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granny Lina
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.04.04 19:33:54 -
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ok a reply cos you are a " Delicious goon " or another reason. massive multiboting online a single person in my ao is using more accounts than I have fingers on my hands and legs. ccp is idle about it. thanking me for my reports or whatever they said. the game probably have like a 1000 real people |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
812
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Posted - 2015.04.04 23:26:40 -
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granny Lina wrote:ok a reply cos you are a " Delicious goon " or another reason. massive multiboting online a single person in my ao is using more accounts than I have fingers on my hands and legs. ccp is idle about it. thanking me for my reports or whatever they said. the game probably have like a 1000 real people
If the guy is still there, and you continue to submit false reports, you can receive a temp ban. It does not take some superhuman feat of brainpower to manually box a squad of toons. |
Sgt Ocker
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
395
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Posted - 2015.04.05 01:41:18 -
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granny Lina wrote:ok a reply cos you are a " Delicious goon " or another reason. massive multiboting online a single person in my ao is using more accounts than I have fingers on my hands and legs. ccp is idle about it. thanking me for my reports or whatever they said. the game probably have like a 1000 real people Only 1,000 real people? Sweet that means 20,000+ alts to kill. And, I could do it legally using my 11 characters, all at once.
My opinions are mine.
If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - -
Just don't bother Hating - I don't care
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
812
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Posted - 2015.04.05 04:31:17 -
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An accurate description of CCP right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWo-vDVajns |
granny Lina
Viziam Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.04.05 13:27:45 -
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pay more attention when you read. im talking about bots not alts. im talking about abusing, cheating, breaking the rules... I know you like to do it. I just don't have a clear statement of the game genre from CCP. they need to state it clearly if that game is a s-hole or else. |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
201
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Posted - 2015.04.05 15:41:14 -
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With two monitors I can control two account extremely well without the need of ISBoxer.
Why is it morally right to be allowed to control two accounts well, but it's not O.K. to do the same with 5 accounts, or 10 accounts, or N accounts?
Why is controlling 2 accounts efficiently not considered cheating and running 10 accounts efficiently is considered cheating?
Why?
Why is it O.K. for groups of players to do this, but not O.K. for a single player?
I just don't understand why groups are considered morally superior to solo players.
I am open minded and willing to try and understand why groups are better, but in a sandbox game I just don't understand why it is O.K. for 10 people to fly 10 ships and do what they will, but it is not O.K. for 1 person to fly 10 ships and do what he will. In game terms there is no difference. The 10 ships controlled by 10 players have the same effect in the game as the 10 ships controlled by the one player.
I just don't understand. I would like to understand, but I just don't understand. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
741
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Posted - 2015.04.05 16:15:59 -
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Jason Xado wrote:With two monitors I can control two account extremely well without the need of ISBoxer.
Why is it morally right to be allowed to control two accounts well, but it's not O.K. to do the same with 5 accounts, or 10 accounts, or N accounts?
Why is controlling 2 accounts efficiently not considered cheating and running 10 accounts efficiently is considered cheating?
Why?
Why is it O.K. for groups of players to do this, but not O.K. for a single player?
I just don't understand why groups are considered morally superior to solo players.
I am open minded and willing to try and understand why groups are better, but in a sandbox game I just don't understand why it is O.K. for 10 people to fly 10 ships and do what they will, but it is not O.K. for 1 person to fly 10 ships and do what he will. In game terms there is no difference. The 10 ships controlled by 10 players have the same effect in the game as the 10 ships controlled by the one player.
I just don't understand. I would like to understand, but I just don't understand.
You can do all that. You can control as many accounts as you like.
Your just not allowed to break the EULA whilst you do it.
