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Dustpuppy
Rox Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.27 09:10:45 -
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After reading x pages i still don't unterstand why isboxer guys try to protect round robbin From being banned. This function gives you an advantage over a player who has to alt+tab through The clients and The function interacts with The Eve world. Not allowed, Done . O/ |
wheniaminspace
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
37
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Posted - 2014.12.27 10:01:04 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsZESJoHftI |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4834
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Posted - 2014.12.27 10:01:05 -
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Dustpuppy wrote:After reading x pages i still don't unterstand why isboxer guys try to protect round robbin From being banned. This function gives you an advantage over a player who has to alt+tab through The clients and The function interacts with The Eve world. Not allowed, Done. Having multiple monitors is also faster than alt tab. So is tiling your windows and sending keypresses to the focussed windows which some operating systems can do.
And nobody needs to "protect" anything, since round robin is not banned.
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Dustpuppy
Rox Inc
57
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Posted - 2014.12.27 10:22:23 -
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Wait for Jan 1st to See if you are right and round robbin is not considerred AS illegal advantage. I heard so many Boxers want to use it to get around The other restrictions that i am sure it will be looked at again. Pressing 10x F1 and leaving the distribution of The key presses to a third Party software is faster and more effizient than doing it manually.
You are just operating in a grey zone hoping that The rules won't be looked at again if the first hit against this plague doesn't eleminate it. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
559
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Posted - 2014.12.27 10:26:52 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Why not just start making those things bannable and not "fix" anything since nothing is broken.
You do realize that people said "EVE is not broken" during the C6 Magnetar business right? They said that "EVE is not broken" when people were able to warp a titan into a hostile POS.
If you truly believe nothing is broken, fine. But attempt try to persuade people who would say otherwise with zero evidence other than your desire to have the game handed to you on a silver platter.
Dustpuppy wrote:After reading x pages i still don't unterstand why isboxer guys try to protect round robbin From being banned. This function gives you an advantage over a player who has to alt+tab through The clients and The function interacts with The Eve world. Not allowed, Done . If you are fool enough not to trust my words, do a comparison on your own. Open 10 Clients and then measure The time required to send a F1 to Every client without making mistakes with and without round robbin. No advantage? Last but not least: The proof oft my conclusion is: if it wouldn't give you an advantage you would not fight for it. Who cares about a loss which is no loss at all... Nothing is stopping those players from using the software that we use. We aren't some coalition that blocked entry to nullsec by smaller alliances. People fight for many things. Just because they fight for it does not mean it's overpowered or that it gives them an advantage. Case in point, the recent WH changes regarding ship mass. Most of the smaller corps left WH space or were forced into massive alliances in order to protect their assets. Fozzie has still yet to give us the graphs he promised months ago.
"You oppose me, therefore you must be wrong." Same arguments and mentality that the more radical feminists use. Congrats. Come back when you have a real argument.
edit: As someone recently pointed out in a correspondence with a GM, RoundRobin is allowed. One mouse click per client.
Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing".
If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
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Dustpuppy
Rox Inc
57
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Posted - 2014.12.27 10:53:23 -
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Wait for some more days. If these changes don't result in the expected improvements it will be looked at again. And then it's only about how to Interpret the words "Software interacting with the Eve world giving you advantages over regular players" .
press 10x F1 and leave the distribution to isboxer, do it manually, measure what is More efficient. Then read my last sentence agasin and think about your statement again...
Time will show who is right. some months ago only few would have considerred that CCP would change their mind about isboxer at all and look where we are now. I can wait o/ |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
559
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Posted - 2014.12.27 11:16:58 -
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Dustpuppy wrote:Wait for some more days. If these changes don't result in the expected improvements it will be looked at again. And then it's only about how to Interpret the words "Software interacting with the Eve world giving you advantages over regular players" . press 10x F1 and leave the distribution to isboxer, do it manually, measure what is More efficient. Then read my last sentence agasin and think about your statement again... Time will show who is right. some months ago only few would have considerred that CCP would change their mind about isboxer at all and look where we are now. I can wait o/
Again, all we're asking is for CCP to balance and fix the game before scapegoating us. I will happily wait till Jan1, and I will be the first person in system local to **** myself laughing at all the whiners and QQers in local ranting and raving over the ISBoxer in the belt.
