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Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.11.22 23:30:28 -
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Idea is simple, Make it Impposible to sell plex on masrket after you purchase it off the market.
Plex will be no longer an Investmen item.
People will start selling theire stocks.
It will be imposible to mingle with plex price.
Way? Because Plex is like no other item in game, and i think there should be limit to the things you can do with it.
There are plenty of items in game to scam with, and plex should not be one of them.
The option to Donate was added so plex will be rendered usles, you can donate the time, Trade it or put it on contract.
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2014.11.22 23:36:27 -
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Redundant PLEX cost whine thread is redundant.
Reported as such.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2014.11.22 23:36:47 -
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Definitely +1
As OP says, PLEX is a special kind of item. I really don't think it's a good idea to leave PLEX prices freely manipulable if you have lots of ISK to play with.
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Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
90
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Posted - 2014.11.22 23:52:57 -
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it's super cool that people bu Plex for $ and trade in on market for ISK
The bad thing is people buy it for ISK and speculate the prize, i know few people that have 250+ stacks of plex as savings fund.
So they dry up the market and don't use the items.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
957
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Posted - 2014.11.22 23:57:37 -
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Why? There is nothing wrong at all with the plex market. Demand outweighs supply. Maybe if more people paid for the game directly then plex prices would fall.
Unfortunately people who choose to FTP EVE have to play more when less people Pay to Play. |
Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.11.23 00:06:55 -
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No.
Supply and demand gives you your price and there is no reason not to allow player to speculate in that market. I don't give a rats behind if people have a stock pile. It's their game, their ISK, their choice.
Don't like it? Then pay for a sub or buy your own. That's your choice.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3095
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Posted - 2014.11.23 00:41:48 -
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If you don't like the price of PLEX, stop using it and pay CCP directly.
If you're already doing that and still don't like the price of plex, capitalize on it by selling some. If more people sold PLEX and fewer people relied upon it for their game time, then the price of PLEX would drop. Quickly. |
Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
92
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Posted - 2014.11.23 00:47:07 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:If you don't like the price of PLEX, stop using it and pay CCP directly.
If you're already doing that and still don't like the price of plex, capitalize on it by selling some. If more people sold PLEX and fewer people relied upon it for their game time, then the price of PLEX would drop. Quickly.
I am pretty sure that more people invest insted of using it.
If we would make making reseling plex on market imposible after it was sold once, peopel would flood the market with stock.
And the plex price would be regulated by actual Supply and demand |
Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2014.11.23 00:48:48 -
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I'm happy that plex is around 1 Bilion ISK now, it kills RMT
But i'm unhappy about the speculations |
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1281
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Posted - 2014.11.23 00:51:31 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Great Idea, +1, I forwarded this to my alliance so they could help support it.
I agree, I think that subscription time being juggled around and repeatedly resold by traders is not good for the game, but the issue is certainly a little complicated. How do you track a plex that has already been traded once? Do you force it to auto-unpackage? Do you have it turn into a new item once it has been bought off the market, if that is even possible within the game code? That would be neat.
+1 to getting PLEX away from resellers that just drive the price higher and higher
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2014.11.23 01:16:08 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:it's super cool that people bu Plex for $ and trade in on market for ISK
The bad thing is people buy it for ISK and speculate the prize, i know few people that have 250+ stacks of plex as savings fund.
So they dry up the market and don't use the items.
And what is wrong with this its a live market something eve has that so few other games do lets not mess with that because you don't want to pay for this game your playing |
Casivek Andrard
Objectless Hatred. Legion Galactic Council
5
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Posted - 2014.11.23 01:28:20 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:If you don't like the price of PLEX, stop using it and pay CCP directly.
If you're already doing that and still don't like the price of plex, capitalize on it by selling some. If more people sold PLEX and fewer people relied upon it for their game time, then the price of PLEX would drop. Quickly.
If only that was true and not a fictional dream used by people to discriminate against casual players. |
Steppa Musana
Republic University Minmatar Republic
11
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Posted - 2014.11.23 01:38:03 -
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Mag's wrote:No.
Supply and demand gives you your price and there is no reason not to allow player to speculate in that market. I don't give a rats behind if people have a stock pile. It's their game, their ISK, their choice.
Don't like it? Then pay for a sub or buy your own. That's your choice.
That is not a good business decision. Here's my speculation.
If PLEX prices get too high people will close down alt accounts and there will be less market to sell PLEX in. It's not just supply and demand, EVE markets are easy to manipulate. A drop in 30% usage of PLEX over the price hike will not necessarily result in a 30% drop in price. What you will have are less people buying PLEX to sell as there is less opportunity to do so.