Why can't you understand that? |
Charadrass
Angry Germans
217
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Posted - 2015.04.05 17:36:09 -
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I am Controlling 10 boxes without breaking the eula. and still ccp is missing with a clear Statement here.
nolak i have to disagree. the Video Shows a CLEAR line. what you can and what you cannot do. no matter how ridiculous it is. ccp is not drawing a clear line. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
813
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Posted - 2015.04.05 17:43:26 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:You can do all that. You can control as many accounts as you like. Your just not allowed to break the EULA whilst you do it. Why can't you understand that? What part of "Since direct broadcasting is banned, and RoundRobin and rollovers are not, players have switched to RR and rollover, and have gotten banned for it, not to mention the 5-boxer who was banned w/o using any broadcasting" do you not understand? What part of "This was only declared to break the EULA because corebloodbrothers didn't want to accept responsibility for his BS fleet that got welped when he told em to go AFK at a planet" do you not understand? What part of "ISBoxer doesn't violate 6A3 and the only way it can be construed to violate 6A2 is if you also ban Steam Overlay, Mumble Overlay, TS3 Overlay, Overwolf Overlay, and EVE-O Preview" do you not understand? What part of "Seagull herself told us that multiboxing was not going to be changed at the previous Fanfest and EVE Vegas" do you not understand? What part of "CCP Falcon promised a sit-down after Jan1 and still hasn't come through" do you not understand? What part of "Nobody in the entirety of EVE has yet to bring a half-decent argument against ISBoxer without resorting to fallacies and insults, or that could be used against aforementioned overlays or other third-party programs" do you not understand? |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
741
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Posted - 2015.04.05 18:29:35 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote: What part of "Since direct broadcasting is banned, and RoundRobin and rollovers are not, players have switched to RR and rollover, and have gotten banned for it, not to mention the 5-boxer who was banned w/o using any broadcasting" do you not understand?
Just because those players were not using any broadcasting does not mean they weren't breaking the EULA in a different manner. I personally have only seen 2 youtube videos of a multiboxer who wasn't breaking the EULA and the thing they had in common was, all the clients were controlled individually.
Nolak Ataru wrote:What part of "This was only declared to break the EULA because corebloodbrothers didn't want to accept responsibility for his BS fleet that got welped when he told em to go AFK at a planet" do you not understand? If you beleive the CSM have that much power over CCP, get a CSM to change CCP's mind.
Nolak Ataru wrote:What part of "ISBoxer doesn't violate 6A3 and the only way it can be construed to violate 6A2 is if you also ban Steam Overlay, Mumble Overlay, TS3 Overlay, Overwolf Overlay, and EVE-O Preview" do you not understand? Quite correct Isboxer doesn't break the EULA. BUT..... IsBoxer can be used to break the EULA. That is a distinction you seem incapable of understanding. The people who are using IsBoxer and getting banned are not getting banned for using IsBoxer. They are getting banned for breaking the EULA.
Nolak Ataru wrote:What part of "Seagull herself told us that multiboxing was not going to be changed at the previous Fanfest and EVE Vegas" do you not understand? They changed their minds. You should be greatful CCP gave notice that they were going to start enforcing their EULA.
Nolak Ataru wrote:-1What part of "CCP Falcon promised a sit-down after Jan1 and still hasn't come through" do you not understand?
-2What part of "Nobody in the entirety of EVE has yet to bring a half-decent argument against ISBoxer without resorting to fallacies and insults, or that could be used against aforementioned overlays or other third-party programs" do you not understand? -1.I understand there was a round table discussion at fanfest. Lucas mentions it in an earlier post. I wasn't there myself but Lucas mentions asking questions about this subject.
-2Nothing wrong with IsBoxer. Using IsBoxer to break the EULA is wrong though.
CCP's stance on this is really clear to me. They even published a little flow chart to help people. Instead of looking for a way around the EULA, just play the game.
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ShadowandLight
Trigger Happy Capsuleers Soviet-Union
363
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Posted - 2015.04.05 19:19:17 -
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If there is anything "positive" coming out of all this, look at the daily PCU numbers, EVE has lost 20k logged in pilot's since it's peak in 2013 and the decline comparing year over year is also extremely depressed.
