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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
222
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Posted - 2015.02.11 07:07:22 -
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Jandice Ymladris wrote:I believe that Sansha's Nation will have something to add to all of this before it's all over. I think they just want a piece of jovians high tech. I wouldn't believe a puppet master.
"...genre is a definition, the definition in itself must have boundaries, the boundaries act as barriers, and the barriers are like walls, like the walls of a prisonn++..."
The Good, The Bad and The Bantam
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6211
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Posted - 2015.02.11 07:14:34 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:Jandice Ymladris wrote:I believe that Sansha's Nation will have something to add to all of this before it's all over. I think they just want a piece of jovians high tech. I wouldn't believe a puppet master.
Sansha Kuvakei once posted in the IGS forum. Maybe the role players might ask him.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
5
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Posted - 2015.02.11 10:09:22 -
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Thinking of balance and Yin Yang, the struggle between Individuality and Collectivity is one of the two themes we face with some frequency, and in different shades.
Capsuleers are the paramount of individuality, we come and go as we please, we wreck havoc to millions and the universe is shaped for better or worst depending simply on our mood.
On the other side, the Jove have manipulated their each uniqueness so much that they became detached from any other thing and wither alone even in groups.
Sleepers are a harmonic collective that live in a utopian world where there is no need for an individualistic manifestation and everyone is cool with their connectivity detached from the "real" world.
The Sansha are a collective created out of force and control, you have an individual pulling the strings and sharing the mind of millions and calling it enlightenment.
What if some of the Jove and some of the Sleepers decided to embrace a little bit of each others characteristics, out of necessity and adaptability to survive, and trough Sansha tech (probably stolen, wormholes with their presence show they got slaughtered by something or someone) they now we have highly augmented individual manifestations of a collective purpose? After all, the Jove were dying of depression and the Sleepers well.... we ARE committing genocide against them and their guards.
The capsuleer tech is based on the scanning of our brains at the moment of death, and uploading it to a new clone. There are several ways of bad thing happening in this process, such as what happened to Fatal of the Guristas or failing to activate a clone altogether.
It-¦s like a download from a single server to another server.
What if the Drifters are using a highly sophisticated P2P process where the physical bodies are not the servers, but simply a terminal where the manifestation of the conscience that is safely guarded on the collective and ready to present itself in any other body the moment they wish so?
This seems highly adaptable, and makes the best of both worlds (individual and collective) available to them.
And yet, there-¦s still the question of what do they want to do with it..... |
Komodo Askold
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
290
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Posted - 2015.02.11 12:22:19 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:What if the Drifters are using a highly sophisticated P2P process where the physical bodies are not the servers, but simply a terminal where the manifestation of the conscience that is safely guarded on the collective and ready to present itself in any other body the moment they wish so?
This seems highly adaptable, and makes the best of both worlds (individual and collective) available to them.
And yet, there-¦s still the question of what do they want to do with it..... That reminds me a lot of DUST clone mercenaries.
Their "mind" is stored in a database and then transfered on a clone. If the clone dies, the brain state is transfered to the database, with the new experiences acting like an "file update". In fact, if they are left behind on a planet too far away of the database (outside its transmission range), they're pretty much going to lose years of their life, because their clones can't live more than 5 years (if I recall correctly), and when they die, the new experiences are not going to be added to the database. In fact, sometimes weirder things can happen like having 2 clones of the same person with the same mind inside them, yet be separate persons.
Can't help but wonder how does that "lifestyle" feel like. And of course, if said technology was somehow taken from the Jove, Sleepers or Drifters... And we're yet to see what is going on with the Valkyries. |
Captain Davison
Malachi Keep Detachments
17
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Posted - 2015.02.11 14:50:32 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Okay guys, looking at EVE Source, I now retract my idea that these "Vigilant Tyrannos" are Sleeper.
Miko Bour, the founder of the second empire, was the "First Tyrant of the Second Empire", and was a member of a "now-extinct" political faction (maybe not so extinct). Him and those after him were referred to as "Tyrants".
