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Marlakh
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.28 02:28:00 -
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Besides being the source of POS fuel and future battlegrounds of Dust 514, planets form an important backdrop for much of Eve's official and capsuleer-related stories. It seems strange that their names should remain as mundane as "Huola VII" or "Assah V". I believe that it is timely for capsuleers to be allowed to name the planets that have meaning for them, but within a certain framework, as proposed below:
A player puts up a post in this section, or a dedicated section of this forum, titled "Rename Planet Huola VII as Karnell's Hope". This is followed by a short write-up in the main text describing why that name was deemed appropriate.
Players are then given 1 month to "like" or "dislike" this post, and to post alternative names in the same thread. Whichever name gets the greatest number of "likes" will be accepted after this period. If the initial name gets more dislikes without another being suggested, then it is not accepted until another submission is made in a new thread. A CCP dev shall then close this thread by announcing the winning entry.
The names are subject to CCP's final review of the proposal with respect to Eve backstory and suitability. Obviously, offensive or objectionable names are not to be accepted, as per standards in the EULA. The selected name is then updated at the next opportunity when CCP updates the celestial database.
Basic planet info shall not change in the Neocom and maps, but is reflected as for example "Huola VII (Karnell's Hope)"
Comments or suggestions please? Please excuse me if this has been posted before.
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Mfume Apocal
Origin. Black Legion.
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Posted - 2011.11.28 02:34:00 -
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The "time to *****" on this is roughly what it takes to type a few chars and press enter. It might not be in English, but I promise you there will be planets named after genitals. |
Marlakh
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.28 03:01:00 -
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Mfume Apocal wrote:The "time to *****" on this is roughly what it takes to type a few chars and press enter. It might not be in English, but I promise you there will be planets named after genitals.
Hence I mentioned that the final right is reserved by CCP to prevent such an abuse. CCP may also exercise their right to impose a temp ban on a player for repeated offenses in the suggestions of planetary names. |
Mu'ad Diib
The Mighty
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Posted - 2011.11.28 03:33:00 -
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I tend to agree with Mfume Apocal here.
Having said this, I do think that your idea has some merit.
On the basis that CCP would have a final veto, (to avoid a planet called *****) maybe there should be some kind of trial run to see what people came up with? I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.28 03:43:00 -
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Whilst it might be novel to apply names, your making a large assumption that CCP wants to invest time into changing and checking literally thousands of planets. This also includes auditing that everything is covered. Especially with having to read write ups. Also you have ommitted moons, asteroid belts etc. so you can potentially compound the problem further.
Nice idea I suppose in theory but seems very impractical to do. |
Marlakh
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:02:00 -
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Thanks, Mu'ad Diib and Grumpy, for your inputs.
I see your concerns. However, as always, CCP has complete control of the pace of implementation. They can start with one region, before going to another, and so on. And at this stage, we should limit this to planet naming, as there are already more than we can handle from this exercise.
What I see is the main advantage of this is that we will be helping CCP come up with names, and providing (hopefully) valid reasons for them. Some explanations that come with the names can even be pasted into the info box of each planet to explain their history and relevance.
Imagine....after Dust comes about, we wil refer to the epic "Battle for Ventara Prime, YC 115", instead of "Battle over some barren rock ball TZ-74M III"
In any case, naming planets is but a first step towards giving them real value and relevance to our existence in New Eden. For some excellent suggestions on their potential, I refer you to Asuka Solo's excellent suggestions. |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:22:00 -
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Assuming they go with the idea.
Do you know the maximum character string length?
Do you know the recommended string length so as to make overview reading practical? (remembering moons, asteroids and stations etc.)
Any recommendations for not linking with other fiction work and/or ethical, moral standards for naming conventions and lore descriptions?
Hopefully, sensible checks that the planet details conform to type or make sense?, e.g: Suddenly no farming communities on lava planets?
Who and how will keep a log and check for conflicts?
Will it be a first come, first served system?
Will descriptions hopefully be checked to avoid any lore "invention"? And who therefore will check and define valid application of lore?
Really think you might be underestimating how demanding this might be of CCP's time.
Personally I'd prefer to put cosmetic stuff like this on the back burner if it means more relevant work to gameplay can be achieved. And yes I'm a proponent of function over form I suppose by saying this, but then that's my point of view. |
Marlakh
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:55:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote: Really think you might be underestimating how demanding this might be of CCP's time.