Eve-offline.net
How many of those are alts people were forced to unsubsrcibe? We shall see how long CCP is willing to take this hit to their wallet.
Legacy - An EVE Online Blog
Legacy of a Capsuleer Podcast
EVEServers.info - One stop API Solution for Corps/Alliances
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6697
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Posted - 2015.04.05 19:28:15 -
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granny Lina wrote:ok a reply cos you are a " Delicious goon " or another reason. massive multiboting online a single person in my ao is using more accounts than I have fingers on my hands and legs. ccp is idle about it. thanking me for my reports or whatever they said. the game probably have like a 1000 real people It depends yeah. If you've reported them and you notice they're still around they probably passed the check
For some things it's possible to multibox quite a lot without having to use broadcasting or the other now illegal mechanics.
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
813
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Posted - 2015.04.05 20:00:33 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Just because those players were not using any broadcasting does not mean they weren't breaking the EULA in a different manner. I personally have only seen 2 youtube videos of a multiboxer who wasn't breaking the EULA and the thing they had in common was, all the clients were controlled individually. Grasping at straws and declaring guilty until proven innocent. I shouldn't need to record my every move just because an inept FC decided he wasn't going to take responsibility for his actions of leaving a battleship fleet parked at a planet AFK.
Quote:If you beleive the CSM have that much power over CCP, get a CSM to change CCP's mind. Working on it.
Quote:Quite correct Isboxer doesn't break the EULA. BUT..... IsBoxer can be used to break the EULA. That is a distinction you seem incapable of understanding. The people who are using IsBoxer and getting banned are not getting banned for using IsBoxer. They are getting banned for breaking the EULA. Cars can be used to kill people via vehicular homicide. Shall we ban people from driving? What about kitchen knives? Baseball bats? Fists? Just because a program or tool can theoretically be used to break the law does not mean you should ban it. Quote:-1.I understand there was a round table discussion at fanfest. Lucas mentions it in an earlier post. I wasn't there myself but Lucas mentions asking questions about this subject. -2Nothing wrong with IsBoxer. Using IsBoxer to break the EULA is wrong though. 1. Not everyone has the cash to plunk down to head out to Iceland on the drop of a dime. 2. RoundRobin and Rollover doesn't break the EULA. [quote]CCP's stance on this is really clear to me. They even published a little flow chart to help people. Instead of looking for a way around the EULA, just play the game. CCP's stance is clear to us too. "One account per IP, and don't get too good at playing EVE." |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
203
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Posted - 2015.04.05 20:58:36 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
You can do all that. You can control as many accounts as you like.
Your just not allowed to break the EULA whilst you do it.
Why can't you understand that?
You still haven't answered the question of why group play is considered morally superior to solo play?
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
741
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Posted - 2015.04.06 01:03:49 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote: Grasping at straws and declaring guilty until proven innocent. I shouldn't need to record my every move just because an inept FC decided he wasn't going to take responsibility for his actions of leaving a battleship fleet parked at a planet AFK.
You don't need to record your every move and I have never declared someone is guilty until proven innocent. Just because CCP doesn't share their evidence with you does not mean they don't have evidence.
Nolak Ataru wrote: Cars can be used to kill people via vehicular homicide. Shall we ban people from driving? What about kitchen knives? Baseball bats? Fists? Just because a program or tool can theoretically be used to break the law does not mean you should ban it. Of course they shouldn't.
1-Cars are not banned and IsBoxer is not banned.
2-Using cars to kill people risks you getting banned from driving (and imprisoned) and using IsBoxer to break the EULA risks you getting banned from Eve.
How you can not see the difference between 1 and 2 is quite outstanding
Archi wrote:-1.I understand there was a round table discussion at fanfest. Lucas mentions it in an earlier post. I wasn't there myself but Lucas mentions asking questions about this subject. -2Nothing wrong with IsBoxer. Using IsBoxer to break the EULA is wrong though.
