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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:29:55 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: You're getting closer to the root issue, go on! Here's a tip: Imagine you got grief decced and decided to stand up and fight. So you fleet up... aaaaaaand find out your target is invulnerable, risk-averse hisec bunny who docks up when your fleet is spotted by neutral scout alt 3 systems away.
Your actions?
If you make a right step, I will give you the next tip!
If they're docked, you can go right back to missioning and mining. Duh. Are you seriously this bad at EVE Online? Oh, and wardecs are not "griefing". Ever. By definition.
You go right back to missioning and mining, and you're hit. By the time you fleet up again they're gone. There's lots of ways to go over a scout, so you are screwed no matter what.
Duh. Are you seriously this bad at EVE Online?
Oh, and current wardecs are "griefing". Absolutely. By definition.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10686
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:31:32 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: You go right back to missioning and mining, and you're hit.
No you're not. You outright said that they're docked 3 jumps away.
You can keep making up imaginary worst case scenarios, but you're tripping over yourself now.
Quote: Oh, and current wardecs are "griefing". Absolutely. By definition.
Please point out how use of a legitimate game mechanic constitutes griefing as per the Terms of Service.
Otherwise you can stop using that lie.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
204
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:35:44 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: Oh, and current wardecs are "griefing". Absolutely. By definition.
From: http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=336
CCP wrote:A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
Maybe you should start a blog about how corporation wars are "griefing" to convince CCP thier policy is wrong. Take some inspiration from this one:
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
501
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:38:49 -
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I'll never understand the hypocrisy of people crying that folks won't undock into them.
"We want good fights" /wont go out of high sec
"We want to affect the economically" /docking them achieves this aim
What they want, is to blow up inexperienced, amateurs and the fact they are not even honest about it is pretty pathetic. You want to do that, fill your boots but at least be honest about it.
The game offers you every opportunity to get everything you complain that people who dock up deny you, yet refuse to go out and take it.
You're sitting back accusing other people of playing the sandbox wrong because they don't want to play it your way and at the same time refusing to alter your playstyle to get to do the things you claim you want to.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10686
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:39:27 -
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Well, that's your entire argument in flames, Basil.
Can I assume we'll stop seeing you use that particular lie?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9056
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:41:26 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: Oh, and current wardecs are "griefing". Absolutely. By definition.
From: http://community.eveonline.com/support/knowledge-base/article.aspx?articleId=336CCP wrote:A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition. Maybe you should start a blog about how corporation wars are "griefing" to convince CCP thier policy is wrong. Take some inspiration from this one: http://gankingisbullying.blogspot.com/
There you go again, injecting actual fact into a discussion when what is important is how something makes someone 'feel' .
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10686
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:42:11 -
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afkalt wrote: No-one gets the right to bear in peace, but no-one gets the right to shoot fish in a barrel either.
Except that with wardecs being toothless thanks to the dec dodge exploit, people can bear in peace with ease.
And that's why this needs fixed.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9056
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:43:46 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Well, that's your entire argument in flames, Basil.
Can I assume we'll stop seeing you use that particular lie?
You'd think that, however, what you will undoubtedly get is: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Backfire_effect
Quote:The backfire effect occurs when, in the face of contradictory evidence, established beliefs do not change but actually get stronger. The effect has been demonstrated experimentally in psychological tests, where subjects are given data that either reinforces or goes against their existing biases - and in most cases people can be shown to increase their confidence in their prior position regardless of the evidence they were faced with.
In a pessimistic sense, this makes most refutations useless.
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2552
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:44:58 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:and lobby for advantages and changes.
Lobbying for advantages and changes, Exhibit A:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Looks like you're the one who needs nerfed, just like I said.
Exhibit B:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Except that with wardecs being toothless thanks to the dec dodge exploit, people can bear in peace with ease.
And that's why this needs fixed.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
62
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:46:09 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:No one is EVE Online "cannot fight back". Everyone has gun skills. It's just that some people think they're above actually bothering to use them.
Why should you get to carebear in peace? Why should you get to effect the economy of the game with no recourse on the part of others?
First of all, let's knock off your "grief" bullshit.
There is no legal game mechanic in EVE Online that consitutues "griefing", and you refusing to put the slightest bit of effort into defending yourselves does not make you victims either.
