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Amarrian Cougar
Veritas Theory Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:29:37 -
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Dear CCP,
If you want the Thera WH system to be the next "Jita", you can accomplish this via 2 simple additions"
1. Make the main Thera station the only station in EVE with the FULL walking in station experience.
2. Seed the new "blighted" weapons in that station as soon as they are released and make it so that afterwards, blighted weapons are produced faster and or cheaper in that station.
These 2 additions would ensure steady traffic and population in the new system and would give people a reason to stick around and return after it's novelty wears off.
Sincerely, Just another capsuleer |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7227
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Posted - 2014.11.18 15:33:03 -
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6808
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Posted - 2014.11.18 17:03:37 -
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Amarrian Cougar wrote:
If you want the Thera WH system to be the next "Jita",
They don't what it to be anything.
It's just a place they made for us to do with as we wish. That is the true sandbox thinking that gives me faith that CCP and EVE aren't going to fold anytime soon.
Mr Epeen
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
866
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Posted - 2014.11.18 17:42:22 -
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Amarrian Cougar wrote:...after it's novelty wears off. Looking at the EVE community I'm slightly more optimistic.
Remove insurance.
This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
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DaReaper
Net 7
1312
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Posted - 2014.11.18 17:49:30 -
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CCP never said they want it to be jita without concord, its the players that are calling it this.
Its a new system, with tools that we can mess with. It may become a ghost town, a pirate haven, controlled by a wh alliance, controlled by a 0.0 alliance, a thunderdome war zone, the jita of wh's, who the heck knows. The point is they gave us new stuff to play with.
When the novelty wears off, someone will come in and take it over and change it, giving it new life. That's what eve is.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17736
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Posted - 2014.11.18 18:05:53 -
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Trade hub locations are dictated by the players, not by CCP.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Warde Guildencrantz
TunDraGon Cynosural Field Theory.
1103
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Posted - 2014.11.18 18:39:36 -
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Amarrian Cougar wrote:Dear CCP, "blighted" weapons
No, no, we got rid of that naming convention. It's Polarized
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corebloodbrothers
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
670
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Posted - 2014.11.18 18:53:38 -
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Amarrian Cougar wrote:Dear CCP,
If you want the Thera WH system to be the next "Jita", you can accomplish this via 2 simple additions"
1. Make the main Thera station the only station in EVE with the FULL walking in station experience.
2. Seed the new "blighted" weapons in that station as soon as they are released and make it so that afterwards, blighted weapons are produced faster and or cheaper in that station.
These 2 additions would ensure steady traffic and population in the new system and would give people a reason to stick around and return after it's novelty wears off.
Sincerely, Just another capsuleer
Seing what players will do with it, instead of pre determining by ccp is whats the sandbox ultimate use is. Trying to stock it, against ofds, might determin price demand, delayed local and just dic and hic bubles will see loads of a activy Jita wasnt designated |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
889
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Posted - 2014.11.18 19:14:50 -
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corebloodbrothers wrote:Amarrian Cougar wrote:Dear CCP,
If you want the Thera WH system to be the next "Jita", you can accomplish this via 2 simple additions"
1. Make the main Thera station the only station in EVE with the FULL walking in station experience.
2. Seed the new "blighted" weapons in that station as soon as they are released and make it so that afterwards, blighted weapons are produced faster and or cheaper in that station.
These 2 additions would ensure steady traffic and population in the new system and would give people a reason to stick around and return after it's novelty wears off.
Sincerely, Just another capsuleer Seing what players will do with it, instead of pre determining by ccp is whats the sandbox ultimate use is. Trying to stock it, against ofds, might determin price demand, delayed local and just dic and hic bubles will see loads of a activy Jita wasnt designated
No freighters from highsec, ore won't be brought in, people won't risk jump freighters in lowsec and null.
Market pvp defined by reputation of corporation people don't normally have reputation with, and can't get easily.
You want marketeering to happen here?
1) remove all taxes (if you have accounting 5 and broker 5, regardless of your reputation) you pay 0 taxes in posting orders or setting orders. Period (people like tax havens).
2) to match in someway, the amount of traffic that goes through jita, you would have to make the highsec hole unclosable by players. You would also have to allow freighters in (you don't currently). If you do that though, people will just bypass Thera and move stuff to Jita. You would need a intermediary, which would be the orca. Would people risk orcas to ship stuff, probably not.
3) you would have to make build costs exceedingly cheap here.
4) would have to create a interdiction nullified hauler (not a cloaky, but with high resists to probing) to deal with bubblegate
The main one is probably market taxes. That would make this a better marketing hub than Jita. After that, let them try.
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Kamahl Daikun
Hounds of War. Hashashin Cartel
34
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Posted - 2014.11.18 19:22:32 -
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Warde Guildencrantz wrote:Amarrian Cougar wrote:Dear CCP, "blighted" weapons No, no, we got rid of that naming convention. It's Polarized
Actually, it's useless. |
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Lugh Crow-Slave
215
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Posted - 2014.11.18 19:36:10 -
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DaReaper wrote:CCP never said they want it to be jita without concord, its the players that are calling it this
Fozzie referred to it as this when he announced it and that is why the players are referring to it as such, however this is just what they gave us tools to create weather we use them as such they leave up to us |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17738
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Posted - 2014.11.18 19:36:39 -
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Kamahl Daikun wrote:Warde Guildencrantz wrote:Amarrian Cougar wrote:Dear CCP, "blighted" weapons No, no, we got rid of that naming convention. It's Polarized Actually, it's useless.
