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Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.11.28 19:52:35 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp.
Power diagnostic systems in the low slots give a boost to shield EHP. Guess you are not so elite after all! |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
541
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Posted - 2014.11.28 19:53:08 -
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From this day forth dual tanked ships shall be known as Veers-tanked.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
332
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Posted - 2014.11.28 20:07:54 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp. Power diagnostic systems in the low slots give a boost to shield EHP. Guess you are not so elite after all!
An adaptive nano is gonna give you way more ehp than a crummy 5% pds bonus. |
Super Perforator
New Order Logistics CODE.
16
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Posted - 2014.11.28 20:13:17 -
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Veers Belvar is my ALT.
Stress? Just cool it...
A Diplomat for the New Order.
Praise James!
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
332
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Posted - 2014.11.28 20:16:15 -
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Super Perforator wrote:Veers Belvar is my ALT.
EULA violation much? I am not an alt of any CODE member, thank heavens. |
Super Perforator
New Order Logistics CODE.
17
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Posted - 2014.11.28 20:31:11 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Super Perforator wrote:Veers Belvar is my ALT. EULA violation much? I am not an alt of any CODE member, thank heavens.
Only the true messiah denies his divinity...
Stress? Just cool it...
A Diplomat for the New Order.
Praise James!
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
332
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Posted - 2014.11.28 20:34:57 -
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Super Perforator wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Super Perforator wrote:Veers Belvar is my ALT. EULA violation much? I am not an alt of any CODE member, thank heavens. Only the true messiah denies his divinity...
Falsely claiming to be my alt is a EULA violation. Would you like to explain to the ISD's why you are doing so? |
Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
301
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Posted - 2014.11.28 21:01:25 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp. Power diagnostic systems in the low slots give a boost to shield EHP. Guess you are not so elite after all! An adaptive nano is gonna give you way more ehp than a crummy 5% pds bonus.
That is true. However, you stated that "nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields" which is factually incorrect. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
332
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Posted - 2014.11.28 21:11:33 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp. Power diagnostic systems in the low slots give a boost to shield EHP. Guess you are not so elite after all! An adaptive nano is gonna give you way more ehp than a crummy 5% pds bonus. That is true. However, you stated that "nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields" which is factually incorrect.
Notice the word "materially" - a crummy 5% boost to shield EHP won't do much to deter gankers. Significantly cutting your armor resist holes will. |
Renegade Heart
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
301
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Posted - 2014.11.28 21:14:50 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Renegade Heart wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp. Power diagnostic systems in the low slots give a boost to shield EHP. Guess you are not so elite after all! An adaptive nano is gonna give you way more ehp than a crummy 5% pds bonus. That is true. However, you stated that "nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields" which is factually incorrect. Notice the word "materially" - a crummy 5% boost to shield EHP won't do much to deter gankers. Significantly cutting your armor resist holes will.
There are other flaws in your argument. The addition of EHP obtained from the armor resist modules would increase the cost of the gank by a few nados at most. That extra cost would not deter a ganksquad from liberating the purple modules from your carebear ship. |
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Super Perforator
New Order Logistics CODE.
17
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Posted - 2014.11.28 23:00:45 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Super Perforator wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Super Perforator wrote:Veers Belvar is my ALT. EULA violation much? I am not an alt of any CODE member, thank heavens. Only the true messiah denies his divinity... Falsely claiming to be my alt is a EULA violation. Would you like to explain to the ISD's why you are doing so?
Well... if the ISDs were to ask... then I would simply respond that I was claiming that you were MY alt....
of course your EGO wouldn't ever stand for that....
Stress? Just cool it...
A Diplomat for the New Order.
Praise James!
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Ironhand One-Eye
Great Amalgamation of Naughty Killers
2
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Posted - 2014.11.29 00:01:59 -
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Gaming God wrote:Ok tere is high sec and null sec in highsec there is concord to protect you and we have wardecs to be able to kill in high sec so far so good :)
Sounds like a fair system ?
But then there are bling bling mods in highsec the are being sold by the gankers to the rich carebears that are protected by concord.
After the sel of the bling bling mod the go to an locater agent and the wil find the carebear and kill him bevore concord can do anyting ad al .
AHHH there we go concord is a joke ? It is easyer to kil some one in highsec then it is in nulsec ? There is no high sec ?