Personally I'd prefer to put cosmetic stuff like this on the back burner if it means more relevant work to gameplay can be achieved. And yes I'm a proponent of function over form I suppose by saying this, but then that's my point of view.
Thanks. Frankly its really not a priority now, and CCP does have many more important things to worry about. In view of the demanding scope, I'd say a staged implementation is the best. But ultimately a name lends ownership to the planets, not to mention ease of referencing them (when enough people know about a certain planet(s))
I'll try to address your queries, to my limited and best ability:
Quote:Do you know the maximum character string length?
Nope. It may be as long (or short, depending on your view) as existing limits for names of ships, POS, etc.
Quote:Do you know the recommended string length so as to make overview reading practical? (remembering moons, asteroids and stations etc.)
Nope. But since "Tash Murkon Prime I" is allowed, I'll be pretty happy with that length
Quote:Any recommendations for not linking with other fiction work and/or ethical, moral standards for naming conventions and lore descriptions?
Please refer to this link for naming conventions. Not re-inventing the wheel here. |
Marlakh
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.28 06:59:00 -
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Quote:Hopefully, sensible checks that the planet details conform to type or make sense?, e.g: Suddenly no farming communities on lava planets?
Yes, certainly. This is part of the scrutiny process and I admit it will be a challenge. But CCP has volunteers like ISD staff, so the Devs and GMs are certainly not alone in filtering out the inappropriate descriptions. (Edit: it certainly depends on what you're "farming" on lava planets...fire imps? )
Quote:Who and how will keep a log and check for conflicts?
I'm *assuming* CCP has an internal process for doing so. Certainly names (even similar ones) will have to undergo this vetting.
Quote:Will it be a first come, first served system?
Yes, that was my intent. But any alternate names may be posted in the same thread, no later than, say, 1 week after the OP, to be regarded as a valid challenger.
Quote:Will descriptions hopefully be checked to avoid any lore "invention"? And who therefore will check and define valid application of lore?
Hopefully, yes. I hope that the Contents team (or ISD Mercury) can help in this aspect. Certainly there may be volunteers (especially contributors in the Eve FIction section) who would be more than willing to assist.
Cheers! |
Obsidiana
White-Noise
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Posted - 2011.11.29 03:02:00 -
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Pop Quiz: What planet number is the Amarr home world?
Ok, ok, it isn't a huge deal, but the system naming method is just more practical. I'm in favor of just a few worlds having special names, but so few that they are good trivia questions. |
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Marlakh
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.29 05:28:00 -
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Obsidiana wrote:Pop Quiz: What planet number is the Amarr home world?
Ok, ok, it isn't a huge deal, but the system naming method is just more practical. I'm in favor of just a few worlds having special names, but so few that they are good trivia questions.
Gosh, I don't know the answer to pop quiz! Which kinda proves my point
Well, is there a reason our ancient home planet is called Earth, and not referred to as Sol III ? |
Grumpy Owly
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.11.29 18:55:00 -
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Marlakh wrote:Obsidiana wrote:Pop Quiz: What planet number is the Amarr home world?
Ok, ok, it isn't a huge deal, but the system naming method is just more practical. I'm in favor of just a few worlds having special names, but so few that they are good trivia questions. Gosh, I don't know the answer to pop quiz! Which kinda proves my point Well, is there a reason our ancient home planet is called Earth, and not referred to as Sol III ?
Well considering that the Etymology of the word derives from the soil from our feet and that the Earth wasn't even considered as a planet until circa 1400's to even allow origins for a logical/scientific definition of third rock from the sun, it kind of makes sense why Earth has been given it's name? |
Pelador Rova
Blackstar Privateer Consortium
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:09:00 -
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Funnily enough although there is no official recognised convention for extra solar planets, the EvE system is not in any way disimilar to some of the systems used in the astronomical community currently. It is really only planets that are importantly unique or prototypical that actually receive "nicknames".
However, I can see the desire some may have to have a more "homely" name to apply to a planet as opposed to some kind of astronomical nomeclature. Wether that means that every one of the tens of thousands of celetial bodies needs a specific name is rather open to question however, especially given the vast majority of mundane similar planets and objects that are not considered to be significantly populated. |
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