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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:10:06 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Jvpiter wrote:Dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/quick-give-me-manual-control/ They are adding WASD keys for manual flight correction because new EVE people get confused when double clicking in space. Totally optional for bittervets, of course. Will strafing allow for new content? Can we out-Keanu missiles fired at ships? Will this result in new fleet dance flash mob content? Is this the end of EVE: Valkyrie? Will we finally be able to post on the forums using a smartphone without having a nervous breakdown? Is EVE dying? That plus an ability to keep shooting with "forward locked' turrets and bays when jammed would be epic. I have heard it over 1000 times, the lamentation of "Well I could not move, could not target, nothing. Then I died. This game sucks". If we could still at least shoot and "dogfight" when jammed and scrammed instead of having to wait to die, that would be a huge plus for the game. And we know that a forward turret that requires no locking is possible in the game. Bomb launchers anybody? The long standing problem of being "jammed to death" answered NOT in "CCP nerfing something" but in simply being given a tool to use, to be able to turn and fire on your opponent... think about it! Nobody asks for an "I WIN" Button. What the players want is a chance. Not "Oh I'm jammed. There's the scram...." (opens market screen). Give us forward shooting with WASD and that is the chance long awaited for. That's not a problem at all. The problem is the people who don't fit correctly to counter potential problems they could face in a fight (such as ECCM, ecm or ecm drones of their own, mobil depots + high EHP or ancillary boosted tanks to refit warp core stabs, FoF missiles for ships that can use missiles, micro jump drives if the bad guy is using disruptor s instead of scrams etc etc). If you can get jammed and scrammed to the point of uselessness you put too many eggs in one basket (or didn't bring friends like you should have). With all the tools available in game, CCP should not have to compensate for player incompetence.
Blah blah blah., I expected this from you. Do you ever log in?
Sorry but the game needs improvements and if your 5 scorpion alts are not as useful because of said improvement that's not my problem.
But go on and play Conan The Contrarian for your own jollies. WASD with an ability to fire has a huge potential for fun and if you don't like that, perhaps you can work longer hours or get a second job or something.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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DaReaper
Net 7
1234
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:13:51 -
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Jvpiter wrote:Dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/quick-give-me-manual-control/ They are adding WASD keys for manual flight correction because new EVE people get confused when double clicking in space. Totally optional for bittervets, of course. Will strafing allow for new content? SureCan we out-Keanu missiles fired at ships? No, the missiles use flight computers and locking, think of it as a smart missile fired at a moving target, in theory the missile will adjust course and you can't easily avoid it.Will this result in new fleet dance flash mob content? It might, we already had a few congo linesIs this the end of EVE: Valkyrie? No, this is prolly laying the ground work for valk to integrate into eve eventuallyWill we finally be able to post on the forums using a smartphone without having a nervous breakdown? I hope so! But that has nothing to do with this feature
Is EVE dying? Hell no!
Answers in bold
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
90
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:14:19 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
That plus an ability to keep shooting with "forward locked' turrets and bays when jammed would be epic. I have heard it over 1000 times, the lamentation of "Well I could not move, could not target, nothing. Then I died. This game sucks".
Well if CCP implements that then we must have Lieutenant Commander Worf style "ramming speed" ship functionality.
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Darth Schweinebacke
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:16:48 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Blah blah blah., I expected this from you. Do you ever log in?
Sorry but the game needs improvements and if your 5 scorpion alts are not as useful because of said improvement that's not my problem.
But go on and play Conan The Contrarian for your own jollies. WASD with an ability to fire has a huge potential for fun and if you don't like that, perhaps you can work longer hours or get a second job or something.
I hardly believe that you would be able to hit like that with the way the Eve engine works. To make that possible you require a much higher update frequency, unless the target sits completly still. Higher update frequency would lower the bar for people participating in a single battles a lot and I highly doubt this will ever happen. Piloting your ship with not 100% accurate control might possibly work (even though i can not imagine that will be anything like actually accuratly controlling your spaceship), but accurate aiming is a complete different story. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9012
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:18:49 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Blah blah blah., I expected this from you. Do you ever log in?
Every night
Quote: Sorry but the game needs improvements and if your 5 scorpion alts are not as useful because of said improvement that's not my problem.
I don't fly ecm ships lol.. Nor do i ask ccp to do things for me that I can do for myself.
Self-reliance and using the tools available instead of running to mommie for help is hard for some people, ain't it Herzog?
Quote: But go on and play Conan The Contrarian for your own jollies. WASD with an ability to fire has a huge potential for fun and if you don't like that, perhaps you can work longer hours or get a second job or something.