Nolak Ataru wrote:1. Not everyone has the cash to plunk down to head out to Iceland on the drop of a dime. 2. RoundRobin and Rollover doesn't break the EULA. It doesn't matter where the discussion was. Or do you think you are a special snowflake who should of been invited? If the discussion was via Skype on a Friday afternoon, there would be some people unable to attend who would of liked to. That doesn't mean the discussion didn't take place.
Nolak Ataru wrote:CCP's stance is clear to us too. "One account per IP, and don't get too good at playing EVE." If that is what you take away from reading the EULA and CCP's posts on the matter, then you are clearly incapable of understanding how to use third party programs without breaking the EULA. So you should stop using them.
The rest of us who are capable of understanding what is and what isn't allowed will carry on as normal. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
741
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Posted - 2015.04.06 01:06:12 -
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Jason Xado wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
You can do all that. You can control as many accounts as you like.
Your just not allowed to break the EULA whilst you do it.
Why can't you understand that?
You still haven't answered the question of why group play is considered morally superior to solo play?
That would be because I don't think group play is consider morally superior to solo play. |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
203
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Posted - 2015.04.06 01:11:42 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Jason Xado wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
You can do all that. You can control as many accounts as you like.
Your just not allowed to break the EULA whilst you do it.
Why can't you understand that?
You still haven't answered the question of why group play is considered morally superior to solo play? That would be because I don't think group play is consider morally superior to solo play.
Then why are group players allowed to play multiple ships efficiently and solo players are not?
Why was the tool that was allowed for years that allowed solo players to compete with group players taken away?
I use to be able to ice mine in null sec space and defend myself against small groups. Now I cannot. Why, if not for the fact that CCP is now hostile to solo gameplay. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
741
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Posted - 2015.04.06 01:28:35 -
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Jason Xado wrote: Then why are group players allowed to play multiple ships efficiently and solo players are not?
Solo players can play as many accounts as they want too, the same as group players can. How efficient a player is, is down to the player.
Jason Xado wrote:Why was the tool that was allowed for years that allowed solo players to compete with group players taken away? It wasn't taken away. CCP just decided to start enforcing their EULA. They even gave you advance notice.
Jason Xado wrote:I use to be able to solo ice mine in null sec space and defend myself against small groups. Now I cannot. Why, if not for the fact that CCP is now limiting solo gameplay. You still can. You're just not allowed to break the EULA whilst doing it anymore. If you are not capable of defending yourself without breaking the EULA that's your problem.
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
813
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Posted - 2015.04.06 01:44:28 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:I have never declared someone is guilty until proven innocent. Just because CCP doesn't share their evidence with you does not mean they don't have evidence. You did when you said that any ISBoxer who was banned deserved it or was breaking the EULA.
Quote:Of course they shouldn't. 1-Cars are not banned and IsBoxer is not banned. 2-Using cars to kill people risks you getting banned from driving (and imprisoned) and using IsBoxer to break the EULA risks you getting banned from Eve. How you can not see the difference between 1 and 2 is quite outstanding People using ISBoxer and following the new guidelines were banned. And a 5-boxer was just banned w/o using any broadcasting tools.
Quote:It doesn't matter where the discussion was. Or do you think you are a special snowflake who should of been invited? If the discussion was via Skype on a Friday afternoon, there would be some people unable to attend who would of liked to. That doesn't mean the discussion didn't take place. No, I was saying that in counter to everyone and their mother saying "hurrdurr shoulda gone to Fanfest".
Quote:If that is what you take away from reading the EULA and CCP's posts on the matter, then you are clearly incapable of understanding how to use third party programs without breaking the EULA. So you should stop using them. The rest of us who are capable of understanding what is and what isn't allowed will carry on as normal. No. I've taken that away after the first declaration on Nov25, the subsequent betrayal and lying committed by CCP Falcon, the following six months of listening to every whiner and their mother blubber here on why they feel ISBoxer should be banned while taking hits of Doritos, Mountain Dew, and their asthma inhaler, had two CCP members say that they want 1 account / IP AND two CSM members say the same thing.