Sounds quite a lot like Tyrannos, no?
Unless of course, he's working with the sleepers, as they are clearly a part of this and have been confirmed to be a part of this by the devs. Team-up? |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
17115
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Posted - 2015.02.11 15:23:21 -
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Captain Davison wrote:Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:Okay guys, looking at EVE Source, I now retract my idea that these "Vigilant Tyrannos" are Sleeper.
Miko Bour, the founder of the second empire, was the "First Tyrant of the Second Empire", and was a member of a "now-extinct" political faction (maybe not so extinct). Him and those after him were referred to as "Tyrants".
Sounds quite a lot like Tyrannos, no? Unless of course, he's working with the sleepers, as they are clearly a part of this and have been confirmed to be a part of this by the devs. Team-up? Well I'm pretty certain Bour would be dead by now- but this group would have been his. The Tyrants United the Jovians once before- who's to say they wouldn't again?
Of course, this is all speculation- but I'm absolutely certain that the Tyrants have something to do here.
And sleepers are definitely involved in a huge way- they started this whole thing- and they're still Jovian too :)
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
Jovian Proverb GÖâ
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
277
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Posted - 2015.02.11 15:46:13 -
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Earlier last year a NPC (CCP actor) by the name of Hilen Tukoss, former founder of the Arek'jaalan project and Site One in Eram, suddenly reappeared and began posting on IGS asking the players to donate Jovian body parts for his new project. He did it in a rather weird way though and his posts were mixed with hexadecimal garbage, so most RPers decided that Tukoss fell victim to some sort of AI and that thing is now controlling him and tries to collect Jovian DNA.
Utlimately, the toaster-Tukoss got his hands on a set of Jovian remains and went silent again.
Now, the Drifters appear.
Let's not forget that the "true" Jovians of the Directorate have their aggression curbed at the genetic level, pilots of the Jovian Navy (if such a thing even exists) being the only exceptions. Thus, the Drifters are not members of the Jovian civilization proper.
tl:dr
Drifters are cloned from the Jovian DNA collected from players via event, but they are not Jovians. They are tools controlled by either the Sleepers or the Other, personally I think it's the Other.
Fun times ahead. |
Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1084
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Posted - 2015.02.11 21:33:39 -
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I wonder if the Drifters are cloned bodies made for the purpose of replacing the actual sleepers lost bodies? You know, those bodies from which we how shall I say, harvested, some interesting tech? (re:Templar One)
Or perhaps they are simply "eyes" for The Other? Can he move his consciousness around from one body to another? Could there be more than one "Other"?
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
246
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Posted - 2015.02.11 22:07:13 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:Drifters are cloned from the Jovian DNA collected from players via event, but they are not Jovians. They are tools controlled by either the Sleepers or the Other, personally I think it's the Other.
Fun times ahead. Why would The Other need us to collect samples of Jove DNA? It has actual Jove in sleeping capsules.. That would be my biggest hole in the theory.. Now if it was some other groups.. Rogue Drones? Sansha? They would likely need the samples. Not that I think that's what happened.
I don't the drifters are cloned. I think they are awakened. Perhaps originally Sleepers, but more likely I feel from before that time. Possibly from a previous Jove Empire, that have either decided to return, or were poked by something and are waking up and saying WTF. The Jove stations that are decloaking might be from their time, or more modern, hence their interest in it (and sleeper interest too). Also might explain how they ignore us (not considered a threat) but ill tempered if engaged.
Would be nice for them to decide to carve out their own area of Null..and I don't mean just normal NPC Null, but one they will actively defend.. |
Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
29
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Posted - 2015.02.11 22:24:00 -
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New update on Drifter Battleship and Apollo Tyrannos
Link from Reddit post : Imgur |
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
17115
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Posted - 2015.02.11 23:46:26 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:Jade Blackwind wrote:Drifters are cloned from the Jovian DNA collected from players via event, but they are not Jovians. They are tools controlled by either the Sleepers or the Other, personally I think it's the Other.
