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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5558
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:51:28 -
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sereneabt wrote:We from CODE are looking forward to this System. As your loyal servants we take it upon ourselves to police this new frontier. You should secure your permit in advance if you wish to enjoy our protection.
As long as you understand that there is no CONCORD to protect you in w-space, you'll be just fine. Make sure you understand how to defend yourself from targets that shoot back, and you will also want to acquaint yourselves with the mechanics of warp disruption bubbles. Remember that the folks who already live in w-space are used to shooting at things that shoot back, and they are not averse to shooting first.
TL;DR:
- No CONCORD to protect you
- Targets will shoot you first
- Targets will prefer to shoot you rather than pay a permit fee (see first two points)
- Warp disruption fields
GL, HF!
Day 0 Advice for New Players
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Tarpedo
Incursionista
1400
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:58:30 -
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Very nice addition to the game. Now (with shutdown of Dust and WoD development) there is hope for more and interesting territorial expansions (including maybe even WiS).
However I'll wait for a space where there will be no scanning mini-game - because it sucks badly. Or till it will be replaced with some sort of automated process (deploy-able automatic scanner for example). |
Longdrinks
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
132
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:00:00 -
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Gogela wrote:Wow. Only 4 stations. Did not see that coming.
This pretty much renders the system useless for most capsuleers. You don't think the Goons or PL or any other major alliance can indefinitely lock down 4 stations?
They can. They will.
Super disappointed there. It's just a toy for alliance combat. You've locked out everyone else who would have an interest in going, which is to say, most players.
I guess the rest of us will just have to wait for you to figure it out.
WTF CCP? What are you thinking? Surely you've thought about this... what do YOU think is going to happen? People live with this in npc nullsec every day but we also have anchorable bubbles. Maybe you should git good? |
Red Teufel
Mafia Redux Irresponsible Use of Capital.
396
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:06:55 -
[124] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Wow. Only 4 stations. Did not see that coming.
This pretty much renders the system useless for most capsuleers. You don't think the Goons or PL or any other major alliance can indefinitely lock down 4 stations?
They can. They will.
Super disappointed there. It's just a toy for alliance combat. You've locked out everyone else who would have an interest in going, which is to say, most players.
I guess the rest of us will just have to wait for you to figure it out.
WTF CCP? What are you thinking? Surely you've thought about this... what do YOU think is going to happen?
Exactly my thoughts. I think CCP decided over half of the eve community wants to use it so they had to limit the station use. because why on earth would a pvper want to live anywhere else. literally all of eve will now become your back yard to pick fights and gank ratters. |
Eessi
Murderous Inc
20
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:08:01 -
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Scan statics from Thera on sisi:
3x Outgoing low sec connections (wormhole id V898): Battleships can pass through
3x Null sec exit (wormhole id E587): Frieghters can pass through but not carriers.
2x High sec outgoing conenctions wormhole id Q063): Only Battlecruisers and below can pass through.
1x High sec k162
3x k162 connections to c1-3
3x k162 connections to c4-5 |
Ghelisis Achasse
Scope Works
19
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:10:29 -
[126] - Quote
I think I know where they are going with this, storylinewise. Lets look at this. "The Sanctuary" is the "center of the science research the Sisters are undertaking on the EVE gate." In the storyline, the Sisters have been studying the Gate in the New Eden system for a while now.
So, what is Thera? Thera is HUGE storylinewise, because it is simply THE SYSTEM ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE EVE GATE, and the Shattered systems are systems that are close to Thera physically, showcasing the extreme power of the Eve Gate megahole explosion. The Sisters found Thera accidentally on one of their trips through a random wormhole, and built stations there to study the anomaly from the OTHER side. This will be HUGE, and if it is true, more fuel to the fire that W-space is ACTUALLY the Milky Way galaxy post Eve Gate explosion.
amirite Devs? :D |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3264
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:13:08 -
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Longdrinks wrote:Gogela wrote:Wow. Only 4 stations. Did not see that coming.
This pretty much renders the system useless for most capsuleers. You don't think the Goons or PL or any other major alliance can indefinitely lock down 4 stations?
They can. They will.
Super disappointed there. It's just a toy for alliance combat. You've locked out everyone else who would have an interest in going, which is to say, most players.
I guess the rest of us will just have to wait for you to figure it out.
