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CCP Phantom
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:05:59 -
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Large changes ahead! Market data will be available via CREST, either via public or authed CREST depending on the actual data. Information regarding the market organization, regions etc. will be available fully via public CREST. Regional sell and buy orders will be available authed CREST.
All the juicy information with specific examples and explanations is available in CCP FoxFour's latest devsite blog Nom nom tasty market data! - check it out!
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Xinryu
NEXUS Financial
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:12:48 -
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Delicious
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3698
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:12:58 -
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Lets get this party started! :D
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3698
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:13:41 -
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Also, if you want to get an idea of what the output from this will be: https://gist.github.com/Regner/78557321ccf4a61ee342
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:16:01 -
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When I first heard that you guys had the long term goal of eliminating the IGB, I was most worried about the elimination of being able to scrape the client side cache for market data, as current methods use the IGB heavily to get it in an efficient manner. I'm glad to report that all my fears were completely unfounded. Thank you so much for this consideration.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:17:09 -
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Score. I was hoping this would rear its head sooner rather than later. Keep up the good work!
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3699
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:17:44 -
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Querns wrote:When I first heard that you guys had the long term goal of eliminating the IGB, I was most worried about the elimination of being able to scrape the client side cache for market data, as current methods use the IGB heavily to get it in an efficient manner. I'm glad to report that all my fears were completely unfounded. Thank you so much for this consideration.
YAY! Finally! People are starting to see the light! I have always said, the IGB will be removed once CREST can replace it. So... HELL YEA! Getting closer! :D
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
1572
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:36:55 -
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I don't know what to think of this
i always liked the fact that only those who invested time knew about the opportunities in the less popular regions.
now it's anyone with advanced coding knowledge or a tool made by someone else :(
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:40:15 -
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Gilbaron wrote:I don't know what to think of this
i always liked the fact that only those who invested time knew about the opportunities in the less popular regions.
now it's anyone with advanced coding knowledge or a tool made by someone else :(
Or people who used eve central, when someone who looked in less popular regions was using evemon
I'm working up a library for this. It's going to be a touch cheap and nasty, but it /should/ work.
Woo! CSM 9!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Nyctef
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
101
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:42:21 -
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Is this still cached every 24 hours? I think EVE-Central still has the advantage there |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3699
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:42:54 -
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Nyctef wrote:Is this still cached every 24 hours? I think EVE-Central still has the advantage there
HA! This is cached for 5 minutes. Advantage what now?
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Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:48:24 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Gilbaron wrote:I don't know what to think of this
i always liked the fact that only those who invested time knew about the opportunities in the less popular regions.
now it's anyone with advanced coding knowledge or a tool made by someone else :( Or people who used eve central, when someone who looked in less popular regions was using evemon I'm working up a library for this. It's going to be a touch cheap and nasty, but it /should/ work.
sure, but eve-central never really had a good and reliable dataset even for the most important items. it was always lacking and that was a good thing.
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Nyctef
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.11.20 15:50:34 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Nyctef wrote:Is this still cached every 24 hours? I think EVE-Central still has the advantage there HA! This is cached for 5 minutes. Advantage what now?
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Max Kolonko
WATAHA. Unseen Wolves
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Posted - 2014.11.20 16:45:52 -
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Why do we pass type as uri to markettypes crest instead of just adding /type/1245 at the end of uri?
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.20 17:01:37 -
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Max Kolonko wrote:Why do we pass type as uri to markettypes crest instead of just adding /type/1245 at the end of uri?
I will probably add an id parameter as well, but defiantly not as part of the URI.
The reason for this not being part of the URI though is because we never want you constructing URIs. Adding a parameter yes, but constructing them no. You should be able to get to everything by following links from the root of the API. In this case it's go to the regions, get links to the region markets. Then get a list of all types on the market and pass the link to that type as a parameter to the regions market link you got early. In that flow you never construct a URI. One of the big advantages of this is that if we ever decide to change the route to a resource, such as moving the types from /types/ to /inventory/types/ which I just did today, you would not have to ever update your application. Because you got the links from CREST and never constructed a URI it would all just work.