Please learn to read. Lucas and I addressed your concerns regarding the "distribution" issue about three or four pages ago, and, had you read the handy graphic by CCP Random, you would've seen that one action per client is allowed under the new law.
Time will not show who is right, only who has control of the game. Games change as they go on. Few could have predicted the mass exodus and "blue donuting" of WH space, yet here we are. Stop making random statements that have no relevance on what is currently happening.
Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing".
If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
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Dustpuppy
Rox Inc
57
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Posted - 2014.12.27 11:20:03 -
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@nolak
Just to consider ... There is no statement out about round robin except one response of a GM. CCP only mentions to read the rules and everything else is on your own risk. This leaves them any options for interpreting the rules in the future. And why do you trust the words of a GM now while stating "they lied in the Papst, what next?" in your sig?
Bzw. I know who rules the game. It's CCP. You are only hoping that the ban hammer doesn't hit you. |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
559
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Posted - 2014.12.27 11:56:29 -
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Dustpuppy wrote:Just to consider ... There is no statement out about round robin except one response of a GM. CCP only mentions to read the rules and everything else is on your own risk. This leaves them any options for interpreting the rules in the future. And why do you trust the words of a GM now while stating "they lied in the Papst, what next?" in your sig? Bzw. I know who rules the game. It's CCP. You are only hoping that the ban hammer doesn't hit you.
Just to consider, it took one response of a GM to (inadvertently) declare the C6 Magnetar weapon viable. ISBoxers and Lax have always paid strict attention to the rules and the EULA and stayed within the guidelines set out by CCP. We have always agreed with CCP that the ability to go AFK or cease inputting actions and have it continue to perform actions would constitute botting, and Lax has (if I remember correctly) worked to remove the ability to turn ISBoxer into a botting program. I put that in my signature in an effort to remind them, and the playerbase, that they made a promise/declaration that they are now breaking, and that I was asking them to reconsider this change.
I'm not "hoping" the hammer won't hit me. I've stopped boxing because I'm tired of getting buttfucked by an Avatar, so it'd be quite funny to find myself retroactively banned. But since a GM himself thinks that RR broadcasting would be allowed by the new interpretation, then it's so until CCP comes back from vacation and sits down with the multiboxers.
Until then, enjoy seeing the same miners in the belts! And have a merry XMas.
Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing".
If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6512
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Posted - 2014.12.27 14:53:43 -
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Can't wit for Update regarding XXYY and AABB thread #2
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4837
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Posted - 2014.12.27 16:38:27 -
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Dustpuppy wrote:Wait for Jan 1st to See if you are right and round robbin is not considerred AS illegal advantage. I heard so many Boxers want to use it to get around The other restrictions that i am sure it will be looked at again. Pressing 10x F1 and leaving the distribution of The key presses to a third Party software is faster and more efficient than doing it manually - clear break oft The New rules.
You are just operating in a grey zone hoping that The rules won't be looked at again if the first hit against this plague doesn't eleminate it. It's been talked about enough and raised in enough petitions, that I'm sure if CCP were going to ban it, they would have said so. I don't expect CCP would know full well that people are going to use round robin, then wait for it to be bannable before letting people know. Stop being ridiculous.
And even if they want to ban it, they couldn't without banning manual multiboxers in the precess, since its not something that can be detected.
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
560
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Posted - 2014.12.27 17:28:17 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJgQO9rjVZ0 Thanks goes to UFO for another video proving ISBoxer isn't a 1-button win program.
Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing".