Speaking of third party programs and the EULA, I trust you're not using Pyfa, EFT, Fuzzworks, TS3 overlay, Mumble overlay, or Steam overlay? |
Jason Xado
Xado Industries
203
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Posted - 2015.04.06 01:53:22 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote: Solo players can play as many accounts as they want too, the same as group players can. How efficient a player is, is down to the player.
Says the groups player who likes to run around and kill all the poor little solo players who aren't superior enough to join a group. |
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
741
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Posted - 2015.04.06 02:29:09 -
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The first part of your post was so full of non-sense it doesn't deserve a reply.
Nolak Ataru wrote:
Speaking of third party programs and the EULA, I trust you're not using Pyfa, EFT, Fuzzworks, TS3 overlay, Mumble overlay, or Steam overlay?
I use all of those program as well as IsBoxer. I have no fear of getting banned because I do not use them to break Eve's EULA.
You see Pyfa/EFT/Fuzzworks all work off the Eve API. That is information CCP gives the player base to use. The game is designed to allow those types of programs.
Steam has its own client. The game is designed to use the steam overlay.
TS3/Mumble overlays that I use display the same information that would be displayed if I used Eve voice and the chat boxes in the client. ie; who is speaking and any text they type. It doesn't do anything the game wasn't designed to allow.
A player got banned a while back, mainly because of their behavior on a TS3 server ( No1 isk doubler person). So its entirely possible to get banned for using a third party voice program, if you break the EULA with it.
Isboxer, I only use the functions described by CCP Falcon in this thread and I used that chart that was floating around. I use it to set up my clients so all my windows (like the overview etc) are in the same place on every client. Then I use it to place all my clients on my 1 big monitor so I can see them and quickly switch between them.
Your point would have more merit if you had mentioned Eve-Central (or similar website). Does that site still use cache scraping? which is against the EULA but allowed by CCP for the time being. Or has it switched its method of collecting data?
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6704
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Posted - 2015.04.06 04:20:19 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:No. I've taken that away after the first declaration on Nov25, the subsequent betrayal and lying committed by CCP Falcon, the following six months of listening to every whiner and their mother blubber here on why they feel ISBoxer should be banned while taking hits of Doritos, Mountain Dew, and their asthma inhaler, had two CCP members say that they want 1 account / IP AND two CSM members say the same thing.
Speaking of third party programs and the EULA, I trust you're not using Pyfa, EFT, Fuzzworks, TS3 overlay, Mumble overlay, or Steam overlay? 1 account per IP huh.
An interesting concept. Let us wait for an "Update regarding Multiclienting and player multitasking" thread to suddenly appear
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
813
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Posted - 2015.04.06 12:34:06 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:The first part of your post was so full of non-sense it doesn't deserve a reply. Nolak Ataru wrote:
Speaking of third party programs and the EULA, I trust you're not using Pyfa, EFT, Fuzzworks, TS3 overlay, Mumble overlay, or Steam overlay?