WTF CCP? What are you thinking? Surely you've thought about this... what do YOU think is going to happen? People live with this in npc nullsec every day but we also have anchorable bubbles. Maybe you should git good? Maybe you should git clue. This isn't like fountain. I've lived in Fountain and it's doable. Somedays you get to play and some days you need to stay the hell out of fountain. ...but what unique properties does fountain have? Why would people want to even be out there? How many NPC stations are there in nullsec across all regions? In fountain if it's bad in A1CON go to WY or Serpentis Prime or YZ or other systems. There's room to move around. There's also a lot less draw to A1CON. What if A1CON was the ONLY system in nullsec with NPC stations. It would be totally unusable... and that's without anything particularly awesome about the system. Thera will be forever camped. There'll be at minimum 30 Onyx/Broadsword on undock 23/7. "git good"? If there's one thing I'm good at it's not PvP... it's getting away. There's no getting away from this. This system is useless if you aren't in a major alliance. Full stop. |
Lord Battlestar
Faulcon de Lazy
190
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:13:41 -
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I really like the idea, but I would make a caviat that says that all bubbles should be banned, because even with the size all it would take is a fleet of bored nullsec or lowsec players to camp most if not all of the wormholes to highsec. If they were banned it would still allow local disruption and wormhole camps but not hictors sitting around with 24 km bubbles with their support blocking every wormhole lol.
I once podded myself by blowing a huge fart.
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Arec Bardwin
1610
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:16:54 -
[129] - Quote
Thera looks interesting. Tough I'm afraid the population will be all wolves and no sheep. |
Crasniya
Strange Energy The Bastion
546
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:20:14 -
[130] - Quote
Deacon Abox wrote:Will these Thera stations finally have windows? because otherwise just boring station games.
This would require that anyone at CCP realize how crucial Walking in Stations is to the survival of their game. :/
Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - [email protected]
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Lamthara Lachesis
Emporio Amarr
22
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:22:22 -
[131] - Quote
This is what i was really looking for since the Apocrypha expansion... more wormholes to play with.
Moreover the idea of a huge wormhole space that works like a hub for the other wormholes is very interesting. I'm looking forward to docking in the SOE station... |
Crasniya
Strange Energy The Bastion
546
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:23:26 -
[132] - Quote
Tarpedo wrote:Very nice addition to the game. Now (with shutdown of Dust and WoD development) there is hope for more and interesting territorial expansions (including maybe even WiS).
Um... DUST just got a huge content patch. o_o
Soraya Xel - Council of Planetary Management 1 - [email protected]
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Emiko Rowna
Aliastra Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:29:20 -
[133] - Quote
No Agents yet but will there be a place to spend LP? |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:34:33 -
[134] - Quote
fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles
perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2518
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:34:51 -
[135] - Quote
To help prevent the stations from being perma-camped death traps you could enable the station guns, this would help prevent undock shenanigans. They are operated by the sisters of eve they should at least care enough to not promote constant violence on there front door.
An idea from the test server feedback thread is to remove the Guest List from the stations.
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Horus V
The Destined Drunken Hyena Association
97
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:38:13 -
[136] - Quote
342 AU and the sun will have exact same size no metter where you are
V
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Arec Bardwin
1610
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:40:30 -
[137] - Quote
Horus V wrote:342 AU and the sun will have exact same size no metter where you are Yeah! That's the one thing that always bugged me about EVE. It would be SO awesome if star size and light scaled with distance.
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:45:05 -
[138] - Quote
lmao at everyone wanting thera to be wormhole lowsec |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3264
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:45:59 -
[139] - Quote
Promiscuous Female wrote:fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles
perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these It doesn't matter. I know a thing or two about this. It's worse than a gate camp because at least there they don't know where you're going to spawn around the gate. Even so, when a major alliance camps a gate having a cloaky nullified T3 or interceptor doesn't matter. They sensor boost the hell out of the tacklers, fill the 20km around the gate with drones and cans, have a sniper fleet around the perimeter, and bring the DPS to vaporize a titan on a shuttle. It's very difficult to get away in those situations... not impossible, but very difficult. A station camp is different. In addition to the above, they bring an absolute wall of bumper ships. The instant out warp point trick wouldn't work even if you could manage to set a bookmark. You undock in one place. They know exactly where your ship will be. While this can be much more effectively done with far fewer ships than the gate camp I described, expect far more ships. More sensor boosting, more debris, more drones, more DPS, more bumpers, and more science. For the average pod seeing the super-pro groups in EvE work is extremely rare if they've ever seen it at all. Their EvE game is so tight it holds water. When you see them clash it's pretty amazing... but you don't want to be in that system. You wouldn't survive a minute. |
Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
167
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:50:56 -
[140] - Quote
Thera seems really interesting. I don't know about the expectation that it will be one of the busiest systems in Eve. It's a testament to CCP's commitment to the flavor and depth of the Eve Universe in their continuing commitment to new art, diverse environments, and rich lore. Eve's player base, however, seems completely uninterested in lore, role-play, or anything beyond flavorless making of ISK, collecting kill mails, etc. Not that this is bad, mind you. I play Eve because of the strategy and sport as well as the complexity of industry. Whether Thera actually catches on will be more a matter of how the mechanics support player interaction than the fact that it is really freaking cool, though.
