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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2014.11.25 03:38:00 -
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I just got back in the game from a sleep.
Where are all the pirates? Chime in already. Crime & Punishment is once again turning into a merc haven.
Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate
Former The Pirate Syndicate Member
Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member
Former Burn Eden member
Former BioMass Cartel member
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3704
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Posted - 2014.11.25 04:39:58 -
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It's not just mercs, there's also the odd 'OH MY GOD!!! XYZ IS A CORP THIEF!!! HERE IS NO PROOF AT ALL!!!' and similar posts.
Piracy needs love in EVE.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
315
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Posted - 2014.11.25 04:51:15 -
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They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3704
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Posted - 2014.11.25 04:53:59 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta.
You should go and gank these ex-pirate miners. Don't worry, even if they have a mining permit, mining AFK is against our rules, so we'd welcome your actions.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
315
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Posted - 2014.11.25 04:57:24 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta. You should go and gank these ex-pirate miners. Don't worry, even if they have a mining permit, mining AFK is against our rules, so we'd welcome your actions.
You must have mistaken me for someone else. I'm a heroic force for Good in Eve, and have never once engaged in suicide ganking. I do support efforts to make mining an activity that can only be done at keyboard, as all isk making endeavors should be. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3704
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Posted - 2014.11.25 05:03:02 -
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Veers Belvar wrote: You must have mistaken me for someone else. I'm a heroic force for Good in Eve, and have never once engaged in suicide ganking. I do support efforts to make mining an activity that can only be done at keyboard, as all isk making endeavors should be.
Piracy is evil and according to this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdSFe0UgB3E leads to genocide. So you should feel completely justified in being naughty for the greater good.
It is, after all, what a heroic force for Good would do.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Leto Thule
Whelp Club
1614
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Posted - 2014.11.25 05:03:44 -
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Famine Aligher'ri wrote:I just got back in the game from a sleep.
Where are all the pirates? Chime in already. Crime & Punishment is once again turning into a merc haven.
Good sir, the answer to your question is a sad story. I am not sure how long you have been gone, but in my short time in game (total active time about two years) we have seen a Nerf train. Many pirates, including some c&p personalities, have left or become very inactive.
Where are the pirates?
Ask the nerfmongers.
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3704
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Posted - 2014.11.25 05:09:01 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Famine Aligher'ri wrote:I just got back in the game from a sleep.
Where are all the pirates? Chime in already. Crime & Punishment is once again turning into a merc haven. Good sir, the answer to your question is a sad story. I am not sure how long you have been gone, but in my short time in game (total active time about two years) we have seen a Nerf train. Many pirates, including some c&p personalities, have left or become very inactive. Where are the pirates? Ask the nerfmongers.
Expanding upon this. Two things have happened.
- The proliferation of killboards and their use as a metric of pilot performance. This means people are less likely to honor ransoms, as a billion ISK killmail is seen as valuable. This means people seldom pay ransoms.
- Secondly, the proliferation of jump freighters. It's very hard to catch one for a ransom compared to a traditional freighter.
This has led to lowsec piracy disappearing and the people that would have been interested in a career as a lowsec pirate migrating to highsec where there is more prey.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Leto Thule
Whelp Club
1614
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Posted - 2014.11.25 05:11:20 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta. You should go and gank these ex-pirate miners. Don't worry, even if they have a mining permit, mining AFK is against our rules, so we'd welcome your actions. You must have mistaken me for someone else. I'm a heroic force for Good in Eve, and have never once engaged in suicide ganking. I do support efforts to make mining an activity that can only be done at keyboard, as all isk making endeavors should be.
Veers, not all pirates are gankers. At the risk of pulling out a soap box for you to hock your wares, I'll chime in.
A pirate is someone who steals, hijacks, ect.
While ganking is definitely a form of piracy, not all gankers are pirates, and certainty not all pirates gank. AWOX, corp theft, and the good old fashioned gatecamp are all ways to make a bit of isk as a pirate. I know you have this notion in your head that all criminals are greifers, but that's very untrue. Its a game that encourages people to utilize whatever means they can to make a profit. Do some do it purely for tears? You bet. They are your griefers, an no, nothing is wrong with that either.
If you really want to do what's "good" for the game, stop trying to undo the cornerstones that have made it successful for over a decade.