If they cap PLEX prices you will still have people buying to sell them. Few are going to stop buying PLEX because they can only get 750 million out of it. Capping will however avoid the drop in usage as prices get too high, leading to more overall PLEX sales for CCP. |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
625
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Posted - 2014.11.23 01:55:42 -
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Casivek Andrard wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:If you don't like the price of PLEX, stop using it and pay CCP directly.
If you're already doing that and still don't like the price of plex, capitalize on it by selling some. If more people sold PLEX and fewer people relied upon it for their game time, then the price of PLEX would drop. Quickly. If only that was true and not a fictional dream used by people to discriminate against casual players.
High plex prices benefit casual players more, not less. A casual player can buy a plex for $20, sell it for a billion ISK and have fun off that billion ISK for as long as he wants. He never has to worry about ratting or any of Eve's boring activities.
The plex market is driven by how easy it is for experienced players to generate lots of ISK. At the moment, Eve is a very mature game. It has way more veterans than new players. New players traditionally have tried to get ahead by spending more real life money to buy ISK. When I first started playing, this was very common among the people I knew. People would buy plex or GTC's and sell them for ISK to make up for the fact that they could only make paltry money running level 1 or 2 missions. Now, most of my friends spend ISK to get game time, because the amount of ISK you can make from running Incursions or smart bombing in anomalies is insane compared to what a new player can do.
If Eve got more new players, plex prices would fall. And Eve would improve.
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Casivek Andrard
Objectless Hatred. Legion Galactic Council
5
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Posted - 2014.11.23 02:23:22 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Casivek Andrard wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:If you don't like the price of PLEX, stop using it and pay CCP directly.
If you're already doing that and still don't like the price of plex, capitalize on it by selling some. If more people sold PLEX and fewer people relied upon it for their game time, then the price of PLEX would drop. Quickly. If only that was true and not a fictional dream used by people to discriminate against casual players. High plex prices benefit casual players more, not less. A casual player can buy a plex for $20, sell it for a billion ISK and have fun off that billion ISK for as long as he wants. He never has to worry about ratting or any of Eve's boring activities. The plex market is driven by how easy it is for experienced players to generate lots of ISK. At the moment, Eve is a very mature game. It has way more veterans than new players. New players traditionally have tried to get ahead by spending more real life money to buy ISK. When I first started playing, this was very common among the people I knew. People would buy plex or GTC's and sell them for ISK to make up for the fact that they could only make paltry money running level 1 or 2 missions. Now, most of my friends spend ISK to get game time, because the amount of ISK you can make from running Incursions or smart bombing in anomalies is insane compared to what a new player can do. If Eve got more new players, plex prices would fall. And Eve would improve.
No it doesn't the majority of casual players who mindlessly mine and mission do not pay to play since they can't. I know over a dozen people who will leave this game within the year that each have 5 accounts cause of these prices and they live in lowsec. So here is some math for you 12*5=60 that is 60 accounts that plex every month now let's put that in USD 60*20=1,200 That is $1200.00 that ccp loses a month, nonow they make more than the average high sec carebear that doesn't run Incursions so tell me you think ccp will he around if suddenly 20% of the player base leaves? Let's just say that is out of 30,000 that is 6,000 accounts just gone. Now if 60 accounts is $1200 how much is 6000? Well that is a 60*100 accounts so the math is simple as 1200*100 which ends up being $120,000 a month that is gone. Any investor that sees that will not want to invest and thus ccp slowly loses money till the company changes the situation. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2538
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Posted - 2014.11.23 02:32:59 -
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Casivek Andrard wrote:FT Diomedes wrote:Casivek Andrard wrote:Alvatore DiMarco wrote:If you don't like the price of PLEX, stop using it and pay CCP directly.