I use all of those program as well as IsBoxer. I have no fear of getting banned because I do not use them to break Eve's EULA. You see Pyfa/EFT/Fuzzworks all work off the Eve API. That is information CCP gives the player base to use. The game is designed to allow those types of programs. Steam has its own client. The game is designed to use the steam overlay. TS3/Mumble overlays that I use display the same information that would be displayed if I used Eve voice and the chat boxes in the client. ie; who is speaking and any text they type. It doesn't do anything the game wasn't designed to allow. A player got banned a while back, mainly because of their behavior on a TS3 server ( No1 isk doubler person). So its entirely possible to get banned for using a third party voice program, if you break the EULA with it. Isboxer, I only use the functions described by CCP Falcon in this thread and I used that chart that was floating around. I use it to set up my clients so all my windows (like the overview etc) are in the same place on every client. Then I use it to place all my clients on my 1 big monitor so I can see them and quickly switch between them. Your point would have more merit if you had mentioned Eve-Central (or similar website). Does that site still use cache scraping? which is against the EULA but allowed by CCP for the time being. Or has it switched its method of collecting data? Ah, but each aforementioned program can be interpreted to violate 6A3, the "accelerated gameplay" clause, so to be on the safe side you should stop using them. /s This is exactly how you sound. You're telling us to stop using a car just because John Doe here went gonzo and ran over the mailman and the government went into full "SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING" mode after getting slapped with a libelous lawsuit regarding brakes and gas pedals. CCP was quite clear: Any interaction or modification of their client by any outside program constitutes a violation of 6A2. That includes overlays from Steam, Mumble, and TS3/Overwolf. The player got banned for their behavior on a TS server mainly because someone didn't have the stones to admit he got scammed out of his ISK and didn't disconnect from the server, so they filed a ticket. Policing players behavior on alternate sites and communication software would send any reasonable lawyer into a froth at the number of privacy violations that were committed. We used ISBoxer to the letter of the law after the change, and still got banned. The 5-boxer wasn't even using broadcasting or rollovers and he got banned. That drop in the subs of Peligro's graph wasn't people getting scared. It was people protesting. Not just ISBoxers, but other people who were dropping subs in protest. GSF is in the middle of a new fountain war. The last war found 50k concurrent subs on almost 24/7. Now we're lucky to break 30k. As of right now the current number of people online is exactly 23,053. People are sick and tired of CCP's behaviors as shown in extreme detail in the WH Mass spawn thread, the fighter assist thread, the Entosis thread, and this thread, and they're leaving for E:D and Star Citizen. Multiboxing was one of the last things unique about EVE, but now it's blending into all the other space MMOs coming out. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
742
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Posted - 2015.04.06 13:07:13 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote: Ah, but each aforementioned program can be interpreted to violate 6A3, the "accelerated gameplay" clause, so to be on the safe side you should stop using them. /s
Nope, you really don't understand the EULA.
Nolak Ataru wrote:This is exactly how you sound. You're telling us to stop using a car just because John Doe here went gonzo and ran over the mailman and the government went into full "SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING" mode after getting slapped with a libelous lawsuit regarding brakes and gas pedals. Back with lying again. I'm not telling you to stop using anything. I'm saying if you break the EULA you risk getting banned.
Nolak Ataru wrote:CCP was quite clear: Any interaction or modification of their client by any outside program constitutes a violation of 6A2. That includes overlays from Steam, Mumble, and TS3/Overwolf. Nope, again read the EULA.
Nolak Ataru wrote:The player got banned for their behavior on a TS server mainly because someone didn't have the stones to admit he got scammed out of his ISK and didn't disconnect from the server, so they filed a ticket. Policing players behavior on alternate sites and communication software would send any reasonable lawyer into a froth at the number of privacy violations that were committed. So? My point was the player got banned based on the use of a third party voice coms. But that doesn't mean that third party voice coms breaks the EULA. Once again you miss the crucial distinction and veered off on a tangent that is not only irrelevant but also completely untrue. (But thats for a different thread)
Nolak Ataru wrote:We used ISBoxer to the letter of the law after the change, and still got banned. The 5-boxer wasn't even using broadcasting or rollovers and he got banned. That drop in the subs of Peligro's graph wasn't people getting scared. It was people protesting. Not just ISBoxers, but other people who were dropping subs in protest. GSF is in the middle of a new fountain war. The last war found 50k concurrent subs on almost 24/7. Now we're lucky to break 30k. As of right now the current number of people online is exactly 23,053. People are sick and tired of CCP's behaviors as shown in extreme detail in the WH Mass spawn thread, the fighter assist thread, the Entosis thread, and this thread, and they're leaving for E:D and Star Citizen. Multiboxing was one of the last things unique about EVE, but now it's blending into all the other space MMOs coming out. Yes, we ( as in me and you) do use Isboxer to the letter of the law and we are not banned.
