyway, all for new space and new toys. All I challenge at the moment is that it's said it will be a trade hub. If it is destined to be a trade hub, maybe the comments of logic will help it actually become a trade hub. Firstly, a tonne more stations (think Ammamake? that lo-sec system in minnie space with like 30,000 stations), 'and' some kind of station fighting nerf (be it guns, or range, or timer guns, or something) and some bonus to the WH's - maybe ... that cloakble ships don't need to de-cloak after jumping into system? That together with station guns, no bubbles, and access from across eve directly, would create a trade hub.
Of course ... I'll admit one thing actually. Trade hub. Funny. That doesn't actually specifiy 'what' is being traded .... one just assumes it's 'everything'. Could just be the control choke point of trdaing a certain sleeper or Jove technololgy. In which case, that is a very BIG reason why alliances will want to dominate it. Anyway ... what's the point of living if you can't specualte and gossip and imagine. Life would be very dull ... and no one would have said "Crazy idea guys, what about getting loads of people to pay for a game where they fly around in ships and blow each other up ..."
(yeah, that's been said better too ... the whole "EVE, the experiment where people pay to have a job" )
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