Like anyone would buy a 'Useless Neutron Blaster'... Come on now..
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
213
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Posted - 2014.11.18 19:50:09 -
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WTB: 8x 'Useless' Neutron Blaster |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2180
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Posted - 2014.11.18 19:56:11 -
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CCP doesn't dictate trade hubs. In fact, if Yulai taught us anything, it's that CCP doesn't want any one system to be a trade hub, at all.
They removed several gates from Yulai in an attempt to encourage regional hubs, but everyone moved to Jita, anyway. Oursulaert used to be a hub, too.... but who uses that system, anymore? Now, you have what? Rens, Hek, Amarr, Dodixie, and Jita. That's far from the "regional" idea CCP seemed to want, and Jita still has more people than all the others, combined. Those were player decisions. Yulai taught CCP not to screw with the player-driven market.
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2180
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Posted - 2014.11.18 19:59:28 -
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Pt 2:
While Thera is unique, for the time-being, and is kind of a W-space "Jita" by default, trying to force all the players to choose one of the four stations is a crappy idea, and will likely backfire. Just the simple fact that two of the stations are directly on-grid with oneanother is going too much in that direction to begin with, and I hope they change that.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1567
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Posted - 2014.11.18 20:18:27 -
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What is this "delayed local" thing? Do people appear after a delay or is this just a bad way of describing wormhole local?
I don't think you can jump freighter into a wormhole. If so, this will mean bringing smaller volumes via a DST or blockade runner. Through bubbles. I can't see this turning into a major hub tbh.
Can freighters fit through the highsec or lowsec holes?
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DaReaper
Net 7
1314
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Posted - 2014.11.18 20:24:58 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:corebloodbrothers wrote:Amarrian Cougar wrote:Dear CCP,
If you want the Thera WH system to be the next "Jita", you can accomplish this via 2 simple additions"
1. Make the main Thera station the only station in EVE with the FULL walking in station experience.
2. Seed the new "blighted" weapons in that station as soon as they are released and make it so that afterwards, blighted weapons are produced faster and or cheaper in that station.
These 2 additions would ensure steady traffic and population in the new system and would give people a reason to stick around and return after it's novelty wears off.
Sincerely, Just another capsuleer Seing what players will do with it, instead of pre determining by ccp is whats the sandbox ultimate use is. Trying to stock it, against ofds, might determin price demand, delayed local and just dic and hic bubles will see loads of a activy Jita wasnt designated No freighters from highsec, ore won't be brought in, people won't risk jump freighters in lowsec and null. Market pvp defined by reputation of corporation people don't normally have reputation with, and can't get easily. You want marketeering to happen here? 1) remove all taxes (if you have accounting 5 and broker 5, regardless of your reputation) you pay 0 taxes in posting orders or setting orders. Period (people like tax havens). 2) to match in someway, the amount of traffic that goes through jita, you would have to make the highsec hole unclosable by players. You would also have to allow freighters in (you don't currently). If you do that though, people will just bypass Thera and move stuff to Jita. You would need a intermediary, which would be the orca. Would people risk orcas to ship stuff, probably not. 3) you would have to make build costs exceedingly cheap here. 4) would have to create a interdiction nullified hauler (not a cloaky, but with high resists to probing) to deal with bubblegate The main one is probably market taxes. That would make this a better marketing hub than Jita. After that, let them try.
Why do you think no ore will be brought in? People will bring stuff in and take the risk if there is a chance to make money. People will even take the risk of mining if there is a chance to make money. Never underestimate human greed and or stupidity
1) This won't happen however
2) no you don't need an uncloseable hole, it is essentially a moving trade hub. As I said already, never under estimate human greed. The wh alliances and corps alone could easily use this system as a way station for stocking up on good and putting things here for sell. They can defend there ships that go into and out of the system with ease. And as it links to other terriroties, other people will go in to see if they find deals or make millions. Human greed is magic.
3) they will be, no pos' means the only cost are everyone making stuff in the 4 stations. It will be one of the cheaper places to build for a while.
4) no you really don't, MWD and cloak trick if done correctly can get you well outside of a bubble and range before you are decloaked. its not that bloody hard to dodge a bubble camp.
Taxes are a sink, and from storyline perspective the sisters will want isk too.
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DaReaper
Net 7
1314
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Posted - 2014.11.18 20:28:37 -
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Zappity wrote:What is this "delayed local" thing? Do people appear after a delay or is this just a bad way of describing wormhole local?
I don't think you can jump freighter into a wormhole. If so, this will mean bringing smaller volumes via a DST or blockade runner. Through bubbles. I can't see this turning into a major hub tbh.