Just because the 5-boxer wasn't using broadcasting or rollovers, that doesn't mean he wasn't breaking the EULA.
Oh sorry, I didn't realise this was an Eve is dying thread now. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
813
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Posted - 2015.04.06 21:28:05 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Nope, you really don't understand the EULA. Alright, then, please stand up and explain to the class how they cannot conceivably be interpreted to violate 6A3.
Quote: I'm saying if you break the EULA you risk getting banned. Except we *didn't* break the EULA, and still got banned.
Quote:Nope, again read the EULA. Read it. 6A2 specifically says "any" modification. That includes TS3 and Mumble overlays.
Quote:So? My point was the player got banned based on the use of a third party voice coms. But that doesn't mean that third party voice coms breaks the EULA. Once again you miss the crucial distinction and veered off on a tangent that is not only irrelevant but also completely untrue. (But thats for a different thread) CCP was attempting to police third party programs; something which made any lawyer who plays the game laugh. Like I said, the player was banned because he was too greedy to see a scam if it rolled into town with a massive circus tent and billboards saying "THIS IS A SCAM!". He got mad that he lost his ISK and decided instead of manning up and learning from his mistakes, he went and whined to mommy and lied. ISBoxer uses Windows Aero and OS-level commands to function.
Quote:Yes, we ( as in me and you) do use Isboxer to the letter of the law and we are not banned. Just because the 5-boxer wasn't using broadcasting or rollovers, that doesn't mean he wasn't breaking the EULA. Corollary: Just because a player was banned doesn't mean he was breaking the EULA. Additional corollary: Just because [insert government / corporation here] makes a declaration does not mean it's infallible. The US Government can stand in front of a microphone and talk until he's blue in the face about why grass is actually red, but it doesn't make it true. CCP could have saved face ages ago if they were willing to come to the table and discuss this issue with us like civilized human beings. Normally I shy away from pointing out concurrent players logged in as there are literally hundreds if not thousands of causes that may contribute to the issue. Comparing a war-time concurrent logged in to another war-time concurrent logged in was better than comparing a war-time number to a non-war-time number, so I added it in. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
12543
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Posted - 2015.04.06 23:44:20 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote: Except we *didn't* break the EULA, and still got banned.
No one believes you lot on that, except yourselves.
Quote: CCP could have saved face ages ago if they were willing to come to the table and discuss this issue with us like civilized human beings.
You still don't get it yet.
There is no "come to the table", there is no negotiation, no deal, no discussing this.
You lose.
Stop cheating.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
813
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Posted - 2015.04.07 02:04:42 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:No one believes you lot on that, except yourselves. Moralistic fallacy, Argument from repetition, and proof of assertion. Come back when you have an actual argument.
Quote:You still don't get it yet. There is no "come to the table", there is no negotiation, no deal, no discussing this. At the risk of sounding infantile, "says you".
What part of "people were banned while following CCP's new rules" do you not understand? Oh wait, are you another of the "one account / IP" crowd? I do hope you know CODE has it's fair share of boxers in the ranks... |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
742
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Posted - 2015.04.07 02:31:15 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote: Alright, then, please stand up and explain to the class how they cannot conceivably be interpreted to violate 6A3.
Because of the Eve API amd Eve voice.
Nolak Ataru wrote: Except we *didn't* break the EULA, and still got banned.
We didn't break the EULA and we didn't get banned. We are both still here.
Nolak Ataru wrote:Read it. 6A2 specifically says "any" modification. That includes TS3 and Mumble overlays. The TS3 and Mumble overlays I use don't. You notice I state the overlays I use as both TS3 and Mumble can be used to break the EULA, which leads to...
Nolak Ataru wrote: CCP was attempting to police third party programs; something which made any lawyer who plays the game laugh. Like I said, the player was banned because he was too greedy to see a scam if it rolled into town with a massive circus tent and billboards saying "THIS IS A SCAM!". He got mad that he lost his ISK and decided instead of manning up and learning from his mistakes, he went and whined to mommy and lied. ISBoxer uses Windows Aero and OS-level commands to function.
