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Bite Myarse
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.20 18:37:59 -
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Hi everyone.
So you have all noticed that plex prices are getting abit on the ridiculous side 1 billion isk in jita currently as of this post. Now not every person in eve can afford that each month and have isk to spend on doing their own little thing.
I have spoken to 100 people plus. And 80% of them agree with me that plex prices are forcing people to either spend real money via subscription or going to various websites to get plex's, now obviously this doesnt effect the people in eve that are established and making multi billions of isk a month. To them i say this doesnt really apply to you.
But at one point in the game when you thought plex prices were hard to reach and it sucked. Alot of people i have met on my travel's in eve and i have spoken to have either already or are going to leave multiple accounts to go offline until plex prices level out at something more reasonable.
My idea will upset a massive number of people who thrive on selling plex's and selling isk out of game (you know who you are) but CCP seed plex's in every market hub at say 500mil each with a unlimited amount so they cannot all be bought out and the same situation happens again or put say 5000 in each market hub and every week rest the buy order to a default quantity of say 5000 to stop people buying them all and making isk which in turn is forcing some players in eve to stop playing and move on.
If this was implemented i am 100% sure that people would come back to the game, reactivate accounts create new accounts etc and CCP would in turn make more money from it and more and more people could enjoy the game.
I know full well im going to get alot of hate for this post but im not bothered im only speaking for a vast number of people in game or out of game that have left. Plex prices need to be fixed at a reasonable price or people will continue to leave it.
Fly safe all and start the hatemail ;p o7 |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.11.20 19:12:44 -
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It's called supply and demand.
You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.
Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really?
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2014.11.20 19:23:30 -
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While prices do need to come down ccp will not seed plexs like that, plexes are bought with really money and used or set on market Ccps attempt to flood the market as failed and while I used to lime the company when it was a game company and not a business my alts that I finally got after years of not having any are inactive as prices exceeded 850m and looking at 1b now will stay offline with my own possible deactivation not having time to getisk needed. My alts went offline at the turn of the new loot compression nerd that killed the excess profit from a mission for it
Ccp tried and it failed as the small number of people that can own the market can kill all attempts
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.20 19:26:52 -
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Bite Myarse wrote:Tears and tears. Complains about price. Wants CCP to make changes and control the market. Makes other suggestions that are terrible. Tears.
O look this thread again. |
Bite Myarse
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.20 19:32:16 -
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i can afford the 1 bil a month for both my accounts i am just simply highlighting a common topic discussed in eve and a effect that the prices are having on the actual players the people who bring money in for CCP.
Its not in my interest to cry and moan about such a thing as i do market trading myself but i still believe that as not everyone can afford 1 billion a month or spend all month just to get it to restart again out of all the things that people control on the market PLEX shouldn't be one of them. |
Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.20 19:36:22 -
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The problem with these threads is it the same thing everytime. Make a solution for CCP oppose to complaining about it. Also this is more of a feedback and ideas thread than anything. |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.20 20:40:33 -
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CCP has repeatedly said that they will not directly manipulate the price of Plex on the market. If they feel the price is changing too rapidly, they will act to control that rate of change, but not the actual prices themselves.
Personally I just converted my last account over to $$ and am selling off my stored plex for ISK.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice TSOE Consortium
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Posted - 2014.11.21 13:51:53 -
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Mag's wrote:It's called supply and demand.
You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.
Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really?
Well, buying PLEX with your RL money then selling it on the market is practically RMTing. You just used RL money to acquire in-game currency. That's what the raw definition of RMT is.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2014.11.21 14:19:42 -
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Sylphy wrote:Mag's wrote:It's called supply and demand.
You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.
Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really? Well, buying PLEX with your RL money then selling it on the market is practically RMTing. You just used RL money to acquire in-game currency. That's what the raw definition of RMT is.
that and reversing the flow which as i understand was attempted by another group
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.21 15:24:53 -
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Sylphy wrote:Mag's wrote:It's called supply and demand.
You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.
Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really? Well, buying PLEX with your RL money then selling it on the market is practically RMTing. You just used RL money to acquire in-game currency. That's what the raw definition of RMT is.
The difference, of course, being that it is the only form of RMT expressly permitted by CCP, so long as the PLEX are purchased from them (or an authorized reseller).
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.11.21 21:14:22 -
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Sylphy wrote:Mag's wrote:It's called supply and demand.
You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.
Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really? Well, buying PLEX with your RL money then selling it on the market is practically RMTing. You just used RL money to acquire in-game currency. That's what the raw definition of RMT is. I disagree, but see you need to qualify your idea with the word 'practically'. But then there is the point that people RMT to make money, not spend it. Don't they? Or are you confusing MT with this? But even that isn't the same.
But I digress, as that wasn't my point to the OP. He suggests the following:
Bite Myarse wrote:My idea will upset a massive number of people who thrive on selling plex's and selling isk out of game.... So what is he suggesting here? That people buy plex with RL monies (or ISK), then sell said plex for (or back to) ISK, then convert said ISK back to RL cash? Not forgetting the risk of perm bans and for what? I've not done the calculations, but.......
