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Samir Duran Xadi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.22 10:26:39 -
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BoBoZoBo wrote:Nah - I have to disagree.
Zoom out represents the ability for every captain to have a tactical overlay of the battlespace. It is common for ship commanders to have this in a command control room and is not illogical that these ships would have a real time representation of a wide view of the field as it is currently expressed.
The current zoom structure is conducive to a fleet battle scenario.
Yes I agree the fleet commander should have the ability to see the battle from distance flying a ship with no offensive capabilities with a plethora of sensors but no one else. The commander idea has been successfully implemented in many games.
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
If you want to play an RTS, go buy an RTS.
That's precisely my point you can zoom out on Eve more than any RTS which is just silly. |
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
869
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Posted - 2014.11.22 10:44:00 -
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Let's take this serious for a moment.
No it does not break Immersion at all. The contrary really. Yes, I like to look at my ship. But I also like to zoom out and get a grasp for those vast dimensions and the time it will take to travel to something. Playing zoomed out is part of the graphic beauty of this game. I even do it sometimes during mining. It's a selling point.
Limiting this to fleet comanders is silly. You do need a tactical overview on a regular basis when you're solo too. And why restrict this to something artificial, if we can have it in all the beauty of a view in space? Doesn't make sense.
So a simple no.
Remove insurance.
This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
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Samir Duran Xadi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.11.22 11:03:52 -
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I don't expect CCP to implement what I am proposing but it is one of those radical changes that the game needs to get past it's decaying 40k in game population. Yes with changes like this one CCP would lose a lot of old customers but it could win many more new ones.
Manual spaceship controls are a step to the right direction but simply not enough when someone can see out to hundreds of kms and out manoeuvre you by clicking at dots. Next generation space games that everyone is drooling for aim for maximum immersion. Eve should do the same.
Now imagine if you could zoom out to the point where you can see the whole battle in world of tanks and war thunder... Pretty laughable isn't it?
manual flying controls -> reasonable zoom amount -> removal or overhauling the overview |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5950
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Posted - 2014.11.22 11:07:08 -
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Samir Duran Xadi wrote:I don't expect CCP to implement what I am proposing but it is one of those radical changes that the game needs to get past it's decaying 40k in game population. Yes with changes like this one CCP would lose a lot of old customers but it could win many more new ones.
Manual spaceship controls are a step to the right direction but simply not enough when someone can see out to hundreds of kms and out manoeuvre you by clicking at dots. Next generation space games that everyone is drooling for aim for maximum immersion. Eve should do the same.
I can out maneuver you without touching the zoom. Zoom has nothing to do with piloting ability.
What it does do, however, in a game like this where FCs need the ability to see the positions of fleets in their entirety, wide angle zoom is necessary. Interestingly enough, since everyone has the same access to the same zoom levels all the time, it's also perfectly balanced, because guess what? You can do it too.
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Black Ambulance
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Posted - 2014.11.22 11:17:11 -
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yeah , i want to zoom out more |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.22 12:19:46 -
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This is either a really bad trolling attempt or the single most clueless suggestion ... ... it would attract players, seriously lol do you ever see beyond yourself? ........
I want CCP to remove keyboard and mouse control, because it breaks my immersion! |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5950
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Posted - 2014.11.22 12:37:15 -
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Sol Project wrote:This is either a really bad trolling attempt or the single most clueless suggestion ... ... it would attract players, seriously lol do you ever see beyond yourself? ........
I want CCP to remove keyboard and mouse control, because it breaks my immersion!
I WANT A REAL SPACESHIP COMMAND CENTRE DAMMIT!! AND A REAL SPACESHIP TO GO WITH IT!! NONE OF THIS PC GAME CRAP!!!!!!
HEIL SANSHA!!!!!
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
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Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
279
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Posted - 2014.11.22 13:41:49 -
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OP, i respect your point of view, but i disagree.
strategy plays such a huge role in pvp, that one could argue it outweighs almost everything else.
the option to zoom far out is critical for players - and not just FCs, but fleet members. i think the way the zoom mechanics work now is exactly the way it should remain.
i understand the immersion point you brought up, but if it bothers you that much, just don't do it.
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Samir Duran Xadi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
10
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Posted - 2014.11.22 15:27:07 -
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Ursula Thrace wrote:OP, i respect your point of view, but i disagree.
strategy plays such a huge role in pvp, that one could argue it outweighs almost everything else.
the option to zoom far out is critical for players - and not just FCs, but fleet members. i think the way the zoom mechanics work now is exactly the way it should remain.
i understand the immersion point you brought up, but if it bothers you that much, just don't do it.
It took 35 posts for a decent reply. Who knows what ccp has in store for Eve in the future, things will need to be shaken up sooner or later. It won't stop me from enjoying Eve until then. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2014.11.22 15:27:58 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Sol Project wrote:This is either a really bad trolling attempt or the single most clueless suggestion ... ... it would attract players, seriously lol do you ever see beyond yourself? ........