Secondly, how the **** can you say they have no assets? That's about as obvious a lie as I have ever seen. They're literally flying around in assets. If you want to damage them, here's a thought; try shooting back. Dude, please, read the thread, I don't want to repeat for 8th time. I don't have an issue with war decs, with guns, with interaction, economy, and whatever nonsense you bring. I have an issue with grief decs, which makes trying to fight an invulnerable grief deccer meaningless. Your gun skills do NOTHING to a docked grief deccer, then they do nothing when you are in a barge. I don't say you have no right to shoot a barge, I don't advocate war dec removal, whatever. I just want a meaningful choices on a defender's side. Like suicide ganking - it's definitely out of hand and too easy and lucrative at the moment considering zero risk involved in doing it, but you can meaningfully increase the cost of ganking you the ganker must pay, ganker must expose his ships to CONCORD retribution for his right to gank me, and it carries consequences of kill rights and (removed by tags) sec status. Grief decs carry no downsides, no meaningful options for the defender, and the rational choice in the grief dec situation forces players to do admittedly stupid things like dropping corp or docking for a week. The grief deccer is invulnerable, and it strips the whole meaning from fighting - gun skills do nothing to invulnerable targets.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Stop with your lies. If the attacker is "invulnerable", then the same mechanics permit you to be as well. And if that's the case, then you suffer zero harm from a wardec anyway.
Nevermind that it's not true, because if they are undocked to shoot you, they are in open space and you can shoot back. Stop with your lies. The attacked is "invulnerable" because they have no exposed assets, since his playstyle doesn't require that. On the other hand, most other playstyles do. And saying "you suffer zero hard from wardec" is borderline cretinism (not uncommon among your folk, I believe) - every second you are "being invulnerable" you are losing about 10k ISK x number of accounts "being invulnerable" by not doing whatever you are doing to get that ISK. But creative stuff is clearly outside your intellectual potential, so I dunno if I made any sense. If they are undocked, that means your fleet is not a threat, and they are ready to grief you with no losses. At slightest chance of loss, considering risk-aversity of average hisec griefer bunny, they'd dock up and start the invulnerability.
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:There is no mechanic in this game that gives them "invulnerability" that doesn't also apply equally well to you.
And you also have the benefit of the dec dodge exploit.
Looks like you're the one who needs nerfed, just like I said.
The invulnerability requires a huge ISK loss on the side of the defender and almost to completely no loss on side of the attacker, so no, mechanics do not apply equally. Not like they must, of course, but the current overwhelming bias towards grief deccer must be dealt with.
And you also have the benefit of the free invulnerability exploit. Looks like you're the one who needs rebalance, just like I said. And stop crying about infinite allies, this mechanics if defunct, and all it does is scare you into more invulnerability exploiting while not doing anything meaningful.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10687
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:47:25 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:and lobby for advantages and changes.
Lobbying for advantages and changes, Exhibit A: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Looks like you're the one who needs nerfed, just like I said.
Exhibit B: Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Except that with wardecs being toothless thanks to the dec dodge exploit, people can bear in peace with ease.
And that's why this needs fixed.
An exploit does not get to remain in the game merely because some would benefit from it's removal.
See the POS bowling change for an example.
But meanwhile, I notice that you still give full credence to the people who stand to gain from the current existence of this exploit. They're arguing bitterly to keep their unfair advantage, but you seem to be just fine with that.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9057
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:48:35 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:and lobby for advantages and changes.
Lobbying for advantages and changes, Exhibit A: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Looks like you're the one who needs nerfed, just like I said.
Exhibit B: Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Except that with wardecs being toothless thanks to the dec dodge exploit, people can bear in peace with ease.
And that's why this needs fixed.
You mistake what he's saying by taking it out of context (and the worse part is that you probably know this, which simply makes you a liar). I should no longer be surprised, as you do that to me all day long when I try to help you understand the (many) flaws in your way of thinking.
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2552
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:50:49 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: An exploit does not get to remain in the game merely because some would benefit from it's removal.
See the POS bowling change for an example.
But meanwhile, I notice that you still give full credence to the people who stand to gain from the current existence of this exploit. They're arguing bitterly to keep their unfair advantage, but you seem to be just fine with that.
Dodging a war dec by leaving or dismantling a corp has never been considered an exploit by CCP. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10687
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:53:41 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: An exploit does not get to remain in the game merely because some would benefit from it's removal.
See the POS bowling change for an example.
But meanwhile, I notice that you still give full credence to the people who stand to gain from the current existence of this exploit. They're arguing bitterly to keep their unfair advantage, but you seem to be just fine with that.
Dodging a war dec by leaving or dismantling a corp has never been considered an exploit by CCP.
And for the longest time, POS bowling and/or some other form of it was allowed as well.
Until it wasn't.