OK why do the not remove concord because we want gankers to be abel to gank ? And we can see the can gank everyting the want because concord is a JOKE
So remove concord ?
if we do that we can stop the big lie that high sec is safe and that concord wil protect you and ganking wil be legal .
Ganking needs to be legal ? YES . Then why do we have CONCORD ? and HIGHSEC ?
DAM i am so confused :( As per our Code of Coduct, section two:
Quote:"Officer modules are considered contraband. Any pilot found to be in possession of officer modules will be met with the full force of the law."
We respectfully ask that you refrain from fitting officer modules from your sub capital vessel. This is your first and final warning. If the issue continues, we will respond accordingly.
For our full Code of Conduct, please refer to here.
Great Amalgamation of Naughty Killers.
Our goals are simple:
- To spread awareness of the importance of tanking vessels (correctly tanking) to promote a safer, more enjoyable High Security space for all to enjoy. - To ensure the safe moving of high value goods through High Security space. - To teach each pilot, through trial and error, the importance of awareness whilst in High Security space.
Great Amalgamation of Naughty Killers Youtube
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ForTheEmpire2014
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.11.29 02:45:08 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:
There are other flaws in your argument. The addition of EHP obtained from the armor resist modules would increase the cost of the gank by a few nados at most. That extra cost would not deter a ganksquad from liberating the purple modules from your carebear ship.
Oh why stop there? Add some structure rigs too, for that Triple-Tanked Bravadonator! And don't forget to bring a logi fleet too, with a rainbow-repping setup. Really makes those purply mods shine like its Saturday Night!
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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Tyyler DURden
Mordechai and Sons Distribution Co.
41
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Posted - 2014.11.29 02:50:20 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Super Perforator wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Super Perforator wrote:Veers Belvar is my ALT. EULA violation much? I am not an alt of any CODE member, thank heavens. Only the true messiah denies his divinity... Falsely claiming to be my alt is a EULA violation. Would you like to explain to the ISD's why you are doing so? Would YOU like to explain to the ISD's why you've felt the need to come into the forums and sh*t up every thread for the past month or so?
Tyyler DURden says "use soap"
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Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
21
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Posted - 2014.11.29 09:50:57 -
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Well.. His argument is actually kind of sound. It does increase your ehp more than shield mods. But it is wrong. There is a better method. This is a fit following his decription (no purp TC) [Machariel, Veers] Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane Damage Control II
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed Script
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L [empty high slot]
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
So this has 129k. Pretty good. But what happens if you swap the 2 spare lows and the rigs?
[Machariel, Mine] Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer Tobias' Modified Gyrostabilizer Capacitor Power Relay II Capacitor Power Relay II Damage Control II
Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pithum A-Type Adaptive Invulnerability Field Pith X-Type Large Shield Booster Gist X-Type 100MN Afterburner Federation Navy Tracking Computer, Tracking Speed Script
800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L 800mm Repeating Cannon II, EMP L [empty high slot]
Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Core Defense Field Extender II Large Core Defense Field Extender II
What is this? 146k ehp. 1s extra cap life. And the only drawback? It reps 57 less (and a bit higher price but it's over 30bn anyway who care about an extra couple hundred mill). But let's do some math. Over 21s, your fit will rep 13k. So 129+13 = 142k. Now my fit. It reps 12k over 21s. So 146+12=158. What is this? It's.. Better than Veers? Huh! What a big surprise. |
ForTheEmpire2014
Shoot The Messenger
12
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Posted - 2014.11.29 21:31:29 -
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Jurico Elemenohpe wrote: There is a better method.
That there is, my mathematically-marvellous friend!
Why show up in your drab outfit, when you can dazzle them all and be the life of the party? Nobody will EVER forget you flew this ship
[Machariel, GÖŃGÖ¬Disco-FeverGÖ˝GÖŃ]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Estamel's Modified Co-Processor Estamel's Modified Co-Processor Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Reinforced Bulkheads II Damage Control II
Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Caldari Navy Large Shield Extender Target Spectrum Breaker Heavy 'Brave' Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800 Heavy 'Brave' Capacitor Booster, Navy Cap Booster 800
Cormack's Modified Large Plasma Smartbomb Cormack's Modified Large Plasma Smartbomb Tobias' Modified Large Proton Smartbomb Tobias' Modified Large Proton Smartbomb Estamel's Modified Large Graviton Smartbomb Estamel's Modified Large Graviton Smartbomb Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb Draclira's Modified Large EMP Smartbomb
Large Transverse Bulkhead II Large Transverse Bulkhead II Large Transverse Bulkhead II
Cap-boosters last long enough to strut your stuff for the whole song!
