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Spud Lazair
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:59:30 -
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As above is the gila a good ship to use in missions and ded sites? looking to buy a new ship and this one has caught my eye :)
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Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
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Posted - 2014.11.13 21:02:57 -
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It's very good. With medium drones, and more so with some augmented drones, you will be doing tons of easily applied damage. For many exploration sites and missions you will be able to run a passive tank though not all. |
SFM Hobb3s
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
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Posted - 2014.11.13 22:49:20 -
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Very good ship. There's not too many ships I would say could defend itself well should it come across agang of a half-dozen interceptor or assault frigs...but I have seen some of these that can.
Use the right fitting and drones and you can blap active-tanked assault frigs with one drone volley if your lucky. I've been that Unlucky lol. |
Jax Kazen
Prometheus Deep Space Mining and Salvage
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Posted - 2014.11.13 23:27:59 -
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DPS comparable to a battleship with a signature of 145, a cap stable speed of 632m/s (with my crappy skills) and enough mid slots to shield tank.
Yes, it's a good ship.
The only downside is a limited EHP since it's a cruiser but something has to actually hit you consistently for it to be an issue. |
Dato Koppla
Elite Guards
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Posted - 2014.11.14 01:10:05 -
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On paper it seems the Gila has tremendous dps with a reasonable range (around 60km w/o drone link augmentors), however in actual fact because the drones have to spend time moving from target to target, the actual applied dps is far lower than a gunboat with equivalent range and dps and even a missile boat. Especially with the long distances between spawns in missions and DEDs this can really cut into your actual dps so much so that it can be half the paper number if the spawns are far enough away. Ishtar with sentries will put out slightly less dps, but because sentries are basically guns you get instant applied damage and therefore more applied dps than a Gila while being cheaper as well. |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
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Posted - 2014.11.14 07:59:45 -
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Dato Koppla wrote:On paper it seems the Gila has tremendous dps with a reasonable range (around 60km w/o drone link augmentors), however in actual fact because the drones have to spend time moving from target to target, the actual applied dps is far lower than a gunboat with equivalent range and dps and even a missile boat. Especially with the long distances between spawns in missions and DEDs this can really cut into your actual dps so much so that it can be half the paper number if the spawns are far enough away. Ishtar with sentries will put out slightly less dps, but because sentries are basically guns you get instant applied damage and therefore more applied dps than a Gila while being cheaper as well.
I agree for the most part.
The Gila takes a lot more micro management, pulling drone when they take agro, working the missile launchers ect. Ishtar/Navy Vexor are just fly away, drop drones and pew. You can also easily rep you sentries while they take damage so you almost never need to suck them in.
That being said I prefer the Gila as a PVP/PVE combo, it can put out more raw DPS for breaking DED overseers and it has that cool warp animation. |
Spud Lazair
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.14 09:31:32 -
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or would a vexor navy issue be more viable?
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Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
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Posted - 2014.11.14 15:47:30 -
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VNI won't have as good of a tank, less DPS and has a limited drone bay, but has instant damage and is cheaper. |
Spud Lazair
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:15:05 -
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thanks for the replies last comparisson gila / stratios for ded / missions |
Gefen Orion
Orion Star Ltd.
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Posted - 2014.11.15 00:08:58 -
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If you're really keen on flying a Gila, make sure that your skills are up to it. The Gila is a dual-weapon platform ship, drones and missiles. You need to have skills on drones and missiles (at least lvl4 on all support and application skills both for drones and missiles and some shield skills too).
The Gila is one of the most skill extensive ship out there. Be sure your skills are up to it or you may not enjoy it or end up losing it by accident. |
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Arcos Vandymion
White Beast Inc.
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Posted - 2014.11.15 00:47:36 -
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Gefen Orion wrote:If you're really keen on flying a Gila, make sure that your skills are up to it. The Gila is a dual-weapon platform ship, drones and missiles. You need to have skills on drones and missiles (at least lvl4 on all support and application skills both for drones and missiles and some shield skills too).
The Gila is one of the most skill extensive ship out there. Be sure your skills are up to it or you may not enjoy it or end up losing it by accident.
With the ridiculous fact that most of the Gilas damage is in drones and most of that damage comes from a static hull bonus that needs neither drone nor missile nor cruiser skills of any sort, colour or size. For a Gila to crush L3s all you have to be able to do is undock with it really. I've seen people with 3m SP do L4s with a Gila without breaking to much of a sweat.
Missile skills are a bit arbitrary as well - one could easily take LML/RLML (avoiding a painter and training for application skills) for the added 100 and something DPS they provide if one REALLY needs it but most of the time the tripple DDA drones of the Gila will tear through Rats like they were made of paper. |
Gefen Orion
Orion Star Ltd.
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:08:22 -
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Arcos Vandymion wrote:Gefen Orion wrote:If you're really keen on flying a Gila, make sure that your skills are up to it. The Gila is a dual-weapon platform ship, drones and missiles. You need to have skills on drones and missiles (at least lvl4 on all support and application skills both for drones and missiles and some shield skills too).
