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Katlyn Koreth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.23 19:58:48 -
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Ok, so I want to mostly do exploration and industry, but also want to be useful in pvp when I feel like hopping in to the fray. What do you suggest? I was thinking about focusing on frigates..
Does it make sense to max out Frigate to V? Do I get access to better frigates? If so, are they good enough to hold their own in combat, or should I look to destroyers? |
Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.11.23 21:07:16 -
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Where are you thinking of fighting? If you are already an explorer then consider skilling into drones and enough propulsion jamming to fit scram and web. Take a mobile depot and switch some of your midslots to tackle when you think you have a good opportunity to hunt.
If you want to learn PvP as opposed to simple ganks then frigates are fantastic to learn in. Cheap, easy to replace, and quite challenging to get right because of the fast pace. These require strong navigation skills for speed and agility as well as your primary weapon (eg hybrids) and tank (eg armour) skills. Consider Tristan if you go with the Astero idea above.
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Navaa Mar
Aveli Corporation
0
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Posted - 2014.11.23 22:24:10 -
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Rifters are extremely popular frigates in PvP, and are extremely cheap if you lose them. Here are some example fits you could use from E-uni. They also have a lot of good articles that could get you started on how to fly it.
http://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Rifter |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4855
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Posted - 2014.11.23 22:52:55 -
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Katlyn Koreth wrote:Ok, so I want to mostly do exploration and industry, but also want to be useful in pvp when I feel like hopping in to the fray. What do you suggest? I was thinking about focusing on frigates..
Does it make sense to max out Frigate to V? Do I get access to better frigates? If so, are they good enough to hold their own in combat, or should I look to destroyers?
Focus on frigates is indeed a very good posibility for those who want to do "some side PvP".
Level 5 opens up T2 frigate possibilities. They are good, but as with ALL ships in EVE they have their pros and cons. So in a situations they can be god themself, in another they can be butchered easily.
As for good enough on their own, both Dessies and T2 ships, as stated above have their situations where they shine and situations where you wished you picked a different ship.
My personal suggestion. Get T2 frigates and up to T1 cruiser skills. This gives you the ability to fly well over half the ships that can be used for PvP so you have options.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3666
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Posted - 2014.11.23 23:46:12 -
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Reading between the lines, it appears from your question that you have a mindset "Bigger is better" with ships.
Purge that thought from your mind now.
Instead, think it terms of frigates as being like disease carrying mosquitoes. They don't inflict grievous wounds quickly, but they are infuriating, will eventually kill you if you don't get help, and are really, really hard to kill if you are a battleship (a person with a cricket bat). Bigger ships are more durable and do more damage, but pay a huge price in accuracy and being easier to hit. Very few battleships can kill a frigate at all, and the frigate can stop the battleship escaping.
You can succeed in PVP with frigates, cruisers, battleships and capital ships. Each have their own nuances and situations where they are stronger or weaker. I personally favor the cruiser class and particularly the tech 2 Heavy Assault Cruisers, although most of my corp favor the Assault Frigate (tech 2 frigates that sacrifice some mobility for durability and improved damage).
My suggestion: Train all of the classes to level 3 or 4 (except battleships if you can't afford to lose them which most people in this forum can't) and go and lose some of them in fights. Learn their weaknesses and strengths, and which ones you like the 'feel' of. Then, train heavily into that class (a few level 5 skills). For me the Vexor was the first ship I found success with; for you it may be something completely different.
And always focus on the core skills that benefit all ships.
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Katlyn Koreth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.11.23 23:57:23 -
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Thanks. I am training Frigate V now...mostly for the Covert Ops ships which I know I will use. But will open up T2 Frigates if I want to pvp down the road.
Thanks all! Great advice |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7072
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Posted - 2014.11.24 00:02:52 -
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Katlyn Koreth wrote:Do I get access to better frigates? yes, yes you do.
you get assault frigs* , ewar frigs , covops and stealth bombers
*the Ishkur in particular is a nightmare for anything larger than a destroyer to engage solo
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
210
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Posted - 2014.11.24 10:30:09 -
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Frigate PvP is lots of fun. Getting good at frigates takes quite a lot of core skills for tight fits, especially bombers. But these core skill will also let you competently fly a cruiser with a proper fit.
Bombers are really a lot of fun, but hard to fly right. Cheap t1 frigs are just baller. A good Rifter or Merlin cost less than a bean and the NPSI fleets like spectre fleet will often give them [cheap frigates] out free.
There is always space in a fleet for a hero tackle/cepters. Often these are the most experienced pilots, so don't assume it just a newbie thing.
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Ormand Audel
14th Legion The Bloc
8
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Posted - 2014.11.24 11:03:28 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Katlyn Koreth wrote:Do I get access to better frigates? yes, yes you do. you get assault frigs* , ewar frigs , covops and stealth bombers *the Ishkur in particular is a nightmare for anything larger than a destroyer to engage solo Edit: im surprised i had not linked you this before but if your looking for fun at someone else's expense (one of the hallmarks of an eve player ) this is a great way to start (patience is a virtue btw). What makes the Ishkur better than the Enyo? Other than the fact that droooones. Why would you go the Ishkur>Enyo when the enyo can put out more dps (and apply it well)? Range? |
London James
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2014.11.24 13:39:49 -
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Katlyn Koreth wrote:Ok, so I want to mostly do exploration and industry, but also want to be useful in pvp when I feel like hopping in to the fray. What do you suggest? I was thinking about focusing on frigates..