If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
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Indis Inzilbeth
Aevarr Ventures
0
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Posted - 2014.12.27 17:39:25 -
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Maxxor Brutor wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote:
is there some dark gateway that requires precise coordinated action from several eve clients at once to unlock the portal to mac compatibility that must be opened every day
Yeah mac users need isboxer because they only have one mouse button :(
I alt tab-ed 6 accounts on mac for 3 years and all I have to say is wtf is "isboxer" |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
560
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Posted - 2014.12.27 17:53:01 -
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Indis Inzilbeth wrote:Maxxor Brutor wrote:EvilweaselFinance wrote: is there some dark gateway that requires precise coordinated action from several eve clients at once to unlock the portal to mac compatibility that must be opened every day
Yeah mac users need isboxer because they only have one mouse button :( I alt tab-ed 6 accounts on mac for 3 years and all I have to say is wtf is "isboxer"
Think he meant for those few using a Mac mouse, though I'm not sure. I do know that there's a lot of "bugs and issues" threads on the forums about Mac and Linux though.
Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing".
If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
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Kaphrah
Kaphrah Corporation4
27
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Posted - 2014.12.27 17:56:36 -
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Dustpuppy wrote:Wait for Jan 1st to See if you are right and round robbin is not considerred AS illegal advantage. I heard so many Boxers want to use it to get around The other restrictions that i am sure it will be looked at again. Pressing 10x F1 and leaving the distribution of The key presses to a third Party software is faster and more efficient than doing it manually - clear break oft The New rules.
You are just operating in a grey zone hoping that The rules won't be looked at again if the first hit against this plague doesn't eleminate it.
so you're telling me if I have a hotkey other than alt tab to set focus to the next window, even completly without ISBoxer and then just spam those 2 buttons like x- F1 - x- F1 - x- F1 etc etc, this would be bannable in your eyes? what do you want to ban next? windows? And I'm sure this method will be fukin fast. |
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
1277
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Posted - 2014.12.27 18:33:19 -
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So, regarding the ignorant misuse of the word multiplexing, what is it that is actually being referred to in this case?
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ShadowandLight
DeathWatch Milita Soviet-Union
304
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Posted - 2014.12.27 18:34:55 -
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heres a quick video, more proof of concept, showing how isboxer mouseovers can be used to very quickly activate dozens of modules
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhAk7EMDjvE&feature=youtu.be
EVE Online and Multiboxing: My position against the upcoming changes and why Multiboxing is good for EVE and its player economy
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Indis Inzilbeth
Aevarr Ventures
0
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Posted - 2014.12.27 18:42:40 -
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I do not see the problem here multi boxing is not being banned, just the use of software/hardware to over come it's challenges multi-boxing or multi-clienting (i know, thats probably not a real word) shouldn't be easy, everything else in this game follows the premise that the more money an activity makes the more challenging it is, ether by way of higher risk or increased effort or complexity of game play. why should multi-boxing be any different, the more clients you have the more potential ya have for making isk, so the more clients ya run the harder it should get. I'm a mining ***** and I simul-run 6 clients on a single 15" laptop with a standard mouse and the laptops keyboard, thats 4 hulks an Orca and a Charion Freighter, now the reason I run 4 hulks instead of say 8 or 10 is because managing 12 strip miners with A 82 second cycle and keeping an eye on 4 ore holds that only hold 1 whole cycle gives me plenty to do in a activity that is considered slow monotonous and boring. .....(also that gives me 1 hulk per ore type) so when ya have come to a point where ya are running so many clients that it exceeds yer human capacity to effectively manage then maybe its time to find a player corp that can take some of the workload of yer hands. to me, using outside software/hardware to over come this limitation by effectively enabling ya to click multiple buttons at once is just plane and simple cheating.