Don't need a second job, that would take away from actually playing the game I'm playing rather than begging for someone else to fix my mistakes for me. No onis being a contrarian, simply point out that what you want from this game is nonsense...dial in warp nonsense on top of that lol. |
DaReaper
Net 7
1234
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Posted - 2014.11.14 18:22:04 -
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Jvpiter wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
That plus an ability to keep shooting with "forward locked' turrets and bays when jammed would be epic. I have heard it over 1000 times, the lamentation of "Well I could not move, could not target, nothing. Then I died. This game sucks".
Well if CCP implements that then we must have Lieutenant Commander Worf style "ramming speed" ship functionality.
You will never get this without a complete rewrite of the game physics, and that would be a huge undertaking. So its more then likely not going to happen anytime soon.
Another game coming has this as a feature... I bet in a year you will see them turn that feature off, esp when a group of eve players invades and shows how that feature can be abused to high hades.
But besides that, if we had collision damage, then all undocks would have to change, and you would have delayed undocking, or something because there is zero way jita's 4-4 station would work correctly anymore if this was changed
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Serene Repose
1625
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:01:20 -
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Once again, we left-handers are LEFT out. Thanks. I think 'gamers' who automatically reach for the W key are re... uh, not very BRIGHT. So, of course, let's conform to them. There's no standard like...no standards. Hoo haw. Ain't we lucky they're along?
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
249
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:06:24 -
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Jvpiter wrote:Dev blog: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/quick-give-me-manual-control/ They are adding WASD keys for manual flight correction because new EVE people get confused when double clicking in space. Totally optional for bittervets, of course. Will strafing allow for new content? Can we out-Keanu missiles fired at ships? Will this result in new fleet dance flash mob content? Is this the end of EVE: Valkyrie? Will we finally be able to post on the forums using a smartphone without having a nervous breakdown? Is EVE dying?
No.
No.
That depends if the titan pilots are too drunk to log in or not.
Hopefully.
No.
We are all dying from the time we exit the womb.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
249
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:09:39 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Once again, we left-handers are LEFT out. Thanks. I think 'gamers' who automatically reach for the W key are re... uh, not very BRIGHT. So, of course, let's conform to them. There's no standard like...no standards. Hoo haw. Ain't we lucky they're along?
As a left hander I am sure you are used to selecting your own key set up
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
96
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:22:48 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Once again, we left-handers are LEFT out.
That is alright. We Southpaws are all possessed by evil spirits and expected to have short life expectancy anyway.
Might as well screw us on the keyboard and mouse ergonomics thing.
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
126
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:29:04 -
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When I first joined back in 2007/2008 I didn't realise for at least two years that you could click the sky and your ship would move in that direction, so to be honest I think it's welcome.
I did obviously right click and suss out the menu etc on account of the fact that I am not totally thick.
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
430
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:43:03 -
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It's kinda scary that there are so many of you mutant freak lefties playing this game. Gross.
Also, I think people are getting a little too excited over WASD. With the server tick it's not going to be action packed dogfighting. Panning the camera and doubleclicking in space will probably still be a more accurate and direct way of moving. Can't wait to test it though. |
Metal Icarus
Dirt Nap Squad Dirt Nap Squad.
706
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Posted - 2014.11.14 21:59:57 -
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This would be even better if we had:
1) A chase camera
2) A better overlay that doubled as a on-grid radar so one could be zoomed in on their ship and still know what is around them.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
223
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Posted - 2014.11.14 22:33:22 -
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
97
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Posted - 2014.11.14 23:33:33 -
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Metal Icarus wrote:
2) A better overlay that doubled as a on-grid radar so one could be zoomed in on their ship and still know what is around them.
With original soundbites from Hunt for Red October!
In this case, we could have the slight audio distortion they had in the movie to spot the sneaky Russian sub, except for AFK cloakers! |
Crumplecorn
Eve Cluster Explorations
1609
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Posted - 2014.11.15 01:27:25 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:That plus an ability to keep shooting with "forward locked' turrets and bays when jammed would be epic. I have heard it over 1000 times, the lamentation of "Well I could not move, could not target, nothing. Then I died. This game sucks".
If we could still at least shoot and "dogfight" when jammed and scrammed instead of having to wait to die, that would be a huge plus for the game. It begins.
