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Ryomaru Reaper
One Killing Machine
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:37:29 -
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I am quite confused, as to whether this program is allowed or not.
Read posts saying it's against EULA, and posts that say otherwise. The reason why'd I ask this is, I am quite the new player, I am in a clan, and a buddy told me this would be nice to have.
But, I really would love to know if this gets me in trouble, cause I'd rather not get into any trouble :)
Thanks in advance <3 |
Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
12902
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:38:39 -
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Using EVEMon is a bannable offense. Definitely petition anyone you know who's using it.
Bacon makes us stronger
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7174
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:39:34 -
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https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6765
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:41:06 -
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Eve mon is a trusted 3rd party application. It is very useful.
Useful 3rd Party applications |
Ryomaru Reaper
One Killing Machine
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:44:05 -
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This is what confuses me, for every person saying no, there's a person saying yes. Isn't there a CCP official stance reference to read, or anything really :)
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Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
88200
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:44:44 -
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Carmen Electra wrote:Using EVEMon is a bannable offense. Definitely petition anyone you know who's using it.
You should feel terrible for that.
Troll.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7174
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:46:59 -
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Ryomaru Reaper wrote:This is what confuses me, for every person saying no, there's a person saying yes. Isn't there a CCP official stance reference to read, or anything really :)
I would think having an open and ongoing thread for it specifically in these very forums (for the last 3 years) would be all the endorsement required.
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:48:17 -
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Unfortunately there no official Dev post to clarify the legality of EVEMon's cache scraping features, but I've linked you the next best thing.
A Tippia post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2900614#post2900614
Most EVE players use EVEMon. Do not worry.
E: Dev post further below in thread indirectly confirms no EULA issue with EVEMon: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2900665#post2900665 |
Paranoid Loyd
2581
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:48:46 -
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Ryomaru Reaper wrote:This is what confuses me, for every person saying no, there's a person saying yes. Isn't there a CCP official stance reference to read, or anything really :)
Welcome to the meta game. EveMon is fine, do you think they would let a thread stay open for 2+ years if it was not OK to use it?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10586
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:51:56 -
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If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating, you sure as hell will not get banned for EVE Mon, which is not.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Ryomaru Reaper
One Killing Machine
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:54:35 -
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Quite, would agree with that. But I've heard about weirder things happening, hehe.
I just want to be sure you know, I am a fair player, enjoy the games that I play, and in 12 years of gaming, never have been banned on any game so far.
I'd like to stay what I'd call a "ban-virgin" I like this game, thanks for all your replies :) |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4326
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Posted - 2014.11.12 23:56:21 -
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I run EVEmon with the market scraping disabled, because I'm paranoid.
I've been using EVEmon for probably 5 years(?).
When in doubt about such legality questions, petition, but you are likely to get a non-specific answer.
Note that CCP knows about EVEmon, and has worked with the developers to make sure EVEmon doesn't kill the API server, as it is a very popular application EVEmon even behaves and identifies itself to the API server. I seem to recall some devs posting that they use it too, but I can't find the links at the moment. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
24504
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:02:47 -
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6796
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:46:35 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating,
Every time I read your posts I get a headache from rolling my eyes so much.
OP, cheating is not what forum whiners say, it's what CCP says. And CCP is fine with Evemon and many other third party programs. There's a list of approved third party tools somewhere around here. Doc will link you to it, if he hasn't already.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2527
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Posted - 2014.11.13 01:26:35 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating, Every time I read your posts I get a headache from rolling my eyes so much. OP, cheating is not what forum whiners say, it's what CCP says. And CCP is fine with Evemon and many other third party programs. There's a list of approved third party tools somewhere around here. Doc will link you to it, if he hasn't already. Mr Epeen Yes, but on this matter (isboxer) ccp is wrong. |
Serene Repose
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Posted - 2014.11.13 02:43:51 -
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What posts say EVEMon is against the EULA?? Never in my life have I ever seen such a thing. Point them out to me! Why I'll just ... *has catatonic fit*
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17601
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:10:58 -
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Ive been banned for a lot of things. Using Evemon wasn't one of them.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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stoicfaux
5409
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Posted - 2014.11.13 03:37:56 -
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If people had to choose between EveMon and playing EVE, well, I think we all know what that choice would be...
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
196
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Posted - 2014.11.13 04:27:38 -
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Any third party program that doesn't interact with the client or its files is fine. This makes the only iffy part about EVEMon the cache scraping feature, and you can turn that off.