I want CCP to remove keyboard and mouse control, because it breaks my immersion! I WANT A REAL SPACESHIP COMMAND CENTRE DAMMIT!! AND A REAL SPACESHIP TO GO WITH IT!! NONE OF THIS PC GAME CRAP!!!!!! HEIL SANSHA!!!!! I wondered about this, when you poyted it some time ago. It really made me wonder, because you presented it as epiphany.
Why ...
... Sanshq specifically ... ... and how does it make you heil him?
Hail?
TL'DR: HEIL SANSHA?? |
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
103
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Posted - 2014.11.22 15:34:55 -
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Samir Duran Xadi wrote:Ursula Thrace wrote:OP, i respect your point of view, but i disagree.
strategy plays such a huge role in pvp, that one could argue it outweighs almost everything else.
the option to zoom far out is critical for players - and not just FCs, but fleet members. i think the way the zoom mechanics work now is exactly the way it should remain.
i understand the immersion point you brought up, but if it bothers you that much, just don't do it. It took 35 posts for a decent reply. Who knows what ccp has in store for Eve in the future, things will need to be shaken up sooner or later. It won't stop me from enjoying Eve until then. 35 posts.
So? Try the ArcheAge's General Discussion forum.
We're the 1% of forum posters in comparison. In regards to decency, intellect, average educational level.
I'm happy about what we don't have here, although they are creeping in. |
Jed Dye
Quantum Pathways
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Posted - 2014.11.22 16:40:52 -
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Good thing you didn't play 4-5 years ago where you could zoom so far out, it would transition to the solar system map, then scroll out further for the main map, i miss this feature also :( |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17860
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Posted - 2014.11.22 18:17:13 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Why do we reply to threads like this?
Gotta reply to something.
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Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
311
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Posted - 2014.11.22 19:00:16 -
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In space 150 kms is negligible.
It relates to 150 meters of atmospheric battleground.
Actually nothing stops light in space, you can possibly get much better zoom.
Space ships are gigantic, 1 km in size for a battleship.
Why don't CCP make special surveillance drone for Recons, which can see beyond the grid once deployed and possibly jump a gate? |
Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
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Posted - 2014.11.22 21:31:08 -
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Samir Duran Xadi wrote:Every competitive game has a limited zoom in order to create a competitive environment where position and environmental awareness are very important. Zooming away from your ship in Eve for a ridiculous amount not only completely breaks immersion and makes 0 sense ( how is it even possible?) but it also creates an unbalanced field. Players that see Eve as what it is, a video game about pretty spaceships, keep the camera at a reasonable distance are in a major disadvantage to players that like to play around with tiny dots having a full tactical view extending for hundreds of kilometres.
CCP time to get on with times and along with manual spaceship controls limit the zoom out at a reasonable distance. I can assure you new players that find out how much you can zoom away in this game are completely put off. It feels like someone long time ago forgot to put a reasonable limit in place and in the end it was just left there as an intended but broken feature.
P.S. If having a tactical view unnaturally extending for hundreds of kms was a feature you were proud of you would showcase it in your awesome trailers. But that will never happen because it looks silly and makes no sense.
Read the lore.
optical camera drone...
Tactical is pretty important
you are asking for a different game.
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
156
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Posted - 2014.11.22 21:32:15 -
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Jed Dye wrote:Good thing you didn't play 4-5 years ago where you could zoom so far out, it would transition to the solar system map, then scroll out further for the main map, i miss this feature also :(
I'd love to see that feature brought back.
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
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Exotic Matters
Fried Liver Attack
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Posted - 2014.11.22 23:50:38 -
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Actually not having this ability would be totally unrealistic. Out in space there is no cover to hide behind, nothing is hidden unless it is cloaked. Any future starship is going to have sensors through all spectrums (and gravity, exotic particles, etc) and a computer capable of rendering that sensor data visually to the captain from any frame of reference desired.
Actually there is an unrealistic lack of available sensor data available and is available in an unrealistically limited form. But then again this is not real after all.
Space combat in this game is tactical not fly by wire, which sets Eve apart from all the 1st person shooter games and this is a good thing. |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
635
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Posted - 2014.11.23 00:00:54 -
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Samir Duran Xadi wrote:Every competitive game has a limited zoom in order to create a competitive environment where position and environmental awareness are very important. Zooming away from your ship in Eve for a ridiculous amount not only completely breaks immersion and makes 0 sense ( how is it even possible?) but it also creates an unbalanced field. Players that see Eve as what it is, a video game about pretty spaceships, keep the camera at a reasonable distance are in a major disadvantage to players that like to play around with tiny dots having a full tactical view extending for hundreds of kilometres.
CCP time to get on with times and along with manual spaceship controls limit the zoom out at a reasonable distance. I can assure you new players that find out how much you can zoom away in this game are completely put off. It feels like someone long time ago forgot to put a reasonable limit in place and in the end it was just left there as an intended but broken feature.
