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Friday Football
Solitarius Forti Dominatiae Essentia
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Posted - 2014.11.23 12:54:49 -
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Is there any point to mining in low-sec or is the risk/reward not there?
A couple of people tell me that the real "jump" in the risk/reward comes when you mine in nullsec.
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.11.23 12:56:38 -
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Friday Football wrote:Is there any point to mining.......... No.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
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Posted - 2014.11.23 13:00:20 -
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Anomaly mining in low sec has potential but you really need a system nobody goes to and they aren't as abundant as some would trick you in to believing. Most are roamed and don't have static populations but you will find yourself hiding more than mining once they figure out you are there and start camping you.
Really though, you might as well mine high sec anomalies. Time lost and hair from playing paranoid Online in low just doesn't strike me as a fair trade. |
Ormand Audel
14th Legion The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.11.23 13:02:51 -
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Nope. The only real benefit to lowsec is the better reprocessing array (54%>52% in highsec) and there's more of an abundance of materials (and rarer ones are more common), but highsec ores are worth the most, even over null. Nullsec has an even bigger benefit of a 60%(?) refining outpost, but that's only in sov null and costs a fair bit (few billion). |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
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Posted - 2014.11.23 13:10:58 -
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You have to be practically insane to mine in lowsec as the danger is incredibly high and the payout just isn't that good.
I do it all the time. |
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
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Posted - 2014.11.23 13:25:02 -
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Only when you have a rather large group of blues around you 'controlling' the system you're in.
Solo not recommended.
I read that mining in wh anomalies was worth it but that's something I haven't done yet.
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Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.11.23 13:48:27 -
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Nope.
One word: Veldspar.
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Jur Tissant
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
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Posted - 2014.11.23 15:36:04 -
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I've mined in low before. It's about finding the right system, usually a dead-end one with low traffic and absolutely a station. Stay away from Caldari space. You can even jetcan mine with a Miasmos.
However, I did end up getting blown up as new residents moved in, certainly that is something to take into consideration. But the mining value of Jaspet is a good bit higher than that of high-sec ores. |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
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Posted - 2014.11.23 15:54:02 -
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Jur Tissant wrote:But the mining value of Jaspet is a good bit higher than that of high-sec ores.
Nah.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AnERv99119DgdFBHOGdhUjgtelVJTFBQT3paaHA2Ync&hl=en_US&pli=1#gid=0
Youre looking at a difference of about 20M per hour going for jaspet, and that's assuming youre left alone, dont need to go hide, etc. Stick to hisec if you wanna mine.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
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Posted - 2014.11.23 15:55:50 -
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Only mine in low-sec if you want to learn the ropes of how to survive as hunted game in a hostile environment or if you are bait to hunt the hunters.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
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Posted - 2014.11.23 16:13:27 -
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Friday Football wrote:Is there any point to mining in low-sec or is the risk/reward not there?
A couple of people tell me that the real "jump" in the risk/reward comes when you mine in nullsec.
Thanks. No
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Hicksimus
Volatile Instability Resonance.
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Posted - 2014.11.23 17:13:03 -
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No, especially now that ore sites don't need to be scanned down.
You take flak from everywhere when you try. Lowsec is the ghetto of EvE and as you are undertaking the most hated profession in EvE you'll have a bad time.
Lowsec dwellers will instantly try for an easy kill Bored nullsec players will try to hotdrop you Bored nullsec players hunting lowsec players will without a doubt come after you with 5 billion isk covert T3's I will personally see the rats you killed and log off by them after I scare you away...everything is clear! I'm assuming you are solo ratting, you'll find the battleship rats annoying unless you want to sacrifice yield for tank......and then you make less isk!
Plus as people already said, you'll only make a few more isk per hour in the very best case scenario, but odds are you'll end up upside down and on fire or only mining 10 minutes out of every hour.
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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
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Posted - 2014.11.23 17:26:37 -
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Yeah don't go to lowsec. All lowsec has is Russians chasing you with their ancillary shield boosters.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2014.11.23 17:41:46 -
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Chances are that you're not the 1% of people who do it with a profit. You have higher chances to join a nullsec corp.
Ordinarily I would suggest you to try hisec ice mining, but there's oversupply of it and market is behaving erratically. Give a try to plagioclase, it's the ore of the moment.
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Sugar Kyle
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2014.11.23 18:12:21 -
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With the current state of mining and the static behavior of resource collection, low sec is not the most optimal place for most to mine. Some do so and do it quite successfully. They tend to be groups that have some area control, defense, intel groups, and over arching plan beyond going to belts and grabbing ore.
