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Friday Football
Solitarius Forti Dominatiae Essentia
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:18:14 -
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So I'm a newcomer to EVE. Enjoying my experience. I decided to go "all-in" and got two alts in addition to my main (3 chars).
1 char for fighting, 1 char for mining and 1 char for exploration/leadership/hauling.
My question is, and i know this is VERY open-ended...is it worth having a mining alt to generate isk for myself or should i just cancel the mining account and buy a plex.
As a noobie miner, I can make like 10-20m isk / hr. Even at 15m an hour, it would take 53 hours or so to generate the typical amount for a PLEX. Even from a gameplay standpoint, I'd rather invest those 50 hours into practicing PVP.
When could I expect to make 50/m an hour or so as a miner (if ever)? |
Medalyn Isis
Aliastra Gallente Federation
432
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:22:05 -
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Honestly, a miner is useful to have, but as a means to generate isk it is a very poor method, and certainly should not warrant an entire account. That is unless you have some sort of brain malfunction and really enjoy mining, in which case you have my sympathy. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
517
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:24:43 -
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Hello friend
Nothing wrong with that, just make sure you are not AFK, tank your ship, purchase a mining permit and follow the Code, the law of Highsec.
EDIT: If you are looking for fun while playing the game during your free time you rather just join us and gank miners and stuff. Catalysts get reimbursed and there are a lot of opportunities to make ISK while exploding stuff.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
108
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:24:54 -
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Medalyn Isis wrote:Honestly, a miner is useful to have, but as a means to generate isk it is a very poor method, and certainly should not warrant an entire account. That is unless you have some sort of brain malfunction and really enjoy mining, in which case you have my sympathy.
lovely insults!
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
161
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:27:28 -
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I love mining. The mining alt is fine if you want to multitask, some missions have decent ore and you wont have to worry about getting shot at
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
312
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:28:20 -
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you will die of boredom and quit eve
actually begging near the train station nets you better cash flow than mining in eve.
gank bears are always on stand-by, and they will be there to harvest the tears of the untouched bear
safe way to make some starting isk comes down to ratting. Especially when you join a null sec corporation and kill your first rat Battleship class.
then the amount of time you have while EVE is still hot and new is limited to your neuro-sensory inner quality. So make your best way to enjoy the quality time in EVE.
if you start take the game like work, you will be torturing yourself and hating your fingers that press the buttons repeatedly
This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
1710
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:29:13 -
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For a serious reply (Ignore Code, just fit a tank and they normally won't bother you anyway), you won't make 50 mil/hr mining regularly. If you are in Null, using a Max skilled hulk, and have a max skilled rorqual boosting you, and you are mining the most lucrative ore you might. Without boosts 20/hour is a sustainable number. Anything more than that you are doing well on.
However, don't forget about Planetary Interaction which you can train fairly fast in all 3 slots per account and if you manage it will give you that bit extra income to help make your life easier. |
Friday Football
Solitarius Forti Dominatiae Essentia
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:32:18 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:For a serious reply (Ignore Code, just fit a tank and they normally won't bother you anyway), you won't make 50 mil/hr mining regularly. If you are in Null, using a Max skilled hulk, and have a max skilled rorqual boosting you, and you are mining the most lucrative ore you might. Without boosts 20/hour is a sustainable number. Anything more than that you are doing well on.
However, don't forget about Planetary Interaction which you can train fairly fast in all 3 slots per account and if you manage it will give you that bit extra income to help make your life easier.
Thanks - this seems like a good answer.
I really don't want to spend the equivalent of 50 hours mining for what is essentially $20 or so. I don't "enjoy" mining per se - i just thought it could be a good way to make some ISK. |
DaReaper
Net 7
1362
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:32:30 -
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*flashes vet badge*
11 (almost) year vet, miner by trade, all around char in general.
Mining is a decent way to get a little cash. But you need to not just focus on ore. For example, your mining alt could go into a prospect and use your exploration alt to scan down wormholes and you can ninja the ore in some of them can make an easy 100m an hour, if you time it right and are careful.
You can also mine ice with a decent rate or return
And your mining alt can very easily become a full on industry alt and thus give you full access to the means of production as well as a supply chain.