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Rhivre
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
806
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Posted - 2014.11.15 01:30:26 -
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Wait til some people find out that there are keyboard shortcuts for things in Eve
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
21381
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Posted - 2014.11.15 01:53:31 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Once again, we left-handers are LEFT out. Thanks. I think 'gamers' who automatically reach for the W key are re... uh, not very BRIGHT. So, of course, let's conform to them. There's no standard like...no standards. Hoo haw. Ain't we lucky they're along? Adapt or die Serene.
We've had to do it all our lives. We should be the apex players of Eve, not worried about a little WASD introduction. I think I'll map the keys to all those extra mouse buttons I seem to have but never use.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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shimiku
Black VooDoo Asassins The Kadeshi
23
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Posted - 2014.11.15 02:02:21 -
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they wast time on to much **** from my point of view but anyway how is this gonna work with tidi you dont have any clue how long to the left right op or down you have told the server that you want to go |
MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs DamnedNation
52
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Posted - 2014.11.15 03:34:28 -
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Lister Vindaloo wrote:What makes you think wasd will be more responsive?
Especially during large fleet battles? I'm more concerned it will make a bigger issue of my laggy antipodean connection to the server, even more presses to lose now.....
I find it counter intuitive to not be re spawned in my ship when I lose it stupidly.... Slippery Slope Fallacy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=eaUaJUhTZfw#t=148s
An excellent example of why pod killmails are the best feature to be implemented in EVE Online since warping at zero.
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Ila Dace
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
12512
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Posted - 2014.11.15 05:00:38 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Finally. WASD for now, but joystick is inevitable. I can fly close to someone, release some flammable gas and when they shoot me, the gas will explode and kill them. The only thing missing was the joystick!' But for real, it actually not a big deal, thus no outrage lol. But can you do that while typing "I FART IN YOUR GENERAL DIRECTION" in local?
If House played Eve: http://i.imgur.com/y7ShT.jpg
But in purple, I'm stunning!
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
101
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Posted - 2014.11.15 05:33:41 -
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So I was thinking more about this. I know, I know. This Jvpiter fellow, does he ever actually think?
I imagine being able to go side to side without needing to flip your camera is a nice way to very quickly alter your traversal. As someone mentioned before, it would be interesting to see how much it affects Frigates in combat.
After all it's a pretty sound strategy that's been tested and proven in Zelda and Golden Axe so there's no reason it won't work here.
My brothers had to no e-honor at all in these games. It was all strafe to win.
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Moonlit Raid
State War Academy Caldari State
220
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Posted - 2014.11.15 05:58:51 -
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Meh.
If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.
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Dave Stark
7174
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Posted - 2014.11.15 12:06:47 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Once again, we left-handers are LEFT out. Thanks. I think 'gamers' who automatically reach for the W key are re... uh, not very BRIGHT. So, of course, let's conform to them. There's no standard like...no standards. Hoo haw. Ain't we lucky they're along?
as a left handed person...
i have no idea what the **** you're babbling about. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6872
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Posted - 2014.11.15 12:25:40 -
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CCP Nullarbor wrote:Manual flight controls are now enabled on Singularity. You will need to bind the keys in the settings window first. Feedback should go in the thread here. Enjoy!
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
188
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Posted - 2014.11.15 13:57:31 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Serene Repose wrote:Once again, we left-handers are LEFT out. Thanks. I think 'gamers' who automatically reach for the W key are re... uh, not very BRIGHT. So, of course, let's conform to them. There's no standard like...no standards. Hoo haw. Ain't we lucky they're along? as a left handed person... i have no idea what the **** you're babbling about.
Yeah on my keyboard the W is actually closer to my left hand. |
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
109
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Posted - 2014.11.15 14:14:16 -
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Nice mod, but not worth any stress.
Mostly good for bumbing and avoid bumbing. The rest remains unchanged and WASD doesn't help. Not much more then another double click into space. Smart it does not change much in control for EvE but for the player it feels he has a direkt control. I really like it.
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Cherri Minoa
Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk Amarr branch. Sev3rance
19
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Posted - 2014.11.15 14:21:36 -
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What's with all the references to clicking in space to move? Everyone knows that you have to click at least 10 times as fast as possible to get any response. It's the same principle that makes lifts arrive at your floor quicker if you keep pressing the button as fast as you can.
"If I had been censured every time I have run my ship, or fleets under my command, into great danger, I should have long ago been out of the Service" - Horatio Nelson
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Mina Sebiestar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
756
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Posted - 2014.11.15 14:24:31 -
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When i first join back in......ok i have nothing. |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1671
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Posted - 2014.11.15 14:40:04 -
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I'll only truly enjoy it if I can pull sweet donuts off with it. Nothing says bait drake like a spinning one. |
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