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
79
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Posted - 2014.11.29 22:06:15 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? We fit tracking enhancers so our guns track smaller targets easier Or nanofibers so we can close in range quicker and get to each accel gate in less time Or DDA's so our 100m/bit worth of drones do more damage
~ Bookmarks in overview
~ Fleet improvements
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CODE Agent AC
The Conference Elite CODE.
808
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Posted - 2014.11.30 00:43:32 -
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Everything and nothing. Still there is Veers.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á
The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
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CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909
The Conference Elite CODE.
809
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Posted - 2014.11.30 00:43:32 -
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Everything and nothing. Still there is Veers.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.
The terminal end of the digestive system.
The Best CSM Candidate
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Anal Canal
The Conference Elite CODE.
809
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Posted - 2014.11.30 00:43:32 -
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Everything and nothing. Still there is Veers.
The Artist Formerly Known As AC.
The terminal end of the digestive system.
The Best CSM Candidate
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Tora Bushido
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP The Marmite Collective
1429
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Posted - 2014.11.30 00:51:25 -
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Someone shoot me, I gave Veers a LIKE
DISCLAIMER : All of the above replies are not meant as any form of harassment. It's all SciFi.
YOU EITHER LOVE US OR WE HATE YOU - ADAPT OR DIE - DELETE THE WEAK
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
334
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Posted - 2014.11.30 00:59:20 -
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Tora Bushido wrote:Someone shoot me, I gave Veers a LIKE
You would need to undock for that. Zing! |
412nv Yaken
The Conference Elite CODE.
172
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Posted - 2014.11.30 05:10:22 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Someone shoot me, I gave Veers a LIKE You would need to undock for that. Zing!
Good one agent
Respect from the gank fleet you were in last night your damage was on point!
A True Champion of High Security Space
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emylie ramstein
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.12.01 11:39:49 -
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#32 - 2014-11-26 01:19:13 UTC | Like Seriously guys. If all you looked at was that Golem kill, you are missing out
https://zkillboard.com/character/92386597/
Perfect example of having money but no sense? Seriously you are gonna fill your head with that much isk and not figure out how to get your pod out in HS?
22.784.284.643 ISK for 28.998 EHP............
When I see this I applaud the little farm ganking ........ I L4 in Gila with 55,000 EHP 650 DPS which is more than enough for a little challenge on PVE L4 kind "the blockade or Enemies Abound "but to walk around with a ship has almost 23 billion and not even 29 k ehp .............. it's just" scream "I'm a big hamburger eating me quickly !!!!!
in respect of minors who are gank is 95% the same thing ...... that want the max Yeld and wanders with - 10k ehp ..... did little to put intelligence or there is no place ....... if people think in the long term instead of Yeld / min the gank become obsolete ..... I skiff 1 year mine fitted tank and ship lost 0 = x ISK I mine Mack fitted Yeld 1 year and 20-year-old ship lost 1 ISK = X I mine Hulk 1 year and 30 fitted Yeld ship lost in 1 year = X ISK
they are "fictitious" figures, but an absolute reality "try" to understand that the winner finnal is especially not the +% Yeld but the tank - Yeld% without loss or almost zero in ship ^ ^ .......
I play for 4 years and I am not old but I never erode with 6 k ehp as I rarely see on the kill board .... I am against gank which for me na no challenge for kill a guys with 20 vs 1 by advocating the finnal "pro pvp" but when I see people crying to be gank with 6k ehp I congratulate the ganking little bit ...... -Being that one day the "weeping" understand that one ship that is also fitt .....
to sum up:
1 you assigned a number of L4 with 1300 dps and 30k ehp BS and a value of 20 billion??? live the Gank 2 max Yeld you mine with 5 k ehp????? live the Gank
sorry for my English so poor |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
334
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Posted - 2014.12.01 15:15:39 -
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412nv Yaken wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Someone shoot me, I gave Veers a LIKE You would need to undock for that. Zing! Good one agent Respect from the gank fleet you were in last night your damage was on point!