The new wormhole types, on the other hand, are sure to generate a lot of interest, basically returning wormholes to what CCP had originally intended for them: places you go, not live, and places where you are presented with fights against unexpected foes rather than places where you set up a base and roll the hole until you find someone you want to fight. This addition is absolutely excellent. |
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Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:53:11 -
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Gogela wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles
perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these It doesn't matter. I know a thing or two about this. It's worse than a gate camp because at least there they don't know where you're going to spawn around the gate. Even so, when a major alliance camps a gate having a cloaky nullified T3 or interceptor doesn't matter. They sensor boost the hell out of the tacklers, fill the 20km around the gate with drones and cans, have a sniper fleet around the perimeter, and bring the DPS to vaporize a titan on a shuttle. It's very difficult to get away in those situations... not impossible, but very difficult. A station camp is different. In addition to the above, they bring an absolute wall of bumper ships. The instant out warp point trick wouldn't work even if you could manage to set a bookmark. You undock in one place. They know exactly where your ship will be. While this can be much more effectively done with far fewer ships than the gate camp I described, expect far more ships. More sensor boosting, more debris, more drones, more DPS, more bumpers, and more science. For the average pod seeing the super-pro groups in EvE work is extremely rare if they've ever seen it at all. Their EvE game is so tight it holds water. When you see them clash it's pretty amazing... but you don't want to be in that system. You wouldn't survive a minute. this is a pretty impressive vignette but really the only people who can pull this sort of thing off all the time is us
everyone else has insufficient people to manage a 24/7 hellcamp
and whoops the system is inside a wormhole, disallowing infinite backup
heck if the stations themselves lack cloning then when you pop a nerd, he is hurtling back to k-space
realistically you are looking at a few dudes camping the system, then them taffing off when they get bored or have to sleep
you having a vignette built up in your mind about how things are based on stories you heard once does not give ccp a reason to make thera wormhole lowsec |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:09:32 -
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really, these sorts of posts highlight a disturbing trend on the eve-o forums
posters who harbor personal feelings about a topic, typically derived from misinformation and simple lack of domain knowledge of the topics of which they speak, attempt to dilute or otherwise willfully degrade a new feature by crafting a vignette which, while might be true or possibe in its ludicrous framing, simply does not reflect reality
trying to pre-compensate for these vignettes is the height of folly and is a hallmark of poor decision making and poor critical thinking skills |
Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3264
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:11:23 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Gogela wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles
perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these It doesn't matter. I know a thing or two about this. It's worse than a gate camp because at least there they don't know where you're going to spawn around the gate. Even so, when a major alliance camps a gate having a cloaky nullified T3 or interceptor doesn't matter. They sensor boost the hell out of the tacklers, fill the 20km around the gate with drones and cans, have a sniper fleet around the perimeter, and bring the DPS to vaporize a titan on a shuttle. It's very difficult to get away in those situations... not impossible, but very difficult. A station camp is different. In addition to the above, they bring an absolute wall of bumper ships. The instant out warp point trick wouldn't work even if you could manage to set a bookmark. You undock in one place. They know exactly where your ship will be. While this can be much more effectively done with far fewer ships than the gate camp I described, expect far more ships. More sensor boosting, more debris, more drones, more DPS, more bumpers, and more science. For the average pod seeing the super-pro groups in EvE work is extremely rare if they've ever seen it at all. Their EvE game is so tight it holds water. When you see them clash it's pretty amazing... but you don't want to be in that system. You wouldn't survive a minute. this is a pretty impressive vignette but really the only people who can pull this sort of thing off all the time is us everyone else has insufficient people to manage a 24/7 hellcamp and whoops the system is inside a wormhole, disallowing infinite backup heck if the stations themselves lack cloning then when you pop a nerd, he is hurtling back to k-space realistically you are looking at a few dudes camping the system, then them taffing off when they get bored or have to sleep you having a vignette built up in your mind about how things are based on stories you heard once does not give ccp a reason to make thera