My advise, try mining and other industry activities for a few days or a week, and decide if its something you REALLY want to do. If you are stabbing your eyes out with an ice pick after a few hours then i'd let the miner laps and go for a plex. But if your like 'meh this is not to bad' having that alt could greatly enhance your experience in the future if you need to do stuff like pos operations, or make stuff.
Hope that helps. Also, you could very easily train your explorer alt to mine in a few hours, then you can explore AND mine on one char. But tis up to you. I have an industry alt who mines (me) a pvp/explorer alt and a pure hauler alt. Also 3 alts doing pi can net you a rather hefty profit.
And ignore the code dude asking for a mining permit, if you play smart you are never bothered by anyone in code.
Good luck and welcome to eve
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
298
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:32:44 -
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I love mining but in terms of straight time invested and your return the average person is stupid to mine for isk. That being said I can generate 5 plex a month for subs plus pvp isk, but and its a big but, I have a lot of time on my hands and I enjoy the downtime of mining in between the pvp fleet stuff.
Your better off with a straight FW farming alt or a mission runner in terms of actual income made. The thing with mining is threefold; either you have a lot of time and enjoy it, you scale it with as many accounts as you can or you enjoy the relaxing nature of mining. Its not a huge income maker on a single account, even a miner and hauler/boosting toon combo is overshadowed by two miners and no boost. You really need quite a few accounts to make mining more productive than other avenues of raw income.
That being said theres quite a few people that do enjoy mining a lot. Its not glamorous nor is it super lucrative but its a nice relaxing profession. The other thing is the skill requirement is fairly low to get into or max versus the other professions.
FW plexing alt, mission runner, data/relic hunter in null sec are all solo activities that pay well with lowish skill requirements.
Strength isnt measured in numbers but in force of will. For if one motived willful individual stands many will fall around him that are weak.
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
518
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:40:51 -
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Look, to all the "ignore the Code dude" people. I don't think it is a good idea to give such bad advice to a newish player. Now he will probably lose his ship because of the lack of a permit, quit EVE and CCP will lose money because of it. I urge you to not ruin the experience of new players with such false information. In the end it's your fault if they lose their mining ships.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Medalyn Isis
Aliastra Gallente Federation
432
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Posted - 2014.11.24 19:46:50 -
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Friday Football wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:For a serious reply (Ignore Code, just fit a tank and they normally won't bother you anyway), you won't make 50 mil/hr mining regularly. If you are in Null, using a Max skilled hulk, and have a max skilled rorqual boosting you, and you are mining the most lucrative ore you might. Without boosts 20/hour is a sustainable number. Anything more than that you are doing well on.
However, don't forget about Planetary Interaction which you can train fairly fast in all 3 slots per account and if you manage it will give you that bit extra income to help make your life easier. Thanks - this seems like a good answer. All the answers are good advice except for one of them. At your stage in your career you don't need a separate mining account. Stick to two accounts is my advice unless you have enough real world money to fund them.
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Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
995
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:09:34 -
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If these alts are all on separate accounts, inter-regional trading can be very lucrative. Park 1 alt in Jita as a buyer (this one doesnt even need any skills, as all you'll be doing with it is buying,) and another alt in 1 of the other hubs as your reseller. Ignoring all the unnecessary trading skills (you wont need margin trading, or skills that grow your range, for example,) you can have a decently trained seller alt in 8-10 days, the only skills you'll really need are those that increase your max # of orders and that lessen taxes and broker fees. This also means that once you have your base skills down for the seller alt (like I said, 8-10 days or so) you can start training a "real" toon, like a PVP alt on the same account.
Now you either make your own channel or just open a convo between your two sellers. Buy lower in Jita sell higher in Dodixie or Amarr. You probably have no idea what items to look for, so head on over to www.eve-central.com and use their trade tools to look up items and their prices. Best result is to compare 2 systems (the bottom option under trade tools) and get a list of items in Jita selling for X compared to selling in Dixie for Y. You can enter in a max price on the items so you don't blow your budget. You want a private convo or your own channel so you can copy the item's name on 1 toon, tab over and paste the name in the market browser on the other toon - saves a lot of time.
It takes a little money to get started, but your cash will grow exponentially if you keep reinvesting your returns, and you can start out small with cheap, high volume items like faction ammo.