Fun times ahead. Why would The Other need us to collect samples of Jove DNA? It has actual Jove in sleeping capsules.. That would be my biggest hole in the theory.. Now if it was some other groups.. Rogue Drones? Sansha? They would likely need the samples. Not that I think that's what happened. I don't the drifters are cloned. I think they are awakened. Perhaps originally Sleepers, but more likely I feel from before that time. Possibly from a previous Jove Empire, that have either decided to return, or were poked by something and are waking up and saying WTF. The Jove stations that are decloaking might be from their time, or more modern, hence their interest in it (and sleeper interest too). Also might explain how they ignore us (not considered a threat) but ill tempered if engaged. Would be nice for them to decide to carve out their own area of Null..and I don't mean just normal NPC Null, but one they will actively defend.. I'm positive it isn't the other collecting the parts- and if you're saying a previous empire, that fits perfectly with the idea of the Tyrants (the leaders of the second empire) making their return- "Viligant Tyrannos" can mean "awakened tyrants".
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
Jovian Proverb GÖâ
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6216
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Posted - 2015.02.12 00:14:06 -
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Sansh Leko wrote:New update on Drifter Battleship and Apollo Tyrannos Link from Reddit post : Imgur
OK they are the baddies.
We're doomed. Doomed I tell you.
(British version:
It would appear that we are doomed
)
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.02.12 00:31:54 -
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Now that you mentioned, I am stealing.
Shhh
And they have a plan.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6217
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Posted - 2015.02.12 00:42:42 -
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Sansh Leko wrote:Now that you mentioned, I am stealing. ShhhAnd they have a plan.
When this becomes solid content and players go swooping in on those ships with their L4 mission boats (like on the first day of Incursion content where THOUSANDS of player ships were destroyed) that clip of Hudson with the piece of wreckage and that dialog needs to be streamed right through the Eve client at the moment of destruction.
For the effect. I'm laughing thinking about this. It's exactly what they'll be saying.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Allant Doran
Patriot Security Services New Signature
55
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Posted - 2015.02.12 01:04:36 -
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I for one welcome our new Sleeper Overlords.
As in, no, seriously, CCP can I go work for these guys? I'm happy to assume they have the right idea. |
Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
30
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Posted - 2015.02.12 01:22:59 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:When this becomes solid content and players go swooping in on those ships with their L4 mission boats (like on the first day of Incursion content where THOUSANDS of player ships were destroyed) that clip of Hudson with the piece of wreckage and that dialog needs to be streamed right through the Eve client at the moment of destruction.
For the effect. I'm laughing thinking about this. It's exactly what they'll be saying.
Say no more, considering how the procedure is in EVE, shoot first then ask questions I am laughing just thinking about it.
Fun times ahead.
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
17118
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Posted - 2015.02.12 01:50:22 -
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I can see the shiny killmails now- one-shot by an NPC, their worst nightmare
I;m becoming more and more convicnced that the Drifters/Tyrannos are the resurgence of the Second Empire's leading party, the Tyrants. They weren't bad- in fact, they united the Jovian factions as one. I wonder if that will hold any significance :)
Also, their HQ as listed so far is in the Great Wildlands, directly adjacent to the location of the original two Jovian Empires.
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
Jovian Proverb GÖâ
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Sarmatiko
1666
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Posted - 2015.02.12 13:28:33 -
[768] - Quote
https://image.testeveonline.com/Character/3019582_1024.jpg https://image.testeveonline.com/Character/3019583_1024.jpg http://i.imgur.com/Hi7dToa.jpg http://i.imgur.com/5g4q6LV.jpg |
VTyx Soul
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
40
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Posted - 2015.02.12 14:01:39 -
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:I can see the shiny killmails now- one-shot by an NPC, their worst nightmare I;m becoming more and more convicnced that the Drifters/Tyrannos are the resurgence of the Second Empire's leading party, the Tyrants. They weren't bad- in fact, they united the Jovian factions as one. I wonder if that will hold any significance :) Also, their HQ as listed so far is in the Great Wildlands, directly adjacent to the location of the original two Jovian Empires.
