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Jvpiter
Jovelike
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:55:56 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:It isn't something that would be found in an autopsy. And the secular answer, as I assume that is all that you care for, would be that it is determined by how one conducts themselves in their lives, how one attains fulfillment, higher purpose, inner peace. Andesh, as it is called in Matari.
Asceticism is a greater path to spiritual fulfillment than the hedonistic lifestyle lead by most capsuleers. Most capsuleers, in fact, by virtue of having all those things you listed, all those worldly mortal pleasures, are more mortal than any baseliner.
The hedonist claims their nirvana is in the act of sex and their spiral of decadence. As my experience with sexuality is limited, and not of particular interest to me, who am I to argue?
You say I am spiritually bankrupt because I would put entire populations to fire, or demand tribute and worship. You say that the path of charity and the life of a hermit is virtuous. I have no doubt your total conviction in this belief, and who am I to argue?
Capsuleers have no predators in the natural cycle. Capsuleers are not bound by time, death, resources, numbers, or any variables that mortals are imprisoned by. We are only bound by each other.
God is in technology, and technology flows through my veins. A God stirs inside me and animates my bones. Who are you to argue?
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4132
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:57:27 -
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I choose to suborn myself to an idea, to something greater than a baseliner, greater than a single world, greater than a single capsuleer.
In the name of that idea, I do all that Mizhara reminds us that we can do, and more. In the service of that idea I spend all the resources that Jvpiter mentions, and more. Who is more powerful, me or the idea?
That which makes a human superhuman is not their power, it is how far they are willing to go to transcend the limits of the human. If you are simply a human, with all the human frailties, appetites and fears turned up to eleven, how impressive are you, really?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
71
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Posted - 2014.11.13 16:06:44 -
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Iliyan Vertai wrote:On the contrary, this obsession with measuring your own power is petty, needless, and self-absorbed. It is only when capsuleers get over themselves that they can begin to make authentic contributions to what they are loyal to.
What you do with your immortal time is your business. If you want to argue parliamentary measures and voting circuits and pension rights for the infirm or the injured, feel free to do so. Don't expect me to take any interest in your rather pedantic and supremely boring hobby.
You want to live like you walk on two legs with a fist-sized brain inside your skull, like the unevolved and near-apelike throngs crowding our planets, do feel free to do so. It is in your power to choose even so banal an existence.
My eyes are wide open, and my ascent is tied to the stars. You may join me at any time. When your vision is clear of the clouds of petty mortal affairs, the beauty of existence alone can bring tears of joy.
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:04:42 -
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Whom or what we are will be determined by the beholders of our deeds and the inheritors of our legacies.
To assume otherwise is ultimately fallacious.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
71
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:20:20 -
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How does someone inherit anything from someone who lives forever?
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4134
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:24:59 -
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Jvpiter wrote:
How does someone inherit anything from someone who lives forever?
Are you no more than the sum of your assets? How sad.
Our legacies are more than isk and objects. They reside in our contributions to the wider community.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
71
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:36:09 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Are you no more than the sum of your assets? How sad.
Our legacies are more than isk and objects. They reside in our contributions to the wider community.
Pieter,
I don't happen to be the one in a fancy tailored coat. Was it a nice purchase? Did you admire yourself before the mirror? Most certainly you did.
I am as interested in assets as I would be in the mortals I so deride, which is not at all. What I'm interested in is being my own judge, to be judged only by peers who are stuck in the same cage of immortality that I am. You can call this a community, if you'd like, but we are hardly co-residents in an impoverished complex who bake each other cookies and pass the sugar. Our community is passionate and violent, the lengths and breadths of which exceed The State from which I originated, or any others like it.
The so-called others who may feel the impact of my actions? How much time do you spend on the impact you have to the bacteria residing on your jacket?
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Anslo
Scope Works
21243
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:39:43 -
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You're kind of a doucher dude.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
71
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:46:22 -
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Cultural victory.
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Anslo
Scope Works
21244
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:47:19 -
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What culture?