If indeed all THREE toons are on different accounts and your computer can handle it, park the miner in front of some 'roids and start mining, tab over to the browser, get an item in mind, check the price in Jita, tab over, check the price in amarr, check sales history and make sure the item actually sells, and buy it on the Jita toon. Whenever you feel rdy, move the goods on 1 of the traders to the reselling system. Since your buyer doesnt NEED any skills, you can skill him up into industrial ships and eventually a blockade runner or freighter. I highly recommend a blockade runner because they are so FAST, + they can cloak. I ended up selling my freighter, because I could move tons of ISK worth of stuff in the blockade runner. IMO the only reason to keep the freighter would have been to move ships or POS modules, neither of which interest me anymore, it's just not worth the hassle.
There's a couple other things you can do to increase your income without too much hassle, as well. Feel free to hit me up in game sometime, I'd be happy to help you out.
\m/ O.o \m/
"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
309
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:23:37 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Look, to all the "ignore the Code dude" people. I don't think it is a good idea to give such bad advice to a newish player. Now he will probably lose his ship because of the lack of a permit, quit EVE and CCP will lose money because of it. I urge you to not ruin the experience of new players with such false information. In the end it's your fault if they lose their mining ships.
No, the loss of a ship falls squarely on the head of the capsuleer piloting it for some failure - either a failure to pay proper attention to their surroundings, a failure to take adequate precautions, or a failure to properly provide defense for their space boat. Don't put their short comings on us when you choose to exploit them.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Jur Tissant
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
336
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:34:19 -
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Oh lord, no, not a mining alt. As you said it will be very difficult to justify the cost of a PLEX. PI has been recommended and I highly encourage you to look into it, you can make something around 1.3-1.4bil ISK per month per account (= 3 character slots, one month training for each character). But mining is only really good, in my opinion, as a fleet op or while watching Netflix or reading a book etc.
But honestly, ask yourself if you really need an alt. Bear in mind that any character in EVE can do anything, it's just a matter of what you want to devote your training time towards, having an alt allows you to run two separate training queues and play concurrently. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
522
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:39:33 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Look, to all the "ignore the Code dude" people. I don't think it is a good idea to give such bad advice to a newish player. Now he will probably lose his ship because of the lack of a permit, quit EVE and CCP will lose money because of it. I urge you to not ruin the experience of new players with such false information. In the end it's your fault if they lose their mining ships. No, the loss of a ship falls squarely on the head of the capsuleer piloting it for some failure - either a failure to pay proper attention to their surroundings, a failure to take adequate precautions, or a failure to properly provide defense for their space boat. Don't put their short comings on us when you choose to exploit them. A mining permit is probably the most important piece of equipment when it comes to adequate precautions. If you tell new players to simply ignore this fact then you are indeed responsible if a certain antimatter incident should occur. I am not sure what you mean by exploiting, I am just here to help.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7264
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:52:09 -
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OP, Ignore the CHOAD propaganda, you don't need a permit to do anything in this game, it's a sandbox, do whatever you want that amuses you or justifies keeping a subscription.
Best to not make mining your only income source. Solely mining to pay your sub is also probably not going to be very enjoyable. Try it and see (and use a tanked Procurer) and you can make your own determination.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:52:59 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Look, to all the "ignore the Code dude" people. I don't think it is a good idea to give such bad advice to a newish player. Now he will probably lose his ship because of the lack of a permit, quit EVE and CCP will lose money because of it. I urge you to not ruin the experience of new players with such false information. In the end it's your fault if they lose their mining ships. No, the loss of a ship falls squarely on the head of the capsuleer piloting it for some failure - either a failure to pay proper attention to their surroundings, a failure to take adequate precautions, or a failure to properly provide defense for their space boat. Don't put their short comings on us when you choose to exploit them.
You're both wrong. Its clearly my fault if he loses a ship, because its always the bad guy's fault, no matter what. With great forum power, comes great accountability.. probably.