this is just my opinion, take it in the spirit it was offered
Indis
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
560
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Posted - 2014.12.27 22:01:00 -
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Indis Inzilbeth wrote:multi boxing is not being banned, just the use of software/hardware to over come it's challenges multi-boxing or multi-clienting (i know, thats probably not a real word) shouldn't be easy, everything else in this game follows the premise that the more money an activity makes the more challenging it is, ether by way of higher risk or increased effort or complexity of game play. why should multi-boxing be any different, the more clients you have the more potential ya have for making isk, so the more clients ya run the harder it should get. I'm a mining ***** and I simul-run 6 clients on a single 15" laptop with a standard mouse and the laptops keyboard, thats 4 hulks an Orca and a Charon Freighter, now the reason I run 4 hulks instead of say 8 or 10 is because managing 12 strip miners with A 82 second cycle and keeping an eye on 4 ore holds that only hold 1 whole cycle gives me plenty to do in a activity that is considered slow monotonous and boring. .....(also that gives me 1 hulk per ore type) so when ya have come to a point where ya are running so many clients that it exceeds yer human capacity to effectively manage then maybe its time to find a player corp that can take some of the workload of yer hands. to me, using outside software/hardware to over come this limitation by effectively enabling ya to click multiple buttons at once is just plane and simple cheating. Quite frankly, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. It's been established that multiboxing is not banned (yet). It has also been established (with no counter-evidence or counter-proof) that ISBoxing is anything but "simple" or "easy" so I don't know why you attempt to once again claim it's easy without proof or evidence to back up your claim. Again, certain people will multibox or run multiple accounts easier than others. My friend runs solo C5 full escalations, and I'm 99% positive I can't do that yet, not without a lot of time training. I'm nowhere near the level that wheniaminspace or Oodell operate at. Hell, I still had trouble commanding 10 even after a year of flying them. I find it very disingenuous when people dare to lump every non-ISBoxer person into one catagory, and then lump every ISBoxer into another. This isn't a black-and-white community. This isn't something you can just "wave away" with a hand and make the baseless and evidence-lacking claim that somehow defending your gamestyle automatically means we're guilty. It's silly and it looks bad. 6 clients on a 15inch laptop? So you either have a powerful 2-core gaming rig, or a average/slightly above average 4-core laptop. Either way, you can arguably gain a marked advantage over another player who's using older stuff by running a single or two accounts and hitting 60 to 90 or even 120 FPS consistently in a small scale engagement, allowing you to react faster to the changes and have the game register your commands in a timely manner and transmit them to the server. In your last paragraph, please define "effectively" and "human capacity". As stated earlier by others and myself, ISBoxer is not some plug-and-play software that runs itself. Please do some research on something you're going to decry on the forums, as we've heard the usual stuff spouted by Carl Crazycakes in system local and it's tiring at this point. And finally, you tell us to join player corps, yet you completely missed 2 simple facts: 1) the general population of EVE would love nothing more than to find themselves in a player corporation of an ISBoxer, as awoxxing runs rampant in EVE and is at times encouraged. 2), it is a pain in the ass to transfer funds from 10+ accounts to one every day, so most players simply form a corp with 100% tax and call it a day. Not many are willing to be in a 100% tax corp, so ISBoxers are mostly alone.
Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing".
If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
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ESN Seeker
The Scope Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.12.28 00:03:08 -
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Dustpuppy wrote:After reading x pages i still don't unterstand why isboxer guys try to protect round robbin From being banned. This function gives you an advantage over a player who has to alt+tab through The clients and The function interacts with The Eve world. Not allowed, Done . O/
Don't forget to ban touch-screens, too. |
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Haplo Bartow
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.12.28 01:24:31 -
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How about letting us log into the game with multiple characters from a single account using multiple machines (or even on the same machine)? That would be nice. |
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
148
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Posted - 2014.12.28 01:52:53 -
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You really are on a campaign to get Inner Space banned from EVE Online. That video may actually succeed in convincing CCP to ban it. Too bad. I really like the way that ISBoxer allows Laz to switch screens effortlessly during his streams. It really adds some production value.