Can freighters fit through the highsec or lowsec holes?
WH local is delayed local. Its delayed because you don't sow up unless you talk. so that's the trigger.
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Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
184
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Posted - 2014.11.18 20:31:27 -
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Zappity wrote:What is this "delayed local" thing? Do people appear after a delay or is this just a bad way of describing wormhole local?
I don't think you can jump freighter into a wormhole. If so, this will mean bringing smaller volumes via a DST or blockade runner. Through bubbles. I can't see this turning into a major hub tbh.
Can freighters fit through the highsec or lowsec holes?
Delayed local is local like it is in WH space. You don't show up in local until you say something.
Yes, freighters will be able to get in and out of the system. However, once they dock at the station, they will never be able to undock unless they are protected by a combat force able to claim 'air superiority' over the station. Imagining what a freighter escort mission might turn out like is pretty fascinating. However, it goes without saying that independent traders without extensive combat support will not be active in Thera. Except for station trading that is. |
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
371
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Posted - 2014.11.18 20:45:54 -
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I love all these dreams about Thera being some form of trade hub.
Let's be real. This is Eve. Every station will be camped 23.5/7 by people who only know how to win via docking games, and in the long term, it will wind up being just another rarely used system.
It's a waste of Dev time.
Profit favors the prepared
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6966
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Posted - 2014.11.18 20:54:15 -
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Jarod Garamonde wrote: Oursulaert used to be a hub, too.... but who uses that system, anymore?
We do, for lancing carebears with our ishkurs...
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Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
754
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Posted - 2014.11.18 21:02:50 -
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I saw walking in station and stopped reading. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6812
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Posted - 2014.11.18 21:55:18 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Jarod Garamonde wrote: Oursulaert used to be a hub, too.... but who uses that system, anymore?
We do, for lancing carebears with our ishkurs...
Enjoy it while it lasts. New Ishkur is less lance, more antenna.
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Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2014.11.18 23:11:59 -
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Getting trade goods into Thera is a small issue. People will find a way.
If people cannot buy goods and then undock with some reasonable chance of success, very little buying will occur. That is a bigger problem.
It will become Hotel California for almost everything that people move there.
just sayin |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6012
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Posted - 2014.11.19 01:48:34 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:DaReaper wrote:CCP never said they want it to be jita without concord, its the players that are calling it this Fozzie referred to it as this when he announced it and that is why the players are referring to it as such, however this is just what they gave us tools to create weather we use them as such they leave up to us Quite correct. People keep focus on the "Jita" part of that statement and ignore the ramifications of what he meant when he added "without Concord".
Jita is iconic for two things: 1: Being the largest trade hub in EVE. 2: Being the most active system in EVE.
Yes, those two things are related, but consider that Thera may well rival (or even surpass) Jita in activity even if it never approaches it as far as trade is concerned.
Also consider that Fozzie may have been simply implying that if Jita were to lose Concord protection for some reason it would quickly turn into nothing more than a slaughter house and most of it's open market activity would quickly cease to exist... much like many are anticipating Thera to become.
The only difference being that while the mayhem in Jita would only last until people established a new trade hub elsewhere, Thera has the added long term appeal of being connected to everywhere for travel and conquest... as well as being an ideal environment for bloodletting in and of itself.
I believe (unless something more is revealed) that thinking of Thera as a trade/industrial hub is somewhat akin to looking to looking through the wrong end of a telescope. Not only are you not seeing the big picture, but you're looking in the wrong direction to see it's true beauty.
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CCP Falcon
9350
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Posted - 2014.11.19 01:53:53 -
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You guys made Jita 4-4 a trade hub, not us.
Before that, you guys made Yulai X a trade hub, not us.
We don't decide where stuff happens, it's up to you guys.
Well, except on the forums, which is why I'm moving this to Features & Ideas Discussion.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1567
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Posted - 2014.11.19 02:09:59 -
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Paynus Maiassus wrote:Yes, freighters will be able to get in and out of the system. Do you know this or are you assuming? I seem to remember someone saying the mass limits on the highsec and lowsec holes was not high enough for them to fit through.
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Max Kolonko
WATAHA. Unseen Wolves
489
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Posted - 2014.11.19 02:23:51 -
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Zappity wrote:Paynus Maiassus wrote:Yes, freighters will be able to get in and out of the system. Do you know this or are you assuming? I seem to remember someone saying the mass limits on the highsec and lowsec holes was not high enough for them to fit through.
He knows this, because he quotes what dev said about it. Ship up to a freighter will be able to use wh's in/from thera, capitals are to big though
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Don't mess with OUR WH's
What is Your stance on WH stuff?
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Saisin
State War Academy Caldari State
195
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Posted - 2014.11.19 03:18:23 -
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I do like the idea of giving specific bonuses to Thera for polarized weapons! Don't care much about walking in stations... +1/2
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3635
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Posted - 2014.11.19 04:09:21 -
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Thera will be a great place to stage fleets of small ships in, then when an exit opens up to an area of nullsec you want to project force into, you ping on alliance Jabber, get everyone to jump clone to Thera and get into one of the harassing ships.
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