Hope that makes sense.
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Sven Viko VIkolander
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.20 17:02:58 -
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This is pretty awesome, but I am confused why this data is being released. I thought Foxfour et al were opposed to making pubic any data sets that might negatively impact current gameplay styles? For instance, Foxfour et al decided not to make all killmails public, partly because some players, apparently, liked to prevent some of their kills/losses from reaching public boards. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.20 17:09:41 -
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Sven Viko VIkolander wrote:This is pretty awesome, but I am confused why this data is being released. I thought Foxfour et al were opposed to making pubic any data sets that might negatively impact current gameplay styles? For instance, Foxfour et al decided not to make all killmails public, partly because some players, apparently, liked to prevent some of their kills/losses from reaching public boards. How does releasing market data negatively impact yours or anyone's current gameplay style?
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2014.11.20 17:15:34 -
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I'm with Gilbaron: I don't like it at all.
eve-central gives a good overview of how current prices generally are, number of orders, etc but not much more. Unless you're in a market hub region, the data is often outdated and you can't blindly rely on it. Even in market hub regions, less traded items don't have near realtime data available. There is always the element of uncertainty and you can often look through the market in less visited regions and find something nice and cheap that nobody else has seen so far. This will be a thing of the past.
Even with order data only available to authed CREST users with a certain rate limit: what's stopping them from just piping the data through to the EVE Market Data Relay network? It will be available to everybody in realtime and it will only take a certain number of people to cover the whole market in all regions, depending on how the rate limit will look like.
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Sven Viko VIkolander
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
304
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Posted - 2014.11.20 17:19:47 -
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Querns wrote:Sven Viko VIkolander wrote:This is pretty awesome, but I am confused why this data is being released. I thought Foxfour et al were opposed to making pubic any data sets that might negatively impact current gameplay styles? For instance, Foxfour et al decided not to make all killmails public, partly because some players, apparently, liked to prevent some of their kills/losses from reaching public boards. How does releasing market data negatively impact yours or anyone's current gameplay style?
Some traders do a lot of research on markets to find the best trades across regions. Currently, the data on sites like eve central is spotty at best for any non-major trade hub, requiring in-game work. I doubt this will affect my play styles in any way, and it will benefit most people, but then again when it came to public kill information it was largely the complaints of a very small group of players that seemed to sway against making the data public. When public market data was suggested in the past at times like fanfest there were also some worries raised about whether this will make running market bots easier. |
Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.20 17:20:23 -
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As is customary for all devblogs containing a significant boon to the community, I must ask for more GÇö-ácould the initial volume of the order in question be exposed?
For example, I start a buy order for 20 good posts, and then, shockingly, someone is able to sell me a good post. They are very rare indeed. My order then goes to 19/20 good posts. However, the gist doesn't have a property for the initial order volume of 20.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.20 17:26:11 -
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Sven Viko VIkolander wrote:Querns wrote:Sven Viko VIkolander wrote:This is pretty awesome, but I am confused why this data is being released. I thought Foxfour et al were opposed to making pubic any data sets that might negatively impact current gameplay styles? For instance, Foxfour et al decided not to make all killmails public, partly because some players, apparently, liked to prevent some of their kills/losses from reaching public boards. How does releasing market data negatively impact yours or anyone's current gameplay style? Some traders do a lot of research on markets to find the best trades across regions. Currently, the data on sites like eve central is spotty at best for any non-major trade hub, requiring in-game work. I doubt this will affect my play styles in any way, and it will benefit most people, but then again when it came to public kill information it was largely the complaints of a very small group of players that seemed to sway against making the data public. When public market data was suggested in the past at times like fanfest there were also some worries raised about whether this will make running market bots easier. Considering that the alternative of using the IGB to prime the client's cache to be scraped is being eliminated, I would think that folks would be grateful for a way to continue culling market data for regional arbitrage. I mean, what's the alternative? No market data at all?