That's what I'm arguing for. The intended method to dissolve a wardec is the surrender mechanic. The dec dodge exploit bypasses that basically for free and instantly. That's a textbook exploit.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
62
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:55:32 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:They're arguing bitterly to keep their unfair advantage, but you seem to be just fine with that. Yes, grief deccers keep arguing to keep their invulnerability exploit intact.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10688
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:56:24 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:They're arguing bitterly to keep their unfair advantage, but you seem to be just fine with that. Yes, grief deccers keep arguing to keep their invulnerability exploit intact.
Wardecs are not griefing. You've been shown definitive proof of that already, so cease your lies.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:56:45 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:That's what I'm arguing for. The intended method to dissolve a wardec is the surrender mechanic. The dec dodge exploit bypasses that basically for free and instantly. That's a textbook exploit. Let's make grief decs war decs first, shall we? Then we can consider dodging them an exploit, dodging a grief dec is the only rational thing to do at the moment.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Anslo
Scope Works
22307
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:57:09 -
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If you're insanely rich and have good skills and get decc'd and wanna give fighting back a shot, do this.
Arty Ballermachs Nestors Warp to enemies at like..70+ F1 primary lol hard in local
Some people don't dig pvp and hey, that's perfectly OK. BUT if you're rich, bored, and have a lot of members....try the above. It will produce lolarious results.
Like, volleying Ishtars off field level of lolarious.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10688
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:57:48 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:That's what I'm arguing for. The intended method to dissolve a wardec is the surrender mechanic. The dec dodge exploit bypasses that basically for free and instantly. That's a textbook exploit. Let's make grief decs war decs first, shall we? Then we can consider dodging them an exploit, dodging a grief dec is the only rational thing to do at the moment.
See my post above.
Wardecs are not griefing, they never were, and never are. Cease your lies.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
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Posted - 2014.11.21 16:59:48 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:They're arguing bitterly to keep their unfair advantage, but you seem to be just fine with that. Yes, grief deccers keep arguing to keep their invulnerability exploit intact. Wardecs are not griefing. You've been shown definitive proof of that already, so cease your lies. grief decs are not textbook griefing, it's a name picked for them to differentiate them from war decs. grief decs are used with griefing intentions and are catered by rules which are unbalanced for no good reason towards risk-less gameplay of all the benefit you are willing to claim. It's lack of meaningful options aside from rationally dodging that situation instead of taking some meaningful steps (possibly involving guns) that differentiate a grief dec from war dec.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2552
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:00:34 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: You mistake what he's saying by taking it out of context (and the worse part is that you probably know this, which simply makes you a liar). I should no longer be surprised, as you do that to me all day long when I try to help you understand the (many) flaws in your way of thinking.
You want to talk about my way of thinking? Fine, let's talk about my way of thinking.
I'm going on 5 years of eve now, I have 3 accounts with 7 well trained characters. A war dec will never affect me because I can simply swap to an unaffiliated character in an unaffiliated corp and go about my business, if I have any in hisec in the first place. This is the representative case of most veteran players. No changes to war dec mechanics will ever change this simple truth.
A war dec, then, is simply a tool that affect noobies. Which brings us to the next point:
afkalt wrote: What they want, is to blow up inexperienced, amateurs and the fact they are not even honest about it is pretty pathetic. You want to do that, fill your boots but at least be honest about it.
One wonders why I have no sympathy for the poor deccers. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10688
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:01:04 -
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Basil Pupkin wrote: grief decs are not textbook griefing, it's a name picked for them to differentiate them from war decs. grief decs are used with griefing intentions and are catered by rules which are unbalanced for no good reason towards risk-less gameplay of all the benefit you are willing to claim. It's lack of meaningful options aside from rationally dodging that situation instead of taking some meaningful steps (possibly involving guns) that differentiate a grief dec from war dec.
CCP wrote: A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
Wardecs are never griefing.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
503
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:01:16 -
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Why dont we stop calling it grief decs and start with the accurate term - tear-decs.
Again, nothing wrong with decs for lols - but pretending like that isn't what is being talked about/referred to is fairly disingenuous and detrimental to the discussion. |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
2552
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:03:18 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:PotatoOverdose wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: An exploit does not get to remain in the game merely because some would benefit from it's removal.
See the POS bowling change for an example.
But meanwhile, I notice that you still give full credence to the people who stand to gain from the current existence of this exploit. They're arguing bitterly to keep their unfair advantage, but you seem to be just fine with that.
