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Mo Skor
Midnight Elites
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Posted - 2014.11.22 10:01:14 -
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Since people live in wormhole space, I'm guessing that dead wormholes regenerate in the same system. Sometimes? Randomly in any system? How do people get back to their POS? |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4852
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Posted - 2014.11.22 10:13:50 -
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When a WH collapses, another one is generated.
Where it leads to is "random"
If it is a High sec static, it will lead to any of the highsec systems in EVE at random. Same for any other static wormhole.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.22 10:39:19 -
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Mo Skor wrote:How do people get back to their POS? with difficulty
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Mo Skor
Midnight Elites
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Posted - 2014.11.22 10:47:03 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Mo Skor wrote:How do people get back to their POS? with difficulty
So they make sure they are docked up at their POS before logging off....? And they can place their clones at their POS?? |
Azda Ja
BUMP POW
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Posted - 2014.11.22 11:00:48 -
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Mo Skor wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Mo Skor wrote:How do people get back to their POS? with difficulty So they make sure they are docked up at their POS before logging off....? And they can place their clones at their POS??
You can't place clones in a POS. Getting podded in a WH sends you back to K-Space. Pretty sure most residents leave an alt capable of scanning inside the hole just in case that happens so they can make their way back home. Or rely on corp mates.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.22 11:04:12 -
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I dont believe you can set a clone to a pos (Correct me if im wrong) you can logoff in space as well and provided you don't have any aggression timers your ship will de-spawn
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Mo Skor
Midnight Elites
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Posted - 2014.11.22 11:06:16 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I dont believe you can set a clone to a pos (Correct me if im wrong) you can logoff in space as well and provided you don't have any aggression timers your ship will de-spawn
ok.....I was told that you should never log off in space.....not so?
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Azda Ja
BUMP POW
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Posted - 2014.11.22 11:08:49 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I dont believe you can set a clone to a pos (Correct me if im wrong) you can logoff in space as well and provided you don't have any aggression timers your ship will de-spawn
It's been asked for, as far back as 2008 according to google.
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Shelby Dusette
Nighthawk Exploration Anoikis Ronin
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Posted - 2014.11.22 11:10:51 -
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Mo Skor wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I dont believe you can set a clone to a pos (Correct me if im wrong) you can logoff in space as well and provided you don't have any aggression timers your ship will de-spawn ok.....I was told that you should never log off in space.....not so? A POS has a large forcefield around it that keeps you safe. You can't actually dock at one like you can a station, although you can store ships and stuff there in modules. So yep, people just log off there usually or at a safe spot somewhere in system and are safe doing so.
Numerous times per day you scan you system and update your bookarks. You keep the newest entries/exits bookmarked so you can travel in and out at leisure. But because the hole can close due to mass passing through it, or expire due to time, it's always a good idea to keep at least one pilot with probes inside at all times.
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Azda Ja
BUMP POW
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Posted - 2014.11.22 11:11:56 -
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Mo Skor wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I dont believe you can set a clone to a pos (Correct me if im wrong) you can logoff in space as well and provided you don't have any aggression timers your ship will de-spawn ok.....I was told that you should never log off in space.....not so?
Avoid logging off in space when you have a log-off timer, it's the red or yellow exclamation point in the upper left after you pvp/pve. Last 5 minutes I think. While those are active, your ship will stay in space even after you log off. Once the timer runs out, you can log off safely. The server will warp you off to some magical place where nothing bad can happen to you. Then when you log back on it warp you back to where you were.
EVE is cruel that way .
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7058
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Posted - 2014.11.22 11:13:09 -
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Mo Skor wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I dont believe you can set a clone to a pos (Correct me if im wrong) you can logoff in space as well and provided you don't have any aggression timers your ship will de-spawn ok.....I was told that you should never log off in space.....not so? if you have no timers then no harm in it, infact theirs a great trick that uses it as a mechanic for surprise bum loving ambushing weary targets
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and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.11.22 11:17:24 -
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Mo Skor wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:I dont believe you can set a clone to a pos (Correct me if im wrong) you can logoff in space as well and provided you don't have any aggression timers your ship will de-spawn ok.....I was told that you should never log off in space.....not so?
I log off in space a lot.
But yes, there are examples where you shouldnt. but there are plenty of examples where you can (or in case of WH must as you cant dock in WH - NOt taking into account Thera).
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Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
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Posted - 2014.11.22 11:58:08 -
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Mo Skor wrote:Since people live in wormhole space, I'm guessing that dead wormholes regenerate in the same system. Sometimes? Randomly in any system? How do people get back to their POS?
