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Regithros Raylanar
Elysian. Orderly Misconduct
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:34:53 -
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By default there is an option enabled for all pilots that notifies them when they are about to jump into a low-sec system from a high-sec system. Why is there not the opposite of this feature that notifies a criminal (either by security status or by criminal engagement timer) that he is about to jump into a high-sec system, and is a potential risk?? |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
262
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:38:44 -
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+1 |
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
714
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Posted - 2014.11.17 17:52:51 -
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Why doesn't the local cops let alone the omnipotent ones show up nearly instantly and pod the offending SOB? Oh wait, stop AFKing and WTZ....problem solved. Entire suggestion is moot, message pops up and you are already long gone unless you where stupid enough such as sitting in a freighter leaving dock after leaving FW without thinking where you where traveling to or pounding out storylines/anti-faction missions than jumping in a slow ship. Yep, why give the bad guys a safety net when in fact they already have delayed response, someone is yelling at you that your a criminal and most people are laughing cause nobody is shooting at them. |
Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2014.11.17 18:17:25 -
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You're a criminal who has chosen to live outside the very system you want to hold your hand. The nerve of some people! |
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
770
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Posted - 2014.11.17 19:22:47 -
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+1 but *only* if the message reads "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy'... |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1802
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Posted - 2014.11.17 19:28:04 -
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I don't know about a warning if you're low sec status but there absolutely should be one for jumping while gcc since that means certain, imidiate death. Carebears get all kinds of bubble wrap type features to protect them from dumb stuff, stands to reason that everyone else deserves the same thing. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1370
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Posted - 2014.11.17 22:01:09 -
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Why not, seems harmless enough, particuarly for a GCC, where mistaking a gate security can cause instant death. That is hard.
Of course, if you are in such a state, one has only oneself to blame and a scram, missile and pod ejection usually gets the message across.
Then one is more careful next time.
Both are valid points of view.
Of course a middle ground is if you realise you are in HS and were allowed to quickly set your safety green, and concord then only warning you to GTFO, but not immidiately firing, giving you a short time to burn back to gate, that would be a nice answer for all. But only if the safety was kept locked until you left hs.
In short, making a minor mistake should not be a death sentence, but the mechanic does deters some of the more imaginative asshattery, and that part should remain. The message request? If you are in FW or losec you would have turned it off long ago you are hardly going to remember to turn it on again (if you can find it) when you have been very naughty. And when not, that delay will get you killed when running for safety.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
63
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Posted - 2014.11.18 03:13:18 -
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Seems obvious, reasonable and fair +1 |
Lugh Crow-Slave
209
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Posted - 2014.11.18 03:21:52 -
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epicurus ataraxia wrote: In short, making a minor mistake should not be a death sentence,
But that's what makes this game fun.
as for the OP i don't care one way or the other i'll just disable it like the low-sec warning but in the mean time just watch where you are going |
Mini D'Matar
Mob Squad
1
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Posted - 2014.11.18 08:03:44 -
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Stopping at the gate to click 'Ok' or re aligning to another non high sec gate could be fatal........... |
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Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
27
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Posted - 2014.11.18 08:50:45 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't know about a warning if you're low sec status but there absolutely should be one for jumping while gcc since that means certain, imidiate death. Carebears get all kinds of bubble wrap type features to protect them from dumb stuff, stands to reason that everyone else deserves the same thing. You do something that gives you a GCC and you're complaining the game doesn't warn you? It does warn you, there is a cooldown icon at the top of the screen; everyone gets it.
Some people can't distinguish the letters 'E', 'V', 'E' from 'W', 'O', 'W'. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
498
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:29:01 -
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Why doesn't it just deny the jump with gcc. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1367
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:40:29 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't know about a warning if you're low sec status but there absolutely should be one for jumping while gcc since that means certain, imidiate death. Carebears get all kinds of bubble wrap type features to protect them from dumb stuff, stands to reason that everyone else deserves the same thing.