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
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Posted - 2014.11.21 22:55:23 -
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Quote:Mike Azariah - You are still monitoring the price of PLEX, I assume. Are you still following Dr EyjoGÇÖs approch that as long as it is not going fast it is okay. CCP Thomas - I am doing it a bit different. I am motoring PLEX prices and who uses them for subscription in contrast to that. If PLEX prices rise high and users stay stable IGÇÖm not to worried. Not just sale and turnover. Mynnna - Where is the point where people just say nope, no more? CCP Thomas - Not yet Sugar - Have people been using it or have they been hoarding it? People use it as gold. Are they buying and subbing or buying and hoarding? CCP Thomas - Some of both. Mynnna - On the transactions up there each PLEX gets sold several times Mike Azariah - Have you tracked how many the times the individual plex is buy and sold before it turns into a subscription CCP Greyscale - The item ID does not work that way CCP Thomas - We have not made any intervention with the PLEX market. The only thing we have done are our regular sales. - summer minutes CSM9 source
We asked and discussed this topic before. Probably will again. But no, I do not support the OP
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Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
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Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.23 02:05:05 -
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so... if we unsub some of our alts that run on plex, they will take notice?
Also can we push for less npc alts posting incendiary threads in forums? Npc corp alts shouldn't have rights.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.24 08:08:02 -
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Sylphy wrote:Mag's wrote:It's called supply and demand.
You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.
Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really? Well, buying PLEX with your RL money then selling it on the market is practically RMTing. You just used RL money to acquire in-game currency. That's what the raw definition of RMT is.
No, you just used real money to acquire game time.
RIP Richard A. Butt
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.24 08:10:57 -
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Bite Myarse wrote:If this was implemented i am 100% sure that people would come back to the game, reactivate accounts create new accounts etc and CCP would in turn make more money from it and more and more people could enjoy the game.
You're asking CCP to give away free game time & in the same sentence saying that CCP would make more money for doing this.
RIP Richard A. Butt
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.24 15:59:44 -
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Amyclas Amatin wrote: Also can we push for less npc alts posting incendiary threads in forums? Npc corp alts shouldn't have rights.
Only if we can also take the same rights away from the elitist bell ends that live out in nullsec.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2014.11.24 17:31:49 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Amyclas Amatin wrote: Also can we push for less npc alts posting incendiary threads in forums? Npc corp alts shouldn't have rights.
Only if we can also take the same rights away from the elitist bell ends that live out in nullsec.
Thanks for admitting that NPCs are bad for the forum. If you don't like something someone in a player corp says, do something about it in-game.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2014.11.24 18:05:02 -
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Sylphy wrote:Mag's wrote:It's called supply and demand.
You don't seem to understand how a plex is created and how bad your idea is because of that.
Also wat? Are you suggesting people buy a plex in order to RMT? Really? Well, buying PLEX with your RL money then selling it on the market is practically RMTing. You just used RL money to acquire in-game currency. That's what the raw definition of RMT is.
Actually... you have it reverse. If you sell ISK for RL money you are RMTing. If you buy ISK with RL money, you are soliciting RMT (it is basically the same paradigm as prostitution).
PLEX was designed to fight RMT by offering an alternative that... - would be legal - would create a "closed loop" between players and CCP in terms of money and in-game efforts
In this respect, PLEX has greatly succeeded.
However it seems that some players have come to depend on PLEX as some sort of lifeline... which it was never designed to be.
Honestly... PLEX is a "nice to have" thing and should never be a "I need it to keep playing" deal. If you cannot afford a piddling $15 a month sub then you have more pressing issues in RL than a game.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 06:19:44 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:(it is basically the same paradigm as prostitution)
There's nothing wrong with a little prostitution.
RIP Richard A. Butt
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2014.11.25 17:35:28 -
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Syllviaa wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:(it is basically the same paradigm as prostitution) There's nothing wrong with a little prostitution. Depends on where you live.
Selling and buying is illegal in most of the US. Selling and buying is illegal in China, but enforcement is (at best) lax. Selling is legal, but buying is not in Sweeden. Selling and buying are more or less legal in Germany.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:45:17 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Syllviaa wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:(it is basically the same paradigm as prostitution) There's nothing wrong with a little prostitution. Depends on where you live. Selling and buying is illegal in most of the US. Selling and buying is illegal in China, but enforcement is (at best) lax. Selling is legal, but buying is not in Sweeden. Selling and buying are more or less legal in Germany.
I live in a civilized modern society that doesn't oppress women.
RIP Richard A. Butt
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Michael Ruckert
SECURE TRANSPORTS
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Posted - 2014.11.26 04:40:38 -
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Follow the Rules of Ferengi Acquisition and you will have plenty of PLEX:
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Madeleine Lemmont
Divide et Impera DE
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:40:00 -
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Do not buy Plex InGame anymore. Do it for Dollars or whatever your currency is... Lower the demand InGame. And stop this stupid f***** Plex-Spam everywhere.
There's nothing wrong with a living market. Nobody should request market manipulations for his own advantage. I have no Plex. I use no Plex. Easiest way to avoid disadvantages.
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Charles Lowell
Milone Trade Corporation
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Posted - 2014.11.28 06:10:57 -
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The plex are an in game item and the prices should be treated like any other in game item. Your ability to use fictional in game currency to buy game time is a matter of convince. If you can not pay real money to play a single account for EvE then you have other issues then Plex prices.
Of course if people stop using plex to buy game time and then drop since they can't afford the Real money fee then CCP may re-examine their fee's - as that is how supply and demand works.
So....bad idea all around.
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