I'd like it to be a better, more interesting set of options, creating a task that matches the mechanics and potentials of low sec.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.23 18:15:08 -
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Mag's wrote:Friday Football wrote:Is there any point to mining.......... No.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
2176
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Posted - 2014.11.23 18:25:21 -
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Yes, with a scram, lots of tank and friends close by. Can be fun.
Maybe make friends with the locals and offer to be bait for them.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1575
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Posted - 2014.11.23 19:53:15 -
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It can be done but you need to search dotlan for quiet systems. Don't go into Factional Warfare regions.
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2014.11.23 20:02:27 -
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What are all you people talking about?
Mining in low-security empire is amazing! There is soooooooo much money to be made here. I mean, just the other day some of my weaker ridiculously bad friends made the jump from high-sec to low-sec. They are making a killing mining belts and belts of untouched ore. It's like a freaking gold mine out here.
You should totally ignore the previous 10 or 20 posts. These guys are not experts in rock. Trust me, I will guide you.
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
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Posted - 2014.11.23 20:26:09 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:You have to be practically insane to mine in lowsec as the danger is incredibly high and the payout just isn't that good.
I do it all the time.
Me too. It gives me a boner.
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Lister Dax
Intergalactic Trade and Harm
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Posted - 2014.11.23 21:01:40 -
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Unless you find a really quiet system, you will probably loose ISK/hr warping in and out etc. There isn't a major difference in earning from low to hi sec ores. |
Barbara Nichole
Cryogenic Consultancy
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Posted - 2014.11.24 03:57:09 -
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Ormand Audel wrote:...but highsec ores are worth the most, even over null...... um what!?
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
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Posted - 2014.11.24 04:01:35 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Ormand Audel wrote:...but highsec ores are worth the most, even over null...... um what!?
You can do a quick check of market value per m3 of high vs. null ores and verify this to be true for yourself.
Surprising, isn't it?
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.24 05:59:01 -
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losec mining ? no no no
Losec Pi planets ? Now that is a different ballgame. |
roxtarr
Xolti Sect
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:50:46 -
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If only they can leverage the Rorqual changes to make low/null/wh mining more possible.... like a warp core stabilizing field or some sort of other defensive capabilities |
Ormand Audel
14th Legion The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.11.24 13:49:31 -
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Barbara Nichole wrote:Ormand Audel wrote:...but highsec ores are worth the most, even over null...... um what!? All following math assumes a Skiff with 2MLU, no implants or boosts and perfect skills with a hauler alt, selling to buy orders in Jita. You mine 61880m3/hr.
Kernite has 1.2m3 volume. 61880/1.2 = 51566 kernite/hour. 51566*250 (value of kernite) = 12891500 12.8m/hour.
Next we have Crokite. 16m3 volume. 3867 units/hour. Each unit is worth 2465isk. 9532155. 9.5m/hour. |
Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.24 16:32:38 -
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Yeah. I've quickly found out that for all purpose manufacture (read: for mineral self-consumption) it's actually better to throw loot items to the grinder, at a salvage loss, and just stockpile the minerals. No asteroid will be harmed in the process!
Of course this implies doing missions, as opposed to mining killmails, but no doubt everyone can tell which is better! |
Liz Laser
Blood Tribe Inc Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2014.11.24 18:48:35 -
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If you see me mining in low-sec, I am bait.
That being said, I did lose a Covetor, once, to someone in low-sec who managed to survive the cloaked blues that were around me. Props to that pilot.
I can't think of a reason to mine in low-sec, EXCEPT to attract PvP.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3694
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Posted - 2014.11.25 02:08:36 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:With the current state of mining and the static behavior of resource collection, low sec is not the most optimal place for most to mine. Some do so and do it quite successfully. They tend to be groups that have some area control, defense, intel groups, and over arching plan beyond going to belts and grabbing ore.
I'd like it to be a better, more interesting set of options, creating a task that matches the mechanics and potentials of low sec.
This.
The major issue that hasn't been mentioned yet is the additional risk and cost involved in getting your ore (or minerals) to market. In highsec you can haul your ore via tanky orca to a trade hub in relative safety in 5 to 10 minutes, or pay a useful idiot to do it for you. In lowsec, you need to scout a safe path and you are probably spending 20-30 minutes getting the Orca or freighter out to a hub and a higher risk of losing it.
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Trevor Dalech
Adeptus Assassinorum Silent Eviction
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Posted - 2014.11.25 07:30:57 -
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The only point to mining in low sec is to provide easy targets for pirates. |
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