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:58:00 -
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Anslo wrote:What culture? The "I'm immortal so long as CONCORD dosen't push a button and kill me, theirfore I am a God" culture. I believe we have seen this crop up a number of times here... |
Anslo
Scope Works
21244
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:04:15 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Anslo wrote:What culture? The "I'm immortal so long as CONCORD dosen't push a button and kill me, theirfore I am a God" culture. I believe we have seen this crop up a number of times here... You. I like you. You want a job?
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:11:51 -
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Anslo wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Anslo wrote:What culture? The "I'm immortal so long as CONCORD dosen't push a button and kill me, theirfore I am a God" culture. I believe we have seen this crop up a number of times here... You. I like you. You want a job? I may be open fo employment at the moment. |
Anslo
Scope Works
21244
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:14:02 -
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We'll talk.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:27:58 -
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Anslo wrote: You. I like you. You want a job?
Wow Mister Anslo! How do you manage to maintain your journalistic integrity and still recruit potential journalists from the street? You just give out jobs like they are going out of style!
You must be a really good boss! |
Anslo
Scope Works
21246
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:28:32 -
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No I am the worst CEO ever
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:34:47 -
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And modest too! Amazing! No wonder Mister Yaken works for you. |
Anslo
Scope Works
21246
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:35:32 -
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No I'm not joking I am literally the single worst CEO to ever CEO what the hell I don't even
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:47:15 -
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Anslo wrote:No I'm not joking I am literally the single worst CEO to ever CEO what the hell I don't even well, this promises to be an entertaining excursion already.... |
Anslo
Scope Works
21250
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:50:20 -
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Oh Gods
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4138
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Posted - 2014.11.13 19:41:12 -
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Jvpiter wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Are you no more than the sum of your assets? How sad.
Our legacies are more than isk and objects. They reside in our contributions to the wider community. Pieter, I don't happen to be the one in a fancy tailored coat. Was it a nice purchase? Did you admire yourself before the mirror? Most certainly you did. I am as interested in assets as I would be in the mortals I so deride, which is not at all. What I'm interested in is being my own judge, to be judged only by peers who are stuck in the same cage of immortality that I am. You can call this a community, if you'd like, but we are hardly co-residents in an impoverished complex who bake each other cookies and pass the sugar. Our community is passionate and violent, the lengths and breadths of which exceed The State from which I originated, or any others like it. The so-called others who may feel the impact of my actions? How much time do you spend on the impact you have to the bacteria residing on your jacket?
It was an excellent purchase, very expensive but worth every isk. I bought it because, not only is the tailoring flattering, but my wife likes the way I look in it. The community of my fellow combat-pilots have also been complimentary and I enjoy the nods of recognition and respect that it brings when I walk amongst my fellow citizens.
I regularly cook for my wife, amusingly enough. I do not do this because we are too poor to afford an Executive Chef, but for other reasons that are, perhaps, incomprehensible or unnatural to you. I am aware that I am life and death to thousands - simply looking at those I employ directly or command, indirectly. In the past I have brought an ugly and violent death to many - the crews of well over a thousand capsuleer piloted ships - I like to think I have preserved more life than I have stolen, but there are dark nights when I'm no longer sure. Every single one of both sets of people have mattered - from the pirates right through to the Federal Navy crews.
What was your point?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
73
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Posted - 2014.11.13 19:53:10 -
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Pieter,
Indeed, cooking is incomprehensible to me. The liquid I inject directly into my bloodstream cycles across my taste buds, vestigial organs to me, and it tastes vaguely coppery. I often stare at the same metal bulkhead during my daily nutrition intake ritual.
There is a certain warmth to the way you describe what might be a bonding moment with your family. I find it to be a fascinating mental picture. I will contemplate upon your opinion, and educate myself further of this side of life to which I have no exposure.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4138
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Posted - 2014.11.13 19:54:40 -
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Jvpiter wrote:
Pieter,
Indeed, cooking is incomprehensible to me. The liquid I inject directly into my bloodstream cycles across my taste buds, vestigial organs to me, and it tastes vaguely coppery. I often stare at the same metal bulkhead during my daily nutrition intake ritual.