wormhole lowsec Look, I have a lot of respect for what you guys can pull off... and I think you are selling yourself short when you imply that this would be difficult to pull off all on your own for 4 stations. ...but it's a bit conceited to think you stand alone in this capability. You guys can do this across regions, but when the tip of the spear is focused on 4 stations in one system... when everyone has jump clones installed, I think backup will be effectively unlimited. Hell, if you guys pulled off holding all 4 stations each pilot could have 4 clones in the system (a x5 force multiplier). There are many super-pro corps, some unaffiliated with alliances, that could do this with a single station as well. If CCP made it lowsec it still wouldn't make a lick of difference, so I'm not suggesting that. That's what I'm trying to say. They need a LOT of stations in Thera if there's to be even a CHANCE of life out there for the unaffiliated or small corps. You may have the most powerful alliance in nullsec, but when it comes to who can pull together a super tight impenetrable fleet to camp a single station 23/7 you most certainly do not stand alone. |
Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
168
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:14:25 -
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CCP, please put ice in the frigate holes and please provide an ice-mining destroyer. And don't forget a tiny compression deployable. |
Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
168
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:16:40 -
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Mara Rinn wrote:sereneabt wrote:We from CODE are looking forward to this System. As your loyal servants we take it upon ourselves to police this new frontier. You should secure your permit in advance if you wish to enjoy our protection.
As long as you understand that there is no CONCORD to protect you in w-space, you'll be just fine. Make sure you understand how to defend yourself from targets that shoot back, and you will also want to acquaint yourselves with the mechanics of warp disruption bubbles. Remember that the folks who already live in w-space are used to shooting at things that shoot back, and they are not averse to shooting first. TL;DR:
- No CONCORD to protect you
- Targets will shoot you first
- Targets will prefer to shoot you rather than pay a permit fee (see first two points)
- Warp disruption fields
GL, HF!
CODE. is faking. They don't dare show their faces where there is no mechanics exploit and/or the targets can shoot back. Remember the alliance tournament?
No need for further comment. His CEO is already hitting him over the head for posting here. Those retards are high sec only and they good and well know it. |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:19:59 -
[146] - Quote
Gogela wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Gogela wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles
perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these It doesn't matter. I know a thing or two about this. It's worse than a gate camp because at least there they don't know where you're going to spawn around the gate. Even so, when a major alliance camps a gate having a cloaky nullified T3 or interceptor doesn't matter. They sensor boost the hell out of the tacklers, fill the 20km around the gate with drones and cans, have a sniper fleet around the perimeter, and bring the DPS to vaporize a titan on a shuttle. It's very difficult to get away in those situations... not impossible, but very difficult. A station camp is different. In addition to the above, they bring an absolute wall of bumper ships. The instant out warp point trick wouldn't work even if you could manage to set a bookmark. You undock in one place. They know exactly where your ship will be. While this can be much more effectively done with far fewer ships than the gate camp I described, expect far more ships. More sensor boosting, more debris, more drones, more DPS, more bumpers, and more science. For the average pod seeing the super-pro groups in EvE work is extremely rare if they've ever seen it at all. Their EvE game is so tight it holds water. When you see them clash it's pretty amazing... but you don't want to be in that system. You wouldn't survive a minute. this is a pretty impressive vignette but really the only people who can pull this sort of thing off all the time is us everyone else has insufficient people to manage a 24/7 hellcamp and whoops the system is inside a wormhole, disallowing infinite backup heck if the stations themselves lack cloning then when you pop a nerd, he is hurtling back to k-space realistically you are looking at a few dudes camping the system, then them taffing off when they get bored or have to sleep you having a vignette built up in your mind about how things are based on stories you heard once does not give ccp a reason to make thera wormhole lowsec Look, I have a lot of respect for what you guys can pull off... and I think you are selling yourself short when you imply that this would be difficult to pull off all on your own for 4 stations. ...but it's a bit conceited to think you stand alone in this capability. You guys can do this across regions, but when the tip of the spear is focused on 4 stations in one system... when everyone has jump clones installed, I think backup will be effectively unlimited. Hell, if you guys pulled off holding all 4 stations each pilot could have 4 clones in the system (a x5 force multiplier). There are many super-pro corps, some unaffiliated with alliances, that could do this with a single station as well. If CCP made it lowsec it still wouldn't make a lick of difference, so I'm not suggesting that. That's what I'm trying to say. They need a LOT of stations in Thera if there's to be even a CHANCE of life out there for the unaffiliated or small corps. You may have the most powerful alliance in nullsec, but when it comes to who can pull together a super tight impenetrable fleet to camp a single station 23/7 you most certainly do not stand alone. there you go with that vignette again