The Gila is one of the most skill extensive ship out there. Be sure your skills are up to it or you may not enjoy it or end up losing it by accident. With the ridiculous fact that most of the Gilas damage is in drones and most of that damage comes from a static hull bonus that needs neither drone nor missile nor cruiser skills of any sort, colour or size. For a Gila to crush L3s all you have to be able to do is undock with it really. I've seen people with 3m SP do L4s with a Gila without breaking to much of a sweat. Missile skills are a bit arbitrary as well - one could easily take LML/RLML (avoiding a painter and training for application skills) for the added 100 and something DPS they provide if one REALLY needs it but most of the time the tripple DDA drones of the Gila will tear through Rats like they were made of paper.
Yes, I agree. The Gila is an excellent ship.
I may have been a little bit vague about the message of my replied post above. All I was trying to say is for the OP to be cautious on buying a skill extensive 300M+ hull.
I bought a rattlesnake and a gila when I was just 6 or 7 months old in EVE (early 2010). I made alot of mistakes with both hulls, fortunately, i didnt lose them and to this day still stays in my hangar in hisec. But, flying those hulls with my skills then, sucked the fun out of the experience.
Im not trying to stop the OP from buying a Gila. To the OP, buy one and fly it yourself, just be careful on picking the missions or DED sites where you fly it. Try to fly it conservatively first - my piece of advice. |
Ravay Kanjus
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.17 05:09:36 -
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The Gila is a goddamn MONSTER. I got a friend who started playing just in July one back in September. She pushes 800 DPS, has good eh/s with passive shield regen + resists, and applies the damage well since it's Medium drones. Myself in the same ship exceeds her stats obviously, but yikes. It's almost a better tank than the Rattlesnake (in terms of eh/s, not EHP). Brutal cruiser. |
TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
115
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Posted - 2014.11.18 22:43:52 -
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I did an analysis of my Bonus Room Gila a while back. In short, the Gila is the cruiser pilot's ultimate L4 mission boat: more mobile and better DPS than most intermediate-SP pilots will be able to do with most battleships, and plenty of tank for the hardest of the L4 missions in Empire space.
http://txgsync.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/a-little-carebearing-angel-extravaganza-bonus-room/
The limitations on drone speed are real, but reasonable. Drone aggro is more or less a non-issue: any ship that can track the drones will neither be able to keep up with or nor hit them reliably, and the massive drone EHP is a big boost here too. Frigates tend to avoid them (medium size), and the cruisers/battlecruisers just don't do enough damage to the drones to matter much. And you have the bay to unload one if you lose them.
Plus a rack of HAMs in the highs? Yes, please thank you. It's my favorite L4 mission boat right now. It's not the fastest -- look to the Machariel for that -- but it's fast enough, easy to skill into, and makes pretty much any L4 mission its ***** with just Racial Cruiser 4 and decent drone skills. |
Spud Lazair
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.19 02:18:11 -
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TXG SYNC wrote:I did an analysis of my Bonus Room Gila a while back. In short, the Gila is the cruiser pilot's ultimate L4 mission boat: more mobile and better DPS than most intermediate-SP pilots will be able to do with most battleships, and plenty of tank for the hardest of the L4 missions in Empire space. http://txgsync.wordpress.com/2014/11/04/a-little-carebearing-angel-extravaganza-bonus-room/ The limitations on drone speed are real, but reasonable. Drone aggro is more or less a non-issue: any ship that can track the drones will neither be able to keep up with or nor hit them reliably, and the massive drone EHP is a big boost here too. Frigates tend to avoid them (medium size), and the cruisers/battlecruisers just don't do enough damage to the drones to matter much. And you have the bay to unload one if you lose them. Plus a rack of HAMs in the highs? Yes, please thank you. It's my favorite L4 mission boat right now. It's not the fastest -- look to the Machariel for that -- but it's fast enough, easy to skill into, and makes pretty much any L4 mission its ***** with just Racial Cruiser 4 and decent drone skills.
nice link i enjoyed reading that, have you changed the fit at all or are you finding that fit pretty much final for your needs? |
TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
115
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Posted - 2014.11.19 15:56:03 -
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Spud Lazair wrote:[quote=TXG SYNC]nice link i enjoyed reading that, have you changed the fit at all or are you finding that fit pretty much final for your needs?
I'm wardecced right now so I've been sticking closer to my home in W-space running sites, gas mining, doing planetary interaction, etc. to make ISK. Mostly PvP when I'm online, really. My W-space Gila looks quite similar. If you want to do C2 sites, it works fine as-is; if you want to run C3s, start with Fortification Frontier Strongholds (no scrams!) to test your tank, and adjust shield power relays as needed to suit your skills.
Remember that tracking really matters against small targets, and Valkyries are the one medium drone that has a tracking speed > 1.0 rad/sec. Two decently-skilled target painters on a frigate with a Valkyrie with standard tracking and they'll just melt. But to get such a fitting, you usually have to switch a Gila to an active tank. Which is a bit more challenging vs. Sleeper neuts. |
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