I'm not an agent. I'm an elite PvE player - and I oppose both CHODE and Marmite. |
412nv Yaken
The Conference Elite CODE.
172
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Posted - 2014.12.02 10:17:28 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:412nv Yaken wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Tora Bushido wrote:Someone shoot me, I gave Veers a LIKE You would need to undock for that. Zing! Good one agent Respect from the gank fleet you were in last night your damage was on point! I'm not an agent. I'm an elite PvE player - and I oppose both CHODE and Marmite.
Ok veers...
See you in fleet tomorrow
A True Champion of High Security Space
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Allas-Ruii
ThreeWAVE
7
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Posted - 2014.12.05 07:34:16 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:For those who don't get why you dual tank officer mod fitted ships in highsec.
#CompleteLackOfSituationalAwareness
But please do keep parroting the no dual tank screed, while the purple fitted ships keep xploding. Please, please come clean. You have to be trolling with this. Ok, Sherlock....time to give you some clues. Assume you have a Machariel....you decide to regal it in purple. So in addition to your two A type adaptive and X type shield booster, as well as X type AB, you have 1 open spot. You throw in a purple tracking computer, and now your mids are full. In your lows, you decide to be baller and throw in 4 purple gyros, leaving you with spots. Your rigs are all cap boost rigs. So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp. We have now made it significantly harder for gankers to kill us, they will need more people and bigger ships, which makes ganking a lot less likely. And that, folks, is why you ALWAYS dual tank officer fit mission ships in highsec.
How about not putting Purple and ridiculously expensive blues and faction mods on sub caps in HS? Trust me, you can do Level 4 missions in a basic T1 battleship using a basic T2 fit. If you do so, no one will bother you and if you do get blown up, who cares? Fly in dumb-**** like this and you even get hardened carebears to jump into a catalyst.
What does using a fit like that do? subtract maybe 5 minutes off the time it takes to complete a mission? Is it really worth a major loss like this? Serious questions.
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Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
29
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Posted - 2014.12.05 09:12:39 -
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Allas-Ruii wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Derath Ellecon wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:For those who don't get why you dual tank officer mod fitted ships in highsec.
#CompleteLackOfSituationalAwareness
But please do keep parroting the no dual tank screed, while the purple fitted ships keep xploding. Please, please come clean. You have to be trolling with this. Ok, Sherlock....time to give you some clues. Assume you have a Machariel....you decide to regal it in purple. So in addition to your two A type adaptive and X type shield booster, as well as X type AB, you have 1 open spot. You throw in a purple tracking computer, and now your mids are full. In your lows, you decide to be baller and throw in 4 purple gyros, leaving you with spots. Your rigs are all cap boost rigs. So what do do you do with your 3 lows? Well one is obv a DC (a form of hull tanking, dual tanking ftw!). And the last 2? Well let's ponder. We have massively more gank than we need to tears through any rats. The only threat to us is gankers. And nothing we put in the last 2 slots will materially boost shields. So what do we do? Throw in some armor resist mods to nicely boost our armor ehp. We have now made it significantly harder for gankers to kill us, they will need more people and bigger ships, which makes ganking a lot less likely. And that, folks, is why you ALWAYS dual tank officer fit mission ships in highsec. How about not putting Purple and ridiculously expensive blues and faction mods on sub caps in HS? Trust me, you can do Level 4 missions in a basic T1 battleship using a basic T2 fit. If you do so, no one will bother you and if you do get blown up, who cares? Fly in dumb-**** like this and you even get hardened carebears to jump into a catalyst. What does using a fit like that do? subtract maybe 5 minutes off the time it takes to complete a mission? Is it really worth a major loss like this? Serious questions. Well if it saves 5 minutes on a 15 minute mission, that's an extra 50% isk/hour. If you make 30m/hour now, that gets you to 45. Let's just say 40. So you've spent 10(?)bn on the fit, and you make an extra 10m/hour. That's like 1000 hours to pay it back. Let's assume you're not stupid, you buy it on an alt, haul it safely without being followed and run missions in a back water system and you never get ganked. If you run missions for 10 hours a day, you end up making like 30bn/year extra. That's 2.5bn/month extra. That doesn't include the 4 months to make the isk back though. |
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