Never mind the 600 of my henchmen the good guy massacres on the way to kill me, all that matters is that one life I took, making me the bad guy. "Hero Logic". My henchmen had families too dammit! Do you know how many condolence letters the HR dept of a Evil empire has to send out on a daily basis? DO YOU??!! I can tell you, the faces of those little children I have to tell that their daddy wont be coming home because Capt Good Guy decided to garat them instead of knocking them out in order to get to that arbitrary console 30 feet away from them.. it just slays me. Every damn time. You know, when I attack a planet, I give plenty of notice.. and even more time when I monologue for like 40 minutes while my planet killing weapon is charging up, and then I give a countdown.. I mean.. who does that? Do the good guys ever give MY people more than 5 seconds notice before they set off explosives and send my reactor critical? HMMMM???? Good guys ships never have enough escape pods.. always some people need to sacrifice themselves to save others. All of MY ships have adequate amount of escape pods, and even some extras in case some good guys need to use them too. Is it too much to ask, That the bad guys be given the same courtesy that we show the rest of the universe? But NOOOOOoooooo, We did a bad thing once, therefore, we are always bads, but the good guys kill people every damn day.. but they get to be goods. To hell with that! **** you good guys! **** you Mr Hero.
Where was I going with this?
Randy, bring me my clipboard.. I need to see If I missed any major speaking points during that..
*mumbles to self*
No, it looks like I covered just about everything there.. Randy, can you read the last bit back to me before I send this?
What? you've been typing this whole time? Is this sent out in real time???? Dude..
Randy.. Randy, I don't care.. look, just fix it..
WHY ARE YOU STILL TYPING THIS??!!?!?
::Sigh:: This is what I get for using a temp service to replace lost personel. Look, Just stop typing.. Stop.. I can see your fingers moving.. I can hear the keys Randy.. Randy... Don't make me unplug that keyboard Randy..
Are you happy now Randy? Now ive got to get my cloak all dirty under this table.. God there is a rats nest of cables down here.. who the hell set this thing up? Randy, is the keyboard PS2 or USB? What? I don't know.. look at the label under the thing.. Ok.. USB huh.. man.. there are like 6 USBs plugged in..
Ok.. how about now? is the keyboard still working? The printer?!!!?? This is like 20000 years int he future.. why do we have printers? for that matter.. Why are we still using USB 2.0?!??!?! Damn you Randy.. I can still hear you typing up there.. Ok.. I think this is it right he..
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
310
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:56:07 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:*comedy ******* gold*
I have literal tears falling from eyes fromn laughing so hard. Well played sir, well played.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
310
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Posted - 2014.11.24 20:58:49 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:Ima Wreckyou wrote:Look, to all the "ignore the Code dude" people. I don't think it is a good idea to give such bad advice to a newish player. Now he will probably lose his ship because of the lack of a permit, quit EVE and CCP will lose money because of it. I urge you to not ruin the experience of new players with such false information. In the end it's your fault if they lose their mining ships. No, the loss of a ship falls squarely on the head of the capsuleer piloting it for some failure - either a failure to pay proper attention to their surroundings, a failure to take adequate precautions, or a failure to properly provide defense for their space boat. Don't put their short comings on us when you choose to exploit them. A mining permit is probably the most important piece of equipment when it comes to adequate precautions. If you tell new players to simply ignore this fact then you are indeed responsible if a certain antimatter incident should occur. I am not sure what you mean by exploiting, I am just here to help.
Hey hey. Their inability to use proper antimatter handling and containment guidelines, as specified int he CONCORD manual of Material Handling and Safety (YC 114 edition), is in no way my fault. My ships aren't blowing up from random antimatter detonations, and frankly that's all I care about.
Also, I don't like your goggles. I wasn't going to say it, but I just can't bear to look at them anymore.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7268
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Posted - 2014.11.24 21:00:36 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Randy... Randy... Randy!!!
You should know better.. Randy is only good at two things: Eating cheeseburgers and not wearing a shirt.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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ISD Ezwal
isd community communications liaisons
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Posted - 2014.11.24 21:29:25 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them. As always I let some edge cases stay. Please people, keep it on topic and above all civil!
The Rules: 27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
This thread has also been moved to EVE New Citizens Q&A.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4858
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Posted - 2014.11.24 22:22:48 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Yes you can make a lot of ISK with mining. Simply level your ship like you would your gear in other MMOs until you have the best possible equipment with max yield. A Hulk with some faction ore stripminer and Meta 4 mining upgrades are the way to go. Always remember that lower sec status of the system means better ore, so go for a 0.5 system.