There is a certain warmth to the way you describe what might be a bonding moment with your family. I find it to be a fascinating mental picture. I will contemplate upon your opinion, and educate myself further of this side of life to which I have no exposure.
As a tubeborn creche-child, I have had to learn almost every aspect of family life as I go. I've found the effort rewarding, in my particular situation. It is also true that it provides great motivation and inspiration in times of difficulty.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
42
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:14:03 -
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Just pick a family with care. There are... interesting consequences if you misjudge people. |
Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:56:44 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Just pick a family with care. There are... interesting consequences if you misjudge people. to say the least. and even if you judge correctly there will still be, uh, moments... |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws.
4140
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Posted - 2014.11.14 05:11:30 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Just pick a family with care. There are... interesting consequences if you misjudge people. to say the least. and even if you judge correctly there will still be, uh, moments... I call those moments "Life"
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.11.14 05:17:15 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Just pick a family with care. There are... interesting consequences if you misjudge people. to say the least. and even if you judge correctly there will still be, uh, moments... I call those moments "Life" Lifes a ***** sometimes...... |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
349
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Posted - 2014.11.14 06:13:33 -
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Pilot Jvpiter,
I've been observing your responses in the various threads on this forum for a few days now, and I must comment, I find your choice of naming for your personal corporation, as well as your fairly blunt reference to the same earlier in this topic, to be rather odd.
You appear to idolize and aspire to emulate the Jove rather then "normal" human beings, but the qualities you seem to espouse as indicative of your inherent superiority to others and your elevation towards "Godhood" - Your lack of empathy and apparent pride in the killing of others, your self-centric worldview, your lack of interest in mortal pleasures - Are, with the possible exception of the third, ones they would very likely hold in considerable contempt.
From all we know about them, the Jove were a very community oriented society, particularly in their later years. Individuals would be encouraged to and quite freely sacrifice themselves, even in ways their myriad means of achieving functional immortality could not reverse, in order the combat the obstacles of their community as a whole, most recently the disease ravaging their society. Further, vicious or unsociably selfish behaviour was extremely discouraged, and much the ability to perform it was even genetically removed. I'm certain you've heard of the Academy of Aggressive Behaviour.
And of course, numerous sources (most obviously the fact that we have the hydrostatic Capsule and modern cloning at all) suggest they had no cultural imperative towards hoarding their advantages for themselves so that they might sneer at lesser "foreign" beings in contempt. Rather, it seems the inverse was true. Especially amongst their own kind, but even beyond that, they sought to bring unison in being and supreme quality of life to all... Which seems to be quite the opposite of your own attitude towards baseliners.
In short, if copying their success is your goal, you are doing a frankly poor job of it.
As a bit of friendly advice, I would suggest you revise your attitude a little and perhaps aim to gain some humility. Try to, as you perceive it, to lower yourself to the levels of others occasionally, and consider the impact you make in the communities all around as you go about your business. You never know. You might find it brings you advantages, or if nothing else, is surprisingly fulfilling.
You are a novice - Or I presume so, considering your ID - and I see many individuals with your attitude amongst novices, so it is understandable you feel the way you do. But you should beware. You seem very confident in your immortality, but to be quite frank, I have observed that the pilots who make the least friends and are the most certain of their eternity find it to be quite uncharacteristically short.
If not from the hands of others, then their own. And if that does make sense to you already, then it soon will. |
Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
90
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Posted - 2014.11.14 06:46:40 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:As a tubeborn creche-child, I have had to learn almost every aspect of family life as I go. I've found the effort rewarding, in my particular situation. It is also true that it provides great motivation and inspiration in times of difficulty. He is the best big little cousin ever.
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:I must comment.
As a bit of friendly advice, I would suggest you revise your attitude a little and perhaps aim to gain some humility. Is that so? |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
349
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Posted - 2014.11.14 06:56:05 -
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Kohiko Sun wrote:Is that so?
Miss Sun,
If you wish to be critical of my rant, please say it plainly; I am young, and too stupid to understand subtle jabs. |
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