Does it make sense to max out Frigate to V? Do I get access to better frigates? If so, are they good enough to hold their own in combat, or should I look to destroyers?
OP first, give this a look/listen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSS5dEeMX64
Then, after you are pumped up enough from the vid, look into t1 frigates, fit a few, and head to low sec.
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Thanatos Marathon
Phoibe Enterprises
360
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Posted - 2014.11.24 15:17:31 -
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Katlyn Koreth wrote:Ok, so I want to mostly do exploration and industry, but also want to be useful in pvp when I feel like hopping in to the fray. What do you suggest? I was thinking about focusing on frigates..
Does it make sense to max out Frigate to V? Do I get access to better frigates? If so, are they good enough to hold their own in combat, or should I look to destroyers?
If you are doing exploration and want to use the same toon to expand into PVP train to Frig V and then get yourself a cov ops scanning frig. Use that and start poking around lowsec, get used to watching local, dscanning, cloaking as you warp off of gates. Once you are comfortable doing that you could change your fit and design it to camp data/relic sites or get yourself an Astero.
You may also want to spend some time finding a corp that would be a decent fit for you. |
Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
161
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Posted - 2014.11.24 16:55:38 -
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Katlyn Koreth wrote:Ok, so I want to mostly do exploration and industry, but also want to be useful in pvp when I feel like hopping in to the fray. What do you suggest? I was thinking about focusing on frigates..
Does it make sense to max out Frigate to V? Do I get access to better frigates? If so, are they good enough to hold their own in combat, or should I look to destroyers?
If you want to do exploration and pvp, covops would be ideal. Getting frigates v would allow you to fly cov ops ships, which include bombers and exploration. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3689
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Posted - 2014.11.25 00:43:12 -
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Ormand Audel wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Katlyn Koreth wrote:Do I get access to better frigates? yes, yes you do. you get assault frigs* , ewar frigs , covops and stealth bombers *the Ishkur in particular is a nightmare for anything larger than a destroyer to engage solo Edit: im surprised i had not linked you this before but if your looking for fun at someone else's expense (one of the hallmarks of an eve player ) this is a great way to start (patience is a virtue btw). What makes the Ishkur better than the Enyo? Other than the fact that droooones. Why would you go the Ishkur>Enyo when the enyo can put out more dps (and apply it well)? Range?
Drones can apply damage at 1km, or at 51km. This is a huge advantage in combat.
The Ishkur isn't a high damage ship, but it is ridiculously hard to kill given that it can operate at either point blank range (against anything with medium or large guns) or at warp disruptor range (against anything with small guns).
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Ormand Audel
14th Legion The Bloc
10
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Posted - 2014.11.25 03:12:21 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Ormand Audel wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Katlyn Koreth wrote:Do I get access to better frigates? yes, yes you do. you get assault frigs* , ewar frigs , covops and stealth bombers *the Ishkur in particular is a nightmare for anything larger than a destroyer to engage solo Edit: im surprised i had not linked you this before but if your looking for fun at someone else's expense (one of the hallmarks of an eve player ) this is a great way to start (patience is a virtue btw). What makes the Ishkur better than the Enyo? Other than the fact that droooones. Why would you go the Ishkur>Enyo when the enyo can put out more dps (and apply it well)? Range? Drones can apply damage at 1km, or at 51km. This is a huge advantage in combat. The Ishkur isn't a high damage ship, but it is ridiculously hard to kill given that it can operate at either point blank range (against anything with medium or large guns) or at warp disruptor range (against anything with small guns). Yeah, I understand that, but when fighting specifically medium-large things (e.g. mission runners), what's the benefit of the Ishkur? You'll probably always be fighting at close range. Although you could be doing damage while getting into range, that shouldn't take very long. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3702
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Posted - 2014.11.25 03:36:54 -
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You can also select your damage type with the Ishkur. An Enyo isn't going to do much damage to a person running Serpentis missions. An Ishkur can whelp them with EM or explosive drones.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Katlyn Koreth
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2014.11.25 15:38:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
Drones can apply damage at 1km, or at 51km. This is a huge advantage in combat.
The Ishkur isn't a high damage ship, but it is ridiculously hard to kill given that it can operate at either point blank range (against anything with medium or large guns) or at warp disruptor range (against anything with small guns).
i was wondering this as well...to what extent do drones impact pvp? Are they mostly a PVE thing, or is focusing on drone skills a viable career path in pvp? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7087
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Posted - 2014.11.25 16:12:37 -
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Ormand Audel wrote:Yeah, I understand that, but when fighting specifically medium-large things (e.g. mission runners), what's the benefit of the Ishkur? You'll probably always be fighting at close range. Although you could be doing damage while getting into range, that shouldn't take very long. assuming your diligent enough to have some warrior II's you can set them on the drones of whatever Goliath you are trying to kill which will cut their only real defence against you out of the equation faster than your guns can.
in the case of something like a domi, ishtar , myrm or any drone bonused hull this is all that keeps you in the fight, clearing their drone immediately should be your first priority as they are all that will be effective against a sig tanked frigate and the ishkur can do this much better than an enyo.
another advantage of doing this is it will force them to manage their drones and if you can afford to fit a neut in there you are then pressuring them on cap, tank(if you keep the guns on their hull) and drones, most mission runners will panic under that and **** up on something giving you a massive advantage if you spot where they are slipping.
yeah it takes a metric **** ton of micro managing for a frigate but even that has an advantage of teaching you how to do so under pressure .
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