If you're already doing that and still don't like the price of plex, capitalize on it by selling some. If more people sold PLEX and fewer people relied upon it for their game time, then the price of PLEX would drop. Quickly. If only that was true and not a fictional dream used by people to discriminate against casual players. High plex prices benefit casual players more, not less. A casual player can buy a plex for $20, sell it for a billion ISK and have fun off that billion ISK for as long as he wants. He never has to worry about ratting or any of Eve's boring activities. The plex market is driven by how easy it is for experienced players to generate lots of ISK. At the moment, Eve is a very mature game. It has way more veterans than new players. New players traditionally have tried to get ahead by spending more real life money to buy ISK. When I first started playing, this was very common among the people I knew. People would buy plex or GTC's and sell them for ISK to make up for the fact that they could only make paltry money running level 1 or 2 missions. Now, most of my friends spend ISK to get game time, because the amount of ISK you can make from running Incursions or smart bombing in anomalies is insane compared to what a new player can do. If Eve got more new players, plex prices would fall. And Eve would improve. No it doesn't the majority of casual players who mindlessly mine and mission do not pay to play since they can't. I know over a dozen people who will leave this game within the year that each have 5 accounts cause of these prices and they live in lowsec. So here is some math for you 12*5=60 that is 60 accounts that plex every month now let's put that in USD 60*20=1,200 That is $1200.00 that ccp loses a month, nonow they make more than the average high sec carebear that doesn't run Incursions so tell me you think ccp will he around if suddenly 20% of the player base leaves? Let's just say that is out of 30,000 that is 6,000 accounts just gone. Now if 60 accounts is $1200 how much is 6000? Well that is a 60*100 accounts so the math is simple as 1200*100 which ends up being $120,000 a month that is gone. Any investor that sees that will not want to invest and thus ccp slowly loses money till the company changes the situation. You assume that the players who are buying and selling the Plex for 1b will suddenly stop buying Plex simply because other leave the game.
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Lord LazyGhost
The Bastards The Bastards.
457
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Posted - 2014.11.23 02:42:20 -
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Like I said before many times....
If your complaining you can't afford to buy plex tor you account so you are free to play.
And you do this because you don't have enough money url to pay for the monthly subscription. Then tbh you need t ok get a grip and work more or harder because 10 pound a month is very little to pay if you can't afford that then should you really be spending your time gaming or Erm..... bettering you life
The Bastards
Diplomatic Director
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Casivek Andrard
Objectless Hatred. Legion Galactic Council
5
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Posted - 2014.11.23 02:44:37 -
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I am not assuming anything, I know they will but that doesn't matter even if I did that is still 6000 accounts gone that won't come back since they can't pay for game time out of game.that still mean 6000 acount are gone the in game price be dammed at that point. |
Komi Toran
Paragon Trust The Bastion
390
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Posted - 2014.11.23 02:53:42 -
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Casivek Andrard wrote:No it doesn't the majority of casual players who mindlessly mine and mission do not pay to play since they can't. I know over a dozen people who will leave this game within the year that each have 5 accounts cause of these prices and they live in lowsec.... Do you even read what you write before posting, or does your definition of "casual" really include people with 5 accounts? |
Casivek Andrard
Objectless Hatred. Legion Galactic Council
5
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Posted - 2014.11.23 02:58:33 -
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Komi Toran wrote:Casivek Andrard wrote:No it doesn't the majority of casual players who mindlessly mine and mission do not pay to play since they can't. I know over a dozen people who will leave this game within the year that each have 5 accounts cause of these prices and they live in lowsec.... Do you even read what you write before posting, or does your definition of "casual" really include people with 5 accounts?
Yes it does include them as I know more casual players that have 2+ accounts than I do someone with only one account. |
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10695
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Posted - 2014.11.23 03:14:44 -
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Can I get a refund on the brain cells I lost from reading the OP?
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Winter Archipelago
Thera Industries
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Posted - 2014.11.23 03:20:51 -
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I'm divided on this. Looking only at myself, I love having a higher-priced PLEX, as I don't have a lot of play-time available to earn ISK. I can inject a PLEX every 2-3 months and, combined with a full account of PI, I can afford to whelp the frigs and cruisers I love.
But the high price also has its issues. The person who introduced me to EVE no longer plays because he can't afford to PLEX his account (and can't afford to pay RL money for his account, either).
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1993
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Posted - 2014.11.23 03:23:54 -
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No.
Ppl who pay for the game with PLEX arent going to have much impact on CCP's bottom line. There is no value universal amongst free players to which they all simultaneously say:
'dang these prices are too damn high. i quit'
If free players do have an effect on PLEX sales then what's actually going to happen instead is demand will trickle down until an equilibrium is met. Even if there are little to no free players left in the game, there will still be hoarders willing to buy your PLEX at supply/demand price so there is no reason to not buy PLEX. But in the event no one is buying PLEX, prices will go down and the free players will re-sub. -> equilibrium.
The 'inconvenient truth' is that the higher PLEX prices are, the more likely players will pay for their sub with real money and the more likely players will sell PLEXes to skip the grind, the more players will hoard. CCP are selling PLEXes more than ever before because of high isk prices and despite so many players saying they are gonna quit.
Finally, Players who sell PLEX on the market are real people too. There is no good reason to put arbitrary systems in place to force them to sell PLEX at or under any price.
TL:DR Switch the way you pay for the game or quit. The latter will actually make it cheaper for someone less whiney to pay for their game with isk.