P.S. If having a tactical view unnaturally extending for hundreds of kms was a feature you were proud of you would showcase it in your awesome trailers. But that will never happen because it looks silly and makes no sense.
Do you get paid for every terrible idea you come up with or something???
Pirates - The Invisible Fist of Darwin
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
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Posted - 2014.11.23 00:11:52 -
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Samir Duran Xadi wrote:It took 35 posts for a decent reply. Who knows what ccp has in store for Eve in the future, things will need to be shaken up sooner or later. It won't stop me from enjoying Eve until then.
Do nerd world problems really deserve a serious reply?
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff
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Trey Kutoi
Nyarlthotep Holdings Ltd.
35
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Posted - 2014.11.24 02:41:18 -
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one issue with zooming that makes me sad is using the tactical overlay in bright places (amarr systems mostly) while doing anything related to the god awful mission illumination. If I could toggle the bracket around my own ship instead of being forced to hold alt I'd be happy. |
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Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
655
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Posted - 2014.11.24 03:19:31 -
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it's not broken
-á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á-
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Lucrii Dei
Vector Galactic Did he say Jump
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Posted - 2014.11.24 04:41:53 -
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Samir Duran Xadi wrote:Every competitive game has a limited zoom in order to create a competitive environment where position and environmental awareness are very important. Zooming away from your ship in Eve for a ridiculous amount not only completely breaks immersion and makes 0 sense ( how is it even possible?)
Drones. Drones of the camera flavour. You should look it up sometime, most things have an explanation in EVE. The amount you can zoom is probably relative to the default size of the grid.
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Maruk Ihnati
V I R I I Ineluctable.
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Posted - 2014.11.24 06:49:50 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Came hoping the OP was asking CCP to make zoom 'ticks' adjustable (increasable) before I definitely break my mouse wheel.
Leaving bewildered.
Try holding both mouse buttons and moving the mouse. You don't need the wheel and it's faster and doesn't break the wheel or the index finger either.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
160
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Posted - 2014.11.24 15:57:32 -
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1. The hitchhikers guide to the galaxy says space is very big. with that being said the drone camera tech allows the camera drone to fly around or look way out, but then again as a sniper you being hardly able to see me at extreme ranges because your to busy looking at your ship would be an advantage for me.
2. tactical awareness: something called an overview let you know if anything is on grid for about 350kms or so, if you want to worry about looking around which is a indefinite amount of directions, good luck doing that with out an overview. This isnt COD where you only have to worry about 360 degree laterally and above you, this isnt startrek/starwars where almost all ships are on a 2d plane.
TL;DR dont zoom out from your ship and dont use the overview and have at it
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Amarrian Cougar
Veritas Theory Fidelas Constans
16
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Posted - 2014.11.24 16:31:15 -
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Someone needs to go read the f***ing Camera Drones chronicle if they don't know "how is possible".
Come on, this is space and space like thousands of years in the future. A camera drone that can zoom 200km away from your ship isn't that preposterous considering things like how I can fly a ship the size of the empire state building across the known galaxy in a hour. |
ISD LackOfFaith
isd community communications liaisons
1868
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Posted - 2014.11.24 16:32:48 -
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Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.
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flaming phantom
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
46
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Posted - 2014.11.24 16:45:14 -
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Foxicity wrote:I think Dust 514 should have a camera that only looks at your avatar's face, obscuring not only most of the screen but looking in the opposite direction that your gun is pointed. While the camera could be used for situational awareness, CCP understands that most people really like how gloriously handsome their avatar looks and it's the main reason most people play the game.
Haha, fantastic
But seriously, I just always imagined a bunch of tiny camera drones around my ship. They did that in my favorite anime, Outlaw Star, and I always just kind of thought I had a really fast drone or many drones I was cycling through when adjusting my position
On that line of thought, I always thought it would be cool to have some EWAR module/device that actually messed up other players screens, not allowing them to see properly for a few seconds. Or maybe delay their visual feed or something like that.
All great men have mustaches
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
290
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Posted - 2014.11.24 17:30:56 -
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Somewhere in my cockpit there is this weird thing called a tactical overlay. It allows me to see the grid in 3D from inside my ship! |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2014.11.24 18:32:25 -
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this guy has never been in a large fight.
when i zoom out its to get rid of lag i don't care about where i am or the enemies are i leave that up to my FC i just align lock and press F1 when i'm told
as for how it is possible all it is is a camera drone moving further away from your ship |
Kaerakh
Surprisingly Deep Hole Try Rerolling
488
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Posted - 2014.11.24 18:49:27 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Well at least its a whine post I haven't seen before.
This is the best thing I've seen all day.
OP is clearly high, though. This is one of the most competitive games on the market. As is evidence by the proliferate use of kill mails and killboards. Either the OP is trolling, or he thinks StarCraft II and its ilk are good RTSs. I hope he's trolling.
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