Alt of [redacted on advice from a reputable internet spaceships lawyer]
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Jurico Elemenohpe
Laughing Coffin's
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:17:21 -
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Yeah, well, evecentral (and other market data sites) would've shut down by now if they hadn't "allowed" it as seen here, because they rely on market data gotten by cache scraping. |
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Jurico Elemenohpe
Laughing Coffin's
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:20:47 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating, Every time I read your posts I get a headache from rolling my eyes so much. OP, cheating is not what forum whiners say, it's what CCP says. And CCP is fine with Evemon and many other third party programs. There's a list of approved third party tools somewhere around here. Doc will link you to it, if he hasn't already. Mr Epeen Yes, but on this matter (isboxer) ccp is wrong. Uh. It might be wrong in your mind, but it's their game. They're not going to eliminate multiboxer unless there's a really good reason, because it would screw up plex prices. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
857
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:32:33 -
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Ryomaru Reaper wrote:This is what confuses me, for every person saying no, there's a person saying yes. Isn't there a CCP official stance reference to read, or anything really :)
CCP can be confusing at times. You'll get used to it. It's all part of htfu.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
5979
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Posted - 2014.11.13 05:43:38 -
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CCP is indeed rather fond of hedging their bets on such matters. They often say "Technically this thing is against our policies, but as long as you don't use it in a way that crosses certain lines we'll let it slide".
It lets the public do their thing fairly freely, but for those that try to slip between the cracks and use such things to gain an unfair advantage it allows CCP to retain their ability to crack down if necessary.
Programs that cache scrape "could" be used to do some things CCP would rather you not do, but most 3rd party developers don't go down that path. If CCP officially stated that cache scraping was totally fine, it would open up a lot of loopholes that they would rather be able to close in specific cases.
The same can be said for programs like IS Boxer which has components which "could" be used for more than simply making it easier to multibox.
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KalaaZero
The Northerners Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:13:41 -
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When the day comes and CCP starts banning players for using EVEMon then i will eat my dirty socks. Fly safe. |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
374
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:29:34 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating, you sure as hell will not get banned for EVE Mon, which is not.
Not really in the EULA sense, what it does is that it allows everyone to do the same multibox setup as they guy with 24 monitors with 24 mouse ducktaped together. So no as long as you're actually on the keyboard, not that I'm happy about the widespread use of ISboxer either. |
shimiku
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
23
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:56:11 -
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if you could get banned from using evemon i gues around 50% of the players will get banned |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2529
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Posted - 2014.11.13 09:38:45 -
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Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If they won't ban people for ISBoxer, which is actually cheating, Every time I read your posts I get a headache from rolling my eyes so much. OP, cheating is not what forum whiners say, it's what CCP says. And CCP is fine with Evemon and many other third party programs. There's a list of approved third party tools somewhere around here. Doc will link you to it, if he hasn't already. Mr Epeen Yes, but on this matter (isboxer) ccp is wrong. Uh. It might be wrong in your mind, but it's their game. They're not going to eliminate multiboxer unless there's a really good reason, because it would screw up plex prices. They're wrong because certain playstyles (e.g. bomber piloting) which at one point involved a great deal of social interaction and player coordination have now been reduced to the automation of 7+ characters by an individual.
I don't dislike isboxer because it gives an unfair advantage; I dislike it because it significantly curtailed one of my favorite activities in eve by allowing for it's automation by a single player - which runs contrary to the spirit of eve: that social interaction is paramount. |
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CCP Goliath
C C P C C P Alliance
2591
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Posted - 2014.11.13 10:35:13 -
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Don't know the first thing about bannings and such, but I use EVEMon and think it's really great! Also my brother is called Jimi, and every time EVEMon updates I think of him
CCP Goliath | QA Director | EVE Illuminati | @CCP_Goliath
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Luscius Uta
114
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Posted - 2014.11.13 11:10:53 -
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[quote=Jurico ElemenohpeThey're not going to eliminate multiboxer unless there's a really good reason, because it would screw up plex prices.[/quote]
Are you assuming that plex prices aren't screwed up like right now?
Highsec sucks.
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Jurico Elemenohpe
Laughing Coffin's
3
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Posted - 2014.11.13 11:35:14 -
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Luscius Uta wrote:Jurico Elemenohpe wrote:They're not going to eliminate multiboxer unless there's a really good reason, because it would screw up plex prices. Are you assuming that plex prices aren't screwed up like right now? 50% increase over a year isn't that bad. It's what happens when demand goes up. Demand going up for plex is good. |
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