well here let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say it is possible and we'll even go so far as to assume that any given group has a RIGHT to be in thera (which they obviously don't GÇö-áno one has the explicit right to do anything with thera)
the question then becomes
wwwwwhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyy
what purpose is there to own thera
it has no moon goo, you can't claim sov, pve content is transient by its wormhole nature, there's no PI, it isn't a security risk (intentionally exhausting any thera holes leading into your space is far more effort efficient than controlling the stations,) and you can't even flip the stations and deadzone the folks inside
the best you can do is farm killmails off the station and while that is fun, it does not necessitate a protracted hellcamp of the sort that simply denies access to all comers, forever and ever |
Ager Agemo
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
445
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:23:18 -
[147] - Quote
why no shield bonuses for the shield frigs?
Also how will CCP prevent goons or some huge alliance from just crowding the system and making it inaccessible/unusable to any other player? |
Promiscuous Female
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
512
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:26:52 -
[148] - Quote
Ager Agemo wrote:why no shield bonuses for the shield frigs?
Also how will CCP prevent goons or some huge alliance from just crowding the system and making it inaccessible/unusable to any other player? ccp doesn't, you do
with guns
wormholes are 0.0
if this logic even held remotely true then why haven't we invaded all of normal wormhole space and choked it off to everyone forever |
Marlona Sky
D00M. Northern Coalition.
5630
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:30:39 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Gogela wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles
perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these It doesn't matter. I know a thing or two about this. It's worse than a gate camp because at least there they don't know where you're going to spawn around the gate. Even so, when a major alliance camps a gate having a cloaky nullified T3 or interceptor doesn't matter. They sensor boost the hell out of the tacklers, fill the 20km around the gate with drones and cans, have a sniper fleet around the perimeter, and bring the DPS to vaporize a titan on a shuttle. It's very difficult to get away in those situations... not impossible, but very difficult. A station camp is different. In addition to the above, they bring an absolute wall of bumper ships. The instant out warp point trick wouldn't work even if you could manage to set a bookmark. You undock in one place. They know exactly where your ship will be. While this can be much more effectively done with far fewer ships than the gate camp I described, expect far more ships. More sensor boosting, more debris, more drones, more DPS, more bumpers, and more science. For the average pod seeing the super-pro groups in EvE work is extremely rare if they've ever seen it at all. Their EvE game is so tight it holds water. When you see them clash it's pretty amazing... but you don't want to be in that system. You wouldn't survive a minute. this is a pretty impressive vignette but really the only people who can pull this sort of thing off all the time is us everyone else has insufficient people to manage a 24/7 hellcamp and whoops the system is inside a wormhole, disallowing infinite backup heck if the stations themselves lack cloning then when you pop a nerd, he is hurtling back to k-spacerealistically you are looking at a few dudes camping the system, then them taffing off when they get bored or have to sleep you having a vignette built up in your mind about how things are based on stories you heard once does not give ccp a reason to make thera wormhole lowsec
Promiscuous Female wrote:really, these sorts of posts highlight a disturbing trend on the eve-o forums
posters who harbor personal feelings about a topic, typically derived from misinformation and simple lack of domain knowledge of the topics of which they speak, attempt to dilute or otherwise willfully degrade a new feature by crafting a vignette which, while might be true or possibe in its ludicrous framing, simply does not reflect reality
trying to pre-compensate for these vignettes is the height of folly and is a hallmark of poor decision making and poor critical thinking skills Before you embarrass yourself more, read the dev blog:
Quote:The four stations in Thera will each have a full set of services, including cloning, office slots, and manufacturing. You will be able to set these stations as your medical clone location, and install Jump Clones if you wish.