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
316
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Posted - 2014.11.25 15:45:14 -
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Leto Thule wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:They decided to go mine ice AFK. Welcome to the new meta. You should go and gank these ex-pirate miners. Don't worry, even if they have a mining permit, mining AFK is against our rules, so we'd welcome your actions. You must have mistaken me for someone else. I'm a heroic force for Good in Eve, and have never once engaged in suicide ganking. I do support efforts to make mining an activity that can only be done at keyboard, as all isk making endeavors should be. Veers, not all pirates are gankers. At the risk of pulling out a soap box for you to hock your wares, I'll chime in. A pirate is someone who steals, hijacks, ect. While ganking is definitely a form of piracy, not all gankers are pirates, and certainty not all pirates gank. AWOX, corp theft, and the good old fashioned gatecamp are all ways to make a bit of isk as a pirate. I know you have this notion in your head that all criminals are greifers, but that's very untrue. Its a game that encourages people to utilize whatever means they can to make a profit. Do some do it purely for tears? You bet. They are your griefers, an no, nothing is wrong with that either. If you really want to do what's "good" for the game, stop trying to undo the cornerstones that have made it successful for over a decade.
Look, I'm a big fan of the lowsec pirates who honor ransoms...I think it adds a very cool element to lowsec. The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone. Since the victim can't rely on ransoms, he won't pay, and everyone comes out behind.
I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident. |
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
802
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Posted - 2014.11.25 15:58:19 -
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This is, unfortunately, subjective to the personal, corporate, or alliance mores of the individuals involved. For example, were I to attempt to ransom you Veers, I would be bound by the principles of my corporation to honor such a ransom. Now, on the other hand, I'm also not compelled to OFFER a ransom unless the circumstances merit such a thing in my opinion. I have actually ransomed a few ships and at least one damsel in the past... and in that particular case both I and the ransomee had quite a good time with the exchange. Piracy is not 100% dead, it's just getting harder as the nerfs keep rolling in. |
Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
104
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:24:11 -
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Famine Aligher'ri wrote:
Where are all the pirates?.
CODE happened. C&P is just filled with tears and CODE crap. Here and there MERC stuff. |
Koz Katral
Sanctuary of Shadows Overload Everything
77
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:26:03 -
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The pirates are on fail heap where they can express their true feelings for each other without any constraint on their autism. |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1597
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:27:41 -
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Koz Katral wrote:The pirates are on fail heap where they can express their true feelings for each other without any constraint on their autism. Playing Elite:Dangerous? I know its beta, but hardly fail-heap...
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Would you like to know more?
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1597
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:37:24 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:...The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone... ..ostensibly its only ruined for people who allow themselves to be tackled.
Quote: I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident.
Im not sure by what frame of reference anyone should give a crap about what you think Veers...But hey, its a new world evidently, where a community organizer with no real experience or track record can become president and destroy a country, so why not let a carebear nobody decree how best to destroy a virtual world...
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Would you like to know more?
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
318
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:26:58 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:...The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone... ..ostensibly its only ruined for people who allow themselves to be tackled. Quote: I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident.
Im not sure by what frame of reference anyone should give a crap about what you think Veers...But hey, its a new world evidently, where a community organizer with no real experience or track record can become president and destroy a country, so why not let a carebear nobody decree how best to destroy a virtual world... F
Cute:)
Actually it's ruined for the pirates who want to make an honest living, because people won't pay ransoms anymore. Result - pirates taking up other professions such as ratting and ice mining.
I mean hey, you could either propose solutions like I do, or instead sit and lament a bygone area with no hope of restoration. It's your move, F. |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
1023
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Posted - 2014.11.25 21:16:03 -
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Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote: Im not sure by what frame of reference anyone should give a crap about what you think Veers...But hey, its a new world evidently, where a community organizer with no real experience or track record can become president and destroy a country, so why not let a carebear nobody decree how best to destroy a virtual world...
F
QFT on all counts.
\m/ O.o \m/
"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
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Paranoid Loyd
2800
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Posted - 2014.11.25 21:26:46 -
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Yarr!
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1017
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Posted - 2014.11.25 21:57:47 -
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We're still here.
It's just getting almost impossibly hard to actually be a pirate anymore.
*gazes longingly at Elite Dangerous*
They have a pirate package , you know......
Oh, and the Beta is officially over. It releases next month. Costs $50 USD.
*starts pricing joysticks*
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
318
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:37:35 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:We're still here.
It's just getting almost impossibly hard to actually be a pirate anymore.
*gazes longingly at Elite Dangerous*
They have a pirate package , you know......