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
561
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Posted - 2014.12.28 01:56:26 -
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Rosewalker wrote:You really are on a campaign to get Inner Space banned from EVE Online. That video may actually succeed in convincing CCP to ban it. Too bad. I really like the way that ISBoxer allows Laz to switch screens effortlessly during his streams. It really adds some production value.
If anyone's on a crusade here, it's you. Please don't try to project your actions onto others.
Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing".
If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28904
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Posted - 2014.12.28 03:16:28 -
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ISBoxer has been a crutch that EVE has leaned on to avoid supporting multiboxing in the client. Multiple clients are marketed as a thing, and I think it's assumed by everyone that multiple clients will be used advantageously and simultaneously, including in combat. I like to think that the sooner ISBoxer is banned, EVE will finally support multiple clients within the client.
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
562
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Posted - 2014.12.28 04:02:46 -
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Rain6637 wrote:ISBoxer has been a crutch that EVE has leaned on to avoid supporting multiboxing in the client. Multiple clients are marketed as a thing, and I think it's assumed by everyone that multiple clients will be used advantageously and simultaneously, including in combat. I like to think that the sooner ISBoxer is banned, EVE will finally support multiple clients within the client.
Uh.... you do know that WoW has macro support right? It allows a player to re-direct keys on their keyboard to certain spells, abilities, and items in the game. If I could bind a macro to tell my ship to stop firing, swap crystals, and then continue firing, that'd be lovely.
You also assume that every player with multiple accounts puts in the same effort as everyone else with the same amount of accounts, and that ISBoxer somehow affects the income of each toon. I find that claim (with no supporting evidence, btw) funnyas I know a nullsec pilot who cranks out quite a lot of ISK with a relatively lower effort involved. EVE is all about min/maxing, and right now you and others like are annoyed that people found a new way to min/max in such a visible fashion, or because of some bizarre belief that ISBoxers aren't subjected to risk/isk, or that we somehow hacked into CCP's servers and gave ourselves free accounts. I dunno where these ideas came from, and I'm not sure I can get drunk enough to find out before I die to liver failure.
Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing".
If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28904
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Posted - 2014.12.28 04:12:10 -
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I might have said something about income somewhere, so I'll take your word for it. I'm not, however, annoyed at ISBoxer, and we have coexisted in EVE peacefully. I am amused that EVE is bringing itself closer to tackling the issue of supporting multiple clients natively.
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
562
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Posted - 2014.12.28 04:24:36 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I might have said something about income somewhere, so I'll take your word for it. I'm not, however, annoyed at ISBoxer, and we have coexisted in EVE peacefully. I am amused that EVE is bringing itself closer to tackling the issue of supporting multiple clients natively. Look, if EVE manages to basically copy/paste ISBoxer into EVE, congrats. Still won't change the fact that the input ban was brought about by the SJW idiots of EVE, it won't change the fact that people won't trust CCP after this kerfluffle, and it certainly won't change the fact that people will think that CCP pulled a Sony by attempting to force the competition's product off the market so they can release a crappy version themselves.
Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing".
If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
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Athryn Bellee
Concordiat Spaceship Samurai
46
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Posted - 2014.12.28 04:37:13 -
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How is this different? |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
28904
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Posted - 2014.12.28 04:38:27 -
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I think it's simple, without all the video tricks. Basically more leadership commands like warp and regroup. Which is not so far-fetched, unlike the task of implanting ISBoxer into the client.
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
562
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Posted - 2014.12.28 04:40:13 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I think it's simple, without all the video tricks. Basically more leadership commands like warp and regroup. Which is not so far-fetched, unlike the task of implanting ISBoxer into the client. If you could give us some examples of leadership commands that aren't already in the client, then we can talk. A lot of time and effort was put into making ISBoxer compatible with the EVE client. Just because it seems easy from the outside world doesn't mean it's easy behind-the-scenes.
Never forget: CCP Seagull and other Devs LIED to everyone during Fanfest and EVE Vegas: "Multiboxers have nothing to worry about" and "Nothing's changing regarding multiboxing".
If CCP is willing to lie about that, what's next?
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