@Casiek- casual does not mean players who grind daily. Casual players are the ones who dont spend as much time logged in. Players who buy PLEX to sell on the market to get around the daily grind are in fact the casual players. You've got it the wrong way round.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
1993
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Posted - 2014.11.23 03:26:55 -
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Lord LazyGhost wrote:Like I said before many times....
If your complaining you can't afford to buy plex tor you account so you are free to play.
And you do this because you don't have enough money url to pay for the monthly subscription. Then tbh you need t ok get a grip and work more or harder because 10 pound a month is very little to pay if you can't afford that then should you really be spending your time gaming or Erm..... bettering you life
There is a genuine issue where -ú10 is like a weeks rent in some countries.
Winter Archipelago wrote:I'm divided on this. Looking only at myself, I love having a higher-priced PLEX, as I don't have a lot of play-time available to earn ISK. I can inject a PLEX every 2-3 months and, combined with a full account of PI, I can afford to whelp the frigs and cruisers I love.
^^THIS is a casual player^^
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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ISD Supogo
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.11.23 04:24:29 -
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Thread locked, this has been posted time and time and time again. PLEX is the way it is simply because it is what it is. Yes, there is the Donate time feature, but just because that exists doesn't mean that the emergent gameplay aspects of the potential to scam a rather significant item should be killed.
Besides, what if I'm happy not using PLEX for game time? A lot of people don't want the PLEX to be automatically donated and forced onto their account, they want to use this investment they made and convert it into in-game ISK. We have to consider them as well, and restricting this avenue of gameplay is unfair to those would-be investors and again kills emergent gameplay.
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ISD Supogo
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.01.11 17:14:24 -
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As we had seen recently, the plex price is well controled. The Drama was born and Resellers started buying stacks of plex that were cheap and controled the price.
Now the price is climbing up and it's only matter of time till we get to the Bilion.
It would not hurt if the plex was controled by supply and demand. But plex in controled by resellers, and since there is no other way to get it than the market; Price is going up.
Plex is meta game item and there is only on sorce, if any other item in game is manipulated players have a chance to get it from other sorces. Not Just The Market Like The PLEX! |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.01.11 18:21:29 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:As we had seen recently, the plex price is well controled. The Drama was born and Resellers started buying stacks of plex that were cheap and controled the price.
Now the price is climbing up and it's only matter of time till we get to the Bilion.
It would not hurt if the plex was controled by supply and demand. But plex in controled by resellers, and since there is no other way to get it than the market; Price is going up.
it is controlled by supply and demand the fact that a player can control the supply of any non seeded item is what makes eve great.
high plex price = good for ccp the more isk they are worth the more people who will be willing to buy a plex to sell from CCP
the only people who are hurt are those unwilling to pay for the game they are playing
sadly i can't remember if it was on this thread or not so sorry if i am repeating my self |
Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
821
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Posted - 2015.01.11 18:36:30 -
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Is this one of those thread where people base their whole argument on the assumption that a PLEX can be summoned out of thin air and it gives CCP zero profit? |
Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2015.01.11 18:51:52 -
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Hairpins Blueprint wrote:As we had seen recently, the plex price is well controled. The Drama was born and Resellers started buying stacks of plex that were cheap and controled the price.
Now the price is climbing up and it's only matter of time till we get to the Bilion.
It would not hurt if the plex was controled by supply and demand. But plex in controled by resellers, and since there is no other way to get it than the market; Price is going up.
Plex is meta game item and there is only on sorce, if any other item in game is manipulated players have a chance to get it from other sorces. Not Just The Market Like The PLEX! Once again, the solution is simple.
Stop trying to F2P and PLEX prices will mean nothing to you!!
Personally, I couldn't care less about PLEX prices beyond if I need a sudden influx of cash. I long ago stopped trying to PLEX any of my accounts, since trying to do so turned a game into a job.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
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Hairpins Blueprint
CBC Interstellar Fidelas Constans
96
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Posted - 2015.01.11 18:57:26 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote: Once again, the solution is simple.
Stop trying to F2P and PLEX prices will mean nothing to you!!
Sound easy when you have a steady job, but there are people there that can't really aford it. So they use ISK to buy plex.
And it's not the answer.
It's about doing the right thing. Regulationg the plex market to make price speculation a very hard thing to do.
Make the price regulated by supply and demand!
You might not remeber how bank in icealnd and than in USA was disregulated and how the fu*ked up the whole world ....
It works the same in eve, and there is no existing counter to plex price if you don't have real $. It's a meta game item, and should be regulated. |
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