You are asking to be protected by the system which you broke to go GCC... |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6957
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Posted - 2014.11.18 14:59:36 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't know about a warning if you're low sec status but there absolutely should be one for jumping while gcc since that means certain, imidiate death. Carebears get all kinds of bubble wrap type features to protect them from dumb stuff, stands to reason that everyone else deserves the same thing. You are asking to be protected by the system which you broke to go GCC... Protection and a supresable warning and not the same thing. In game there's no warning your about to get CONCORD all up in your face after poding some jackass that picked a fight with you and you just want to go home.
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Major Trant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
1259
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:10:26 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't know about a warning if you're low sec status but there absolutely should be one for jumping while gcc since that means certain, imidiate death. Carebears get all kinds of bubble wrap type features to protect them from dumb stuff, stands to reason that everyone else deserves the same thing. You are asking to be protected by the system which you broke to go GCC... Protection and a supresable warning and not the same thing. In game there's no warning your about to get CONCORD all up in your face after poding some jackass that picked a fight with you and you just want to go home. You don't get a GCC if some Jackass picks a fight with you. You get a limited engagement timer and then you can pod him quite happily. You even get a limited engagement timer if he just fires back after you initiate the engagement.
You only get a GCC in low sec when you kill an 'innocent' pod with good sec standing that has no suspect, criminal or limited engagement timer (with you) running.
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Ix Method
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
313
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:23:17 -
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Ceawlin Cobon-Han wrote:You're a criminal who has chosen to live outside the very system you want to hold your hand. The nerve of some people!
Frostys Virpio wrote:You are asking to be protected by the system which you broke to go GCC... Are we in some weird, roleplaying hell here? What do the space police have to do with UI design?
Travelling at the speed of love.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1803
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:26:49 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't know about a warning if you're low sec status but there absolutely should be one for jumping while gcc since that means certain, imidiate death. Carebears get all kinds of bubble wrap type features to protect them from dumb stuff, stands to reason that everyone else deserves the same thing. You are asking to be protected by the system which you broke to go GCC... No, I'm not, because I don't ever go GCC.
I'm asking for the game to provide you with some kind of warning when a button that is normally okay to press has turned into an instant suicide button because that is good game design. |
Major Trant
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
1259
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:29:19 -
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I don't think having a warning pop up (which halts the jump until you click OK) is a good idea for a suspect flag or low security standing. As someone above has said, that could get you killed by another player or the gate guns depending on the situation, while still in low/null sec.
Jumping with a GCC into high sec will get you Concorded, but even warning about that is debateable. I can think of at least 3 situations where that would be preferable.
1. Jumping when you know your ship is going to die on the low/null sec side, to deny the enemy the Killmail.
2. Jumping when you know your ship is going to die on the low/null sec side to save your pod - Concorde will only kill your ship.
3. When you are in your pod.
Thus in summary I would say that people who engage in criminal activities in low sec ought to be aware of the consequences of their actions and live with the penalties that incurs and if they are not, too bad. So, as even an opt out option could get a player killed and podded the first time he sees it, I would be against it.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1367
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:34:51 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:I don't know about a warning if you're low sec status but there absolutely should be one for jumping while gcc since that means certain, imidiate death. Carebears get all kinds of bubble wrap type features to protect them from dumb stuff, stands to reason that everyone else deserves the same thing. You are asking to be protected by the system which you broke to go GCC... No, I'm not, because I don't ever go GCC. I'm asking for the game to provide you with some kind of warning when a button that is normally okay to press has turned into an instant suicide button because that is good game design.
It's only an instant suicide if you are GCC. You had to willingly commit criminal action to get that flag in the first place so you should not have to be warned about still being a criminal. You got your bubble wrap when you were about to engage an illegal target. If you run around in high sec with safeties red, it's not the game's fault. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
498
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Posted - 2014.11.18 16:59:09 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:If you run around in high sec with safeties red, it's not the game's fault.
These are people who commited a crime in LOW perhaps 10 minutes ago wanting a notification - one a bit clearer than a little red icon no-one looks at - that as soon as they click (or misclick) "jump", they instantly die. |
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Zepheros Naeonis
TinklePee
13
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Posted - 2014.11.18 17:17:27 -
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afkalt wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:If you run around in high sec with safeties red, it's not the game's fault. These are people who commited a crime in LOW perhaps 10 minutes ago wanting a notification - one a bit clearer than a little red icon no-one looks at - that as soon as they click (or misclick) "jump", they instantly die. So tl;dr: "I don't pay enough attention and therefore should be coddled." |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
1849
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Posted - 2014.11.18 17:30:33 -
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Zepheros Naeonis wrote:So tl;dr: "I don't pay enough attention and therefore should be coddled."