Don't worry about the small cargo hold of the Hulk, you can always just mine into cans or you can drop a giant freight container for a lot of storage so you can max your AFK time where you can clean your kitchen or do the laundry or something.
If you want I can give you Orca boost for better yield, just tell me where you are (if you have the maxed Hulk, not worth it before that) and fleet me as soon as I am online.
P.S. considered some different answer at first, but I did not want to derail the thread and go off-topic
Hmz obvious baiting stays obvious.
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Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
820
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Posted - 2014.11.24 22:23:24 -
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Based on the title, I think I understand what you are asking and I don't have a clear answer.
I run 4 accounts and have, many times considered the options, should I run 4 or just drop to one for even 3 to 6 months and bank Plex. In terms of mining, I have ran 3 accounts at once mining and it is force projection in its own right but I don't mine for ISK so much as I do it because I have nothing better to do and I can multi box it. I run all 3 on one computer in windows mode and it works with mining, it sucks for anything else.
The methods don't 'pay' for themselves. Logic and bottom line are in strong favor of just lapsing 3 accounts and hoarding PLEX to sell in Jita but again, the Ore I mine isn't going on the markets. They are assets I view as strategic reserves. Having hundreds of millions of Ores of various kind is a capacity factor that reflects how I see my EVE game. You do need to look at the long term in EVE and long term is partly seeing beyond liquid ISK stocks.
As other have suggested, train all 3 characters in PI but use them too. I have that covered as well, 72 planet capacity and I neglect it 90% of the time. That's very much a flaw on my part. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4372
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Posted - 2014.11.24 22:37:35 -
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I think I would have quit EVE years ago if I had to work in-game rather than have fun.
The monthly fee for an account is about the same as one cheap lunch at a restaurant.
I have 5 annually subscribed accounts. As hobbies go, EVE costs me less than others have. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6827
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Posted - 2014.11.24 22:47:06 -
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Friday Football wrote:
1 char for fighting, 1 char for mining and 1 char for exploration/leadership/hauling.
I don't see a building character in there.
At the price of PLEX right now you'll never mine enough to cover the cost of the acct and still make a little profit. I have a miner that I run AFK whenever I'm logged in on a fun character. But I refine everything I mine and shovel it into my builders hanger to go toward making capital components which I then turn into freighters to use for building jump freighters.
With decent skills you should be able to mine most of the ore for a freighter in a month with one character and that's a much better return than selling the ore.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2235
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Posted - 2014.11.24 23:40:43 -
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Do anything possible to avoid the dreaded "playing the game just to keep playing the game".... then it feels like a job, and that's how you ragequit.
Just pay the sub fees and have fun, man. Grindfests are terribad. Become a PvPer and buy PLEX when you're going broke.
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
[#savethelance]
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5564
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Posted - 2014.11.25 00:10:17 -
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There are better ways to make ISK than mining. Check the Making ISK guide for some pointers.
As for the CODE posters in this thread, you should read their manifesto before considering any of their "advice": http://www.minerbumping.com/
Day 0 Advice for New Players
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Hicksimus
Volatile Instability Resonance.
432
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Posted - 2014.11.25 00:12:23 -
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2 alts is 2 plex => you can have nearly 2 billion per month instantly OR as a new player you can grind maybe 30 hours per account to make the same isk. So go work 30 more hours IRL, get at least $250+ and buy PLEX.
Recruitment Officer: What type of a pilot are you?
Me: I've been described as a Ray Charles with Parkinsons and a drinking problem.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3688
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Posted - 2014.11.25 00:14:50 -
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Mining is exceptionally boring and will make you the target of predators, including (but not limited to) my alliance.
My philosophy is that you should only engage in wealth generation activities that you actively enjoy in-game. Mining is probably second only to hauling in boredom.
I see you are in a player corporation. Are you aware that CONCORD will not intervene if you attack one of your corpmates in highsec? You might just be able to ransom one of them for a couple hundred million ISK to get yourself started. If they fly mining ships you can attack them with just about anything, if they are flying battleships, you want something small that is too agile for clumsy battleship guns to hit, and either way you want a warp scrambler.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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