Every wormhole system has at least one static connection, meaning if it collapses a new one will spawn that leads to the same class of system. (e.g. to highsec, or a Class 4 wormhole system) There are 6 different classes of wormhole space systems: C4-C6 will only have statics that lead to other wormhole space systems - C4 has two statics to w-space C1-C3 will always have a static that leads to a system in known space (high-, low- or nullsec) - C2 will have second static that leads to w-space
What you will get from this are "chains" of wormhole space systems that generally lead from higher classes to lower classes and from there to known space, so it might look somewhat like this.
On top of that there are "wandering" (or random) wormholes that won't necessarily reappear in the same system once they have collapsed. E.g. in the map I linked you can see that the C2.1 has a connection to highsec even though it only has a lowsec and a C2 static. |
Jur Tissant
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
327
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Posted - 2014.11.22 16:05:29 -
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To wormhole heaven.
All wormholes have at least one "static", which means they will always have a specific type of wormhole (i.e. a B274) which leads to a specific class of space (high-sec, in that case). So when their static disappears, it reappears elsewhere in the system immediately.
However, there are also random wormholes which can connect to any kind of space. When these die, they do not reappear.
Wormhole dwellers always have one or more scanning alts who don't leave the system, in case the hole closes behind them as they venture into k-space. If the wormhole closes behind you and you do not have anyone in system to scan down a new one then you're pretty much screwed. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2014.11.22 16:18:33 -
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Everything you ever wanted to know about wormhole space.
Edit: Although there have been some recent editions - frigate only holes (mass limited), mass based spawning off holes, a second static for C4 systems. After the next patch there will be even more new stuff, shattered wormholes and a WH system with stations called Thera.
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Mehrune Khan
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.11.22 18:46:29 -
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.11.22 19:30:49 -
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Mo Skor wrote:Since people live in wormhole space, I'm guessing that dead wormholes regenerate in the same system. Sometimes? Randomly in any system? How do people get back to their POS? Every wormhole has at least one static OUTGOING wormhole that will always respawn to a given class of system (hisec, nulsec, lowsec, C1, C2, C3, C4, C5, C6). Outgoing wormholes don't open until someone is on grid with it.
Wormholes can also have random incoming and outgoing wormhole. These can be from virtually anywhere, or to anywhere.
It is players constantly opening outgoing wormholes that makes traveling through w-space possible. It is very hard to travel through w-space on the test server where there are virtually no players in w-space.
During the first week of Apocrypha, when w-space was released, CCP spawned a huge number of random wormholes to make it easier to enter w-pace.
To ensure you can always return to a certain system, one leaves at least one and preferably more alts in the system that can scan a path out, typically to hisec. On average, it takes traveling through 4 systems to reach hisec.
I lived in w-space for my first ~2.75 years of EVE existence. I had 3 alts in system to ensure I could return. Some were not trained to scan, but were in ship fitted to scan, and had the required skillbooks in their cargo. It doesn't take long to train minimal scanning. |
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
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Posted - 2014.11.23 16:21:01 -
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Mo Skor wrote:Since people live in wormhole space, I'm guessing that dead wormholes regenerate in the same system. Sometimes? Randomly in any system? How do people get back to their POS?
So the way the system works is that a w-hole as a solar system is just like another solar system in the game. They don't disappear or anything if the hole leading to them 'dies' and often people leave 'scouts' on POS they have anchored in w-space with the obvious idea that it's easier to find an opening from w-space to anywhere in k-space then vice versa.
Each system has a 'static' that always leads to a certain type of space ie. c1 for example I think never has a static to null sec for example but has a high sec instead and c6 never has a 'static' directly to k-space.
if you do happen to get 'lost' without probes your only hope is to log off and hope that a) your alt / corp mate randomly finds your hole leading you out which can take months btw. b) beg in forums for someone to find a hole to a signature that matches your hole and hope that they didn't do it to pod you or for a hefty ransom.
c) do the above but ask it from the locals living in near by POS who might or might not be friendly. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3666
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Posted - 2014.11.23 23:56:09 -
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If you have friends in the WH system, they can scout down a new wormhole to k-space (or possibly a new chain). So if you live in a "C6 system with a C4 static", your friend can scan down a path from the home system to a C4 wormhole, then a path to lowsec, then from there a gate to gate route to where you now are.
If you do not have friends in the WH system - time to buy a new POS, and learn an expensive lesson.
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