I think you just summed up the accumulated arguments of every whinebear ever to post on the forum.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1804
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Posted - 2014.11.18 18:33:36 -
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Zepheros Naeonis wrote:So tl;dr: "I don't pay enough attention and therefore should be coddled." Carebears in highsec get coddled in this manner constantly. There have been an absolute shitton of changes made to the game to protect them from their own unattentiveness or abject stupidity, in some cases at the expense of the gameplay of others (see the post incursion change to remote reps that completely screwed over everyone that used any kind of RR in pvp).
Unless carebears are for some reason more deserving of having the game changed to help them than other players then lowsec players deserve at least a warning if they try and jump into highsec whole GCC
It would have zero negative affect on any one, may save a few some frustration and should not be hard or costly to implement
The only reason anyone would be against this while tolerating all the other bubble wrap features is pure mean spirited vindictiveness because they personally don't like a given play style. That kind of attitude is selfish and bad for the health of the game. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1367
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Posted - 2014.11.18 18:38:21 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Zepheros Naeonis wrote:So tl;dr: "I don't pay enough attention and therefore should be coddled." Carebears in highsec get coddled in this manner constantly. There have been an absolute shitton of changes made to the game to protect them from their own unattentiveness or abject stupidity, in some cases at the expense of the gameplay of others (see the post incursion change to remote reps that completely screwed over everyone that used any kind of RR in pvp). Unless carebears are for some reason more deserving of having the game changed to help them than other players then lowsec players deserve at least a warning if they try and jump into highsec whole GCC It would have zero negative affect on any one, may save a few some frustration and should not be hard or costly to implement The only reason anyone would be against this while tolerating all the other bubble wrap features is pure mean spirited vindictiveness because they personally don't like a given play style. That kind of attitude is selfish and bad for the health of the game.
CCP please protect me from the same unattentiveness or abject stupidity I criticize others of having. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
498
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Posted - 2014.11.18 18:48:06 -
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Zepheros Naeonis wrote:afkalt wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:If you run around in high sec with safeties red, it's not the game's fault. These are people who commited a crime in LOW perhaps 10 minutes ago wanting a notification - one a bit clearer than a little red icon no-one looks at - that as soon as they click (or misclick) "jump", they instantly die. So tl;dr: "I don't pay enough attention and therefore should be coddled."
It's simply consistency given all the other warnings as well as clearing up it being nothing to do with "running around in high sec with a red safety"
It is not always a case of lack of attention, could be a simple misclick - sure other parts pof space are the same except there is no running the concord camp.
Stupid arbitrary crap doesnt make things "hard" it makes them stupid. That being said, I live in null so.../shrug. Continue your circle jerk about eve being "hard" at your own leisure. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1804
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Posted - 2014.11.18 19:02:18 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:
CCP please protect me from the same unattentiveness or abject stupidity I criticize others of having.
like I said I don't ever go GCC so so it won't affect me in the slightest.
I sincerely believe that if anyone is allowed protection from dumb then everyone should. |
Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.11.20 12:50:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:
CCP please protect me from the same unattentiveness or abject stupidity I criticize others of having.
like I said I don't ever go GCC so so it won't affect me in the slightest. I sincerely believe that if anyone is allowed protection from dumb then everyone should. Your choice to go into losec is advertising your belief that you understand the consequences of your actions. That makes you different from those who play in hisec. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1828
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Posted - 2014.11.20 14:44:08 -
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I don't go to lowsec either. I live in highsec.
I just care about the gameplay of people other than myself. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
498
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Posted - 2014.11.20 14:47:29 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:I just care about the gameplay of people other than myself.
You'll find yourself in an unpopular minority there, regrettably.
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Thorr VonAsgard
Never Surrender. The Blacklist.
43
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Posted - 2014.11.20 14:49:47 -
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+1 |
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