One thing is definitely for certain GÇö-áeliminating cache scraping will unimpeachably harm automated pricing alerts. Note that I didn't say "bot" specifically GÇö-áthere is a perfectly legal way to use the IGB to continually poll orders, then have an alert be raised or a sound played, alerting a flesh and blood user when their orders have been undercut. With a five minute cache timer (and indeed no guarantee that the market data in question is even relatively current; it could very easily be delayed) you will see a marked reduction in automatic price updates.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Thorbit Klefman
AlpacaWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.20 17:34:36 -
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would like to request access to this to test, sisi clientid: ca7b1206e7e94dd9b0fa1976ab379b64 named "AlpacaWaffe Test" |
Fiesertyp Lennelluc
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.20 17:37:56 -
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I'd like to get access, too
appname: HyperCRESTTest ID on sisi: 3a474b8137f7413b92812c8bce96b054 |
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3702
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Posted - 2014.11.20 17:45:07 -
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Thorbit Klefman wrote:would like to request access to this to test, sisi clientid: ca7b1206e7e94dd9b0fa1976ab379b64 named "AlpacaWaffe Test"
Done
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.20 17:45:47 -
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Fiesertyp Lennelluc wrote:I'd like to get access, too
appname: HyperCRESTTest ID on sisi: 3a474b8137f7413b92812c8bce96b054
Done
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Turk Fezzik
Dem Durrty Boyz General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.20 18:14:33 -
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Sign me up.
TURKTESTAPP_WINPHONE8.1 907a4993e1c84ca483a8ab80bd1a3bdb |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2014.11.20 18:28:56 -
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Just so it's here:
I'm working up a php class to hide all the nasty crest bits away, so you can just say 'gimme data' and it does. An initial draft is in the following gist. https://gist.github.com/fuzzysteve/78c8952afc3d70d5f388
It's fairly clean, requiring a refresh token (when you sign in, asking for the scope, you'll be given one), and following the paths through from the base url.
I'll be expanding it, and putting it into a composer based system at some point in the nearish future. Along with a little code you can use to generate your refresh token. It would also be possible to just use a regular oauth login, which stores that token, and hands it over.
Woo! CSM 9!
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Zifrian
Licentia Ex Vereor
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Posted - 2014.11.20 18:38:20 -
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It seems like your target audience for this is websites? I guess I'm wondering who will use this and why. If it's an industry or market site, then they would likely want all the data for the entire game. Limited data is helpful but users generally like all kinds of crazy stuff. I guess you can limit that but then, why use this resource when you can use Eve central?
I'm confused of the value for this sort of thing if you limit it. If you don't then I don't see how it doesn't replace Eve central. Heck even if you do, what's stopping five people from splitting up the data pulls across the entire maket? What's to stop a webpage from just replicating the data? And if they don't, why would anyone go to eve central when they can just use the website that has access to this data?
I may be missing the point here but what I'm confused in what the goal is. What is wrong with the status quo that this solves? My biggest worry is it screws up eve central and then I'm left with bumpkis for prices in my app...and several years of a hobby project down the drain.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.20 18:47:34 -
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Turk Fezzik wrote:Sign me up.
TURKTESTAPP_WINPHONE8.1 907a4993e1c84ca483a8ab80bd1a3bdb
Done
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Ydnari
Estrale Frontiers Project Wildfire
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Posted - 2014.11.20 18:54:37 -
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Quote:Web sites such as EVE Central and their APIs will be around for a long time to come. We are however fairly hopeful EVEMon can stop cache scraping after this.
So it's going to be OK for EVE Central to read from the CREST endpoint, and offer that data out through its existing APIs?
EVEMon cache scraping is where it gets the vast majority of its data from right now.
my teapot is ready
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