Can you quote that source regarding the second empire please :) |
Esnaelc Sin'led
AdAstra. Beach Club Red Whines.
10
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Posted - 2015.02.12 14:05:04 -
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So that's a fifth 'faction' they gonna implement in the game to make new capsuleer rules available to players ?! (like faster SP learning / SP loss on pod-kill / permanent suspect timer / and so on) |
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VTyx Soul
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
41
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Posted - 2015.02.12 14:07:18 -
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Esnaelc Sin'led wrote:So that's a fifth 'faction' they gonna implement in the game to make new capsuleer rules available to players ?! (like faster SP learning / SP loss on pod-kill / permanent suspect timer / and so on)
Unlikely most likely the perma death will come with a form of trial account with caps or a non capsule based pilot. Sleepers/Jovians all have the same upload tech. |
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
17118
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Posted - 2015.02.12 14:09:44 -
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VTyx Soul wrote:Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:I can see the shiny killmails now- one-shot by an NPC, their worst nightmare I;m becoming more and more convicnced that the Drifters/Tyrannos are the resurgence of the Second Empire's leading party, the Tyrants. They weren't bad- in fact, they united the Jovian factions as one. I wonder if that will hold any significance :) Also, their HQ as listed so far is in the Great Wildlands, directly adjacent to the location of the original two Jovian Empires. Can you quote that source regarding the second empire please :) EVE Source, pg.134 :)
A City made of Wood is built in the forest
A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
Jovian Proverb GÖâ
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dhunpael
47
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Posted - 2015.02.12 17:58:13 -
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Is this here the whole time, or is it new? I've never seen this before
new cloud
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VTyx Soul
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
41
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Posted - 2015.02.12 19:45:58 -
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dhunpael wrote:Is this here the whole time, or is it new? I've never seen this before new cloud
a nebula |
Narcotic Gryffin
Yumping Amok
46
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Posted - 2015.02.12 21:06:44 -
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I havent read ever post here but has anyone else noticed a slight yet significant difference in the sleepers? In particular circadian vs wh sleepers and the shields?
http://www.sortius-is-a-geek.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/history-channel-hd-aliens-thumb.jpg
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VTyx Soul
MASS A DEATH Mordus Angels
41
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:10:18 -
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Narcotic Gryffin wrote:I havent read ever post here but has anyone else noticed a slight yet significant difference in the sleepers? In particular circadian vs wh sleepers and the shields?
it has been noticed yes |
Allant Doran
Patriot Security Services New Signature
58
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:13:21 -
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Can't remember if I ever got an answer for this;
Why do the Drifters have full-body models for the pilots? Is that a normal NPC thing to do? Do Sansha, Angel etc all have pilot models somewhere in the files too? |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1353
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:17:57 -
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Allant Doran wrote:Can't remember if I ever got an answer for this;
Why do the Drifters have full-body models for the pilots? Is that a normal NPC thing to do? Do Sansha, Angel etc all have pilot models somewhere in the files too?
Not really commonplace, then again, most NPC's that got a custom made pic were from before the full body implementation (Jacus Roden, Sansha Kuvakei etc)
In this particular case, I suspect the full body modification is to show how different the Jove are to us, almost an entirely alien race, despite our common ancestry as humans. And through it, Jove have motivations that are alien to us, something I hint at in my Jove article: 'Shrouded in mystery, the Jovian race' Note this is about the Jove of the Jovian Directorate, not these returning Jove, whom I suspect are something else entirely!
The Republic strikes back!
The Arcology Convoy is an overwhelming success!
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Allant Doran
Patriot Security Services New Signature
59
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Posted - 2015.02.13 00:10:36 -
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Thanks for the link, I gave it a read and really liked it :)
Additionally, you mention a rumour that the Jovians were building a superweapon of their own... could that be what has caused the Caroline's Star incident? A Jovian Superweapon used to detonate Sansha? :P |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
611
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Posted - 2015.02.13 02:53:58 -
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So guys, guess what? I am one of them. I am a Drifter. [PROOF]
Send me your ISK if you want to live. |
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