Oh, and the Beta is officially over. It releases next month. Costs $50 USD.
*starts pricing joysticks*
Hmmm....not really so many substantial nerfs to lowsec piracy. ED looks kinda lame so far... |
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Domino Vyse
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
54
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:39:58 -
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Its all gone to shite. |
Leto Thule
Whelp Club
1619
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:02:41 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Mike Adoulin wrote:We're still here.
It's just getting almost impossibly hard to actually be a pirate anymore.
*gazes longingly at Elite Dangerous*
They have a pirate package , you know......
Oh, and the Beta is officially over. It releases next month. Costs $50 USD.
*starts pricing joysticks*
Hmmm....not really so many substantial nerfs to lowsec piracy. ED looks kinda lame so far...
Its not so much nerfs to piracy as it is buffs to everything else. Pirates prey on shipping and resource gatherers. Sabriz hit the bullseye.
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
21588
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:37:20 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident. The Pirate Code
"Remember, as a non-combatant, your best tank is being elsewhere." ~ Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre.
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Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
4435
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Posted - 2014.11.26 05:03:47 -
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To be honest...
For the past couple of months I have been asking myself that same question. As it stands now.
There are pirates and bloody good ones. To be honest I would love to join the tuskers.
I don't even get excited anymore in my hisec wars when 8 -15 people come to engage me. I undock shoot and there is no more of that heart pumping feeling. I know what to expect from myself and what the outcome is going to be based on what they are flying and how they are flying it.
When all of my RL maneuvers are complete I am actually contemplating moving to low and just roam the waste lands and pod back to station when I loose my ship. It is the natural progression and something I should have done a long time ago since low and null is where I started with my PVP.
The Pirate Story thread needs to be rejuvenated.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3748
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Posted - 2014.11.26 05:34:16 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident. The Pirate Code
Clicked link expecting to be sent home to www.minerbumping.com, found something else cool instead
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
14
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Posted - 2014.11.26 05:44:49 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:
Look, I'm a big fan of the lowsec pirates who honor ransoms...I think it adds a very cool element to lowsec. The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone. Since the victim can't rely on ransoms, he won't pay, and everyone comes out behind.
I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident.
If pirates played fair, then they likely wouldn't be pirates.
I mean you have to get serious.
Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate
Former The Pirate Syndicate Member
Former D.e.V.i.a.n.c.e member
Former Burn Eden member
Former BioMass Cartel member
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
321
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:26:46 -
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Famine Aligher'ri wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:
Look, I'm a big fan of the lowsec pirates who honor ransoms...I think it adds a very cool element to lowsec. The problem is that the folks who lie, take the ransom, and then blow the ship up anyways ruin it for everyone. Since the victim can't rely on ransoms, he won't pay, and everyone comes out behind.
I'd love to see some kind of "pirate code of conduct" so that the next time a freighter, orca, or blingy battleship gets caught, they can pay the ransom and know that their ship will be spared. Given the current folks playing the game, I'm not very confident.
If pirates played fair, then they likely wouldn't be pirates. I mean you have to get serious.
You miss the point...both the pirate and the prey would prefer a ransom to needless destruction. What they lack is a mechanism to force both sides to effectuate their long term desires. Game Theory. Prisoners Dilemma. Nash Equilibrium. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3754
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Posted - 2014.11.26 10:50:45 -
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I always honour ransoms except in the most extreme of circumstances (i.e. an out of game issue is the reason I'm attacking the person, such as them posting racist filth in local chat; anyone that does that is getting podded after paying the ransom).
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1017
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Posted - 2014.11.26 13:04:21 -
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I always honor ransoms except, of course, in the case of Veers, who I would gleefully pod and then put his frozen corpse up for auction.
I expect I could probably clear at least 500 million for it.....
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
818
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Posted - 2014.11.26 13:28:07 -
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To be honest I wouldn't sell such a thing were I ever to acquire it. It's not a money thing, it's something else. The smile on my face whenever I saw it sitting in my item hangar isn't something that could be bartered away.
And to be topical, WHEN I offer ransoms I always honor them, as should any member of Lords. I have in the past, and will in the future. Granted, just being on the brink of death does not ensure a ransom will be forthcoming, sometimes I have faith that whatever is going to fall out of the pinata is worth far more than what the victim is willing to pay.
Sometimes the ransom convo is worth as much if not more than the ISK involved to be honest. I ransomed off some guy's damsel a month or two back for a paltry sum, but the verbal exchange was what really made it worthwhile. |
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