The Paradox
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3264
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:34:59 -
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Promiscuous Female wrote:Gogela wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:Gogela wrote:Promiscuous Female wrote:fyi there are ships that allow you to ignore bubbles
perhaps if you are so worried about the bubble bogey man you should select one of these It doesn't matter. I know a thing or two about this. It's worse than a gate camp because at least there they don't know where you're going to spawn around the gate. Even so, when a major alliance camps a gate having a cloaky nullified T3 or interceptor doesn't matter. They sensor boost the hell out of the tacklers, fill the 20km around the gate with drones and cans, have a sniper fleet around the perimeter, and bring the DPS to vaporize a titan on a shuttle. It's very difficult to get away in those situations... not impossible, but very difficult. A station camp is different. In addition to the above, they bring an absolute wall of bumper ships. The instant out warp point trick wouldn't work even if you could manage to set a bookmark. You undock in one place. They know exactly where your ship will be. While this can be much more effectively done with far fewer ships than the gate camp I described, expect far more ships. More sensor boosting, more debris, more drones, more DPS, more bumpers, and more science. For the average pod seeing the super-pro groups in EvE work is extremely rare if they've ever seen it at all. Their EvE game is so tight it holds water. When you see them clash it's pretty amazing... but you don't want to be in that system. You wouldn't survive a minute. this is a pretty impressive vignette but really the only people who can pull this sort of thing off all the time is us everyone else has insufficient people to manage a 24/7 hellcamp and whoops the system is inside a wormhole, disallowing infinite backup heck if the stations themselves lack cloning then when you pop a nerd, he is hurtling back to k-space realistically you are looking at a few dudes camping the system, then them taffing off when they get bored or have to sleep you having a vignette built up in your mind about how things are based on stories you heard once does not give ccp a reason to make thera wormhole lowsec Look, I have a lot of respect for what you guys can pull off... and I think you are selling yourself short when you imply that this would be difficult to pull off all on your own for 4 stations. ...but it's a bit conceited to think you stand alone in this capability. You guys can do this across regions, but when the tip of the spear is focused on 4 stations in one system... when everyone has jump clones installed, I think backup will be effectively unlimited. Hell, if you guys pulled off holding all 4 stations each pilot could have 4 clones in the system (a x5 force multiplier). There are many super-pro corps, some unaffiliated with alliances, that could do this with a single station as well. If CCP made it lowsec it still wouldn't make a lick of difference, so I'm not suggesting that. That's what I'm trying to say. They need a LOT of stations in Thera if there's to be even a CHANCE of life out there for the unaffiliated or small corps. You may have the most powerful alliance in nullsec, but when it comes to who can pull together a super tight impenetrable fleet to camp a single station 23/7 you most certainly do not stand alone. there you go with that vignette again well here let's give you the benefit of the doubt and say it is possible and we'll even go so far as to assume that any given group has a RIGHT to be in thera (which they obviously don't GÇö-áno one has the explicit right to do anything with thera) the question then becomes wwwwwhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyywhat purpose is there to own thera it has no moon goo, you can't claim sov, pve content is transient by its wormhole nature, there's no PI, it isn't a security risk (intentionally exhausting any thera holes leading into your space is far more effort efficient than controlling the stations,) and you can't even flip the stations and deadzone the folks inside the best you can do is farm killmails off the station and while that is fun, it does not necessitate a protracted hellcamp of the sort that simply denies access to all comers, forever and ever To live in a station with services in a wormhole system alone is super appealing to pirates. To live in an INVULNERABLE station and farm sleepers is appealing to others. Pirates are not PvPers exactly (many anyway), so for PvP you'll have the most diverse set of targets across the whole of EvE every day. CODE would have all the lulz they could ask for. I think there will even be some new professions/play styles to come out of this. Not everyone has your motivations for playing EvE. I personally don't give a snip about sov or goo or mining or flipping stations. I still have a full plate. Ninja looters would have a field day there, if they could ever undock. If anyone could. There's a huge list of players w/ different objectives who don't care at all about anything you've listed. There's plenty of draw to the concept of Thera. I just don't see any access. I agree nobody has the RIGHT to be anywhere or do anything. I just don't see most players having a CHANCE with only 4 stations. |
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