Dodging a war dec by leaving or dismantling a corp has never been considered an exploit by CCP. [...] The dec dodge exploit bypasses that basically for free and instantly. That's a textbook exploit. So do high sp alts. What's your point? |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
62
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:04:38 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Basil Pupkin wrote: grief decs are not textbook griefing, it's a name picked for them to differentiate them from war decs. grief decs are used with griefing intentions and are catered by rules which are unbalanced for no good reason towards risk-less gameplay of all the benefit you are willing to claim. It's lack of meaningful options aside from rationally dodging that situation instead of taking some meaningful steps (possibly involving guns) that differentiate a grief dec from war dec.
CCP wrote: A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersGÇÖ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition.
Wardecs are never griefing.
grief decs are not textbook griefing, it's a name picked for them to differentiate them from war decs. grief decs are used with griefing intentions and are catered by rules which are unbalanced for no good reason towards risk-less gameplay of all the benefit you are willing to claim. It's lack of meaningful options aside from rationally dodging that situation instead of taking some meaningful steps (possibly involving guns) that differentiate a grief dec from war dec.
It's really hard to read, isn't it?
Nonconsensual combat is fine, I never said otherwise. However, we have a situation where the issue is NOT non-consensual combat, but lack of meaningful options on defender's side, and invulnerability exploit on the grief deccers side. Deal with those, and it will clear all issues and we may forget the term "grief dec" we used to name those points.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10689
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:08:04 -
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There is no such thing as a "grief dec".
Get it yet? There is no circumstance in which declaring war is griefing. It is always a legitimate game mechanic.
Take your made up terms elsewhere, we're talking about wardecs in this thread.
Quote: However, we have a situation where the issue is NOT non-consensual combat, but lack of meaningful options on defender's side, and invulnerability exploit on the grief deccers side.
Except that both of those are outright lies.
There are plenty of things a defender can do, and the aggressor is not magically invincible in any way.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
62
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:11:03 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:There is no such thing as a "grief dec". Get it yet? There is no circumstance in which declaring war is griefing. It is always a legitimate game mechanic. Take your made up terms elsewhere, we're talking about wardecs in this thread. Quote: However, we have a situation where the issue is NOT non-consensual combat, but lack of meaningful options on defender's side, and invulnerability exploit on the grief deccers side.
Except that both of those are outright lies. There are plenty of things a defender can do, and the aggressor is not magically invincible in any way.
There are plenty of things a defender can do, and only one of them is rational, despite being negative to both grief deccer and defender - dodge the grief dec. The rest of the options are irrational, inefficient, and the best they can do is give risk-averse grief bunnies some good scare, but no losses, due to invulnerability exploit of sitting on Jita undock. Stop calling obvious things lies, they won't be less true no matter how many clueless people like you call them wrong.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
292
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:11:19 -
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As long as wardeccs can be beaten by docking up and playing on alts...what purpose do they have? And how would you propose to stop that elite pvp tactic? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9057
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:11:57 -
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PotatoOverdose wrote: You want to talk about my way of thinking? Fine, let's talk about my way of thinking.
Lets.
Quote: I'm going on 5 years of eve now, I have 3 accounts with 7 well trained characters. A war dec will never affect me because I can simply swap to an unaffiliated character in an unaffiliated corp and go about my business, if I have any in hisec in the first place. This is the representative case of most veteran players. No changes to war dec mechanics will ever change this simple truth.
A war dec, then, is simply a tool that affect noobies. Which brings us to the next point:
Even if that's the case (it's not), what's the problem with that? EVE tends to follow 'reality' when it comes to conflict (unlike themepark games which mechanically shield players for the realities of conflict). The reality here is that the strong pick on the weak, their is no 'honor', and the best thing you can do is learn the rules of gunfighting.
My favorite EVE quote comes from Malcanis: "EVE Online: A game where you start out as a child in park full of pedophiles. If you're smart and ruthless, eventually you become one of the pedophiles".
It's ok that some people don't like that kind of game, but they are then playing the wrong kind of game. "think of the children" people like you would see CCP water down the game to be 'more fair' to these types and that's not what EVE is or needs.
Quote: One wonders why I have no sympathy for the poor deccers.
That's another part of your problem, you think in terms of like or dislike. I don't give a damn about the deccers (or gankers or scammers0 one way or another. i care about the integrity of the game, and it's original (harsh, dystopian and thus ENJOYABLE) vision. a vision being eroded slowly by bleeding heart type people who defend the kinds of weakness displayed by too many high sec forum posters.
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Anslo
Scope Works
22308
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Posted - 2014.11.21 17:13:17 -
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If not Ballermachs, NaPocs. Lots of NaPocs.
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