You completely missing the point again. Just for the record the victim didn't report the matter and the only person lying is you.
Nolak Ataru wrote: Corollary: Just because a player was banned doesn't mean he was breaking the EULA. Additional corollary: Just because [insert government / corporation here] makes a declaration does not mean it's infallible. The US Government can stand in front of a microphone and talk until he's blue in the face about why grass is actually red, but it doesn't make it true.
CCP could have saved face ages ago if they were willing to come to the table and discuss this issue with us like civilized human beings. Normally I shy away from pointing out concurrent players logged in as there are literally hundreds if not thousands of causes that may contribute to the issue. Comparing a war-time concurrent logged in to another war-time concurrent logged in was better than comparing a war-time number to a non-war-time number, so I added it in.
Yes, Look at the hyperdunking thread. Players were banned and CCP investigated and un-banned them. You don't seem to realise CCP created Eve. If CCP say all the grass in Eve is red, then all the grass in Eve is red.
Well you certainly haven't behaved like a civilised person with all the lies and hypocrisy you spout. As I said before CCP had a round table at fanfest that included this topic and you have already stated this change of stance about enforcing the EULA came about as a result of talks with CSM. So. just because CCP didn't talk to you doesn't mean they haven't has a conversation with the more civilised members of the community. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
813
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:We didn't break the EULA and we didn't get banned. We are both still here. We are, sure. Others aren't. I stopped my usage of ISBoxer and de-subbed my accounts in protest after Jan 1.
Quote:The TS3 and Mumble overlays I use don't. You notice I state the overlays I use as both TS3 and Mumble can be used to break the EULA, which leads to... Hold on, you can't argue both sides of the court case here. You can't say that XYZ people who got banned for using RoundRobin and Rollovers (which were permitted under the flowchart and via direct interpretation by CCP in the first post) are bad and then turn around and say in the same breath say that your overlays are so much different so of course they should be exempted from 6a2. If you do that fast enough you're going to get whiplash.
Quote:Just for the record the victim didn't report the matter and the only person lying is you. You cannot have a case without someone filing a complaint.
Quote:Yes, Look at the hyperdunking thread. Players were banned and CCP investigated and un-banned them. You don't seem to realize CCP created Eve. If CCP say all the grass in Eve is red, then all the grass in Eve is red. I'm of the opinion (as a ganker and a freighter pilot) that hyperdunking is still a violation of the EULA, but that's not this thread. There are some times where CCP actually listens to "the little people", however those times are far and few between these days. See: WH mass spawn thread (where there was overwhelming dissent from the WH community regarding the issue), skynets, Entosis sov, and jump fatigue for evidence of the lackluster communication.
Quote:Well you certainly haven't behaved like a civilized person with all the lies and hypocrisy you spout. As I said before CCP had a round table at fanfest that included this topic and you have already stated this change of stance about enforcing the EULA came about as a result of talks with CSM. So. just because CCP didn't talk to you doesn't mean they haven't has a conversation with the more civilized members of the community. Point out one lie and hypocritical thing I said. I challenge you. I have been subjected to countless threats, fallacies, insults, and other such crudity in this thread and in other mediums, and have responded with nothing but civility, logic, and common decency. I have patiently responded to people who came here to jeer and with surgical precision dismantled each argument that was thrown haphazardly my way riddled with nothing but illogic and fallacies. Not one single person has given me a solid reason why ISBoxer and it's functions should be banned, including CCP themselves, and I will continue to offer a 1b isk reward for such an argument. The CSM members are by no means infallible, as demonstrated by corebloodbrother and his obliterated BS fleet sitting on a planet. CBB and Xander have not presented any argument whatsoever regarding ISBoxer other than "wah muh BS fleet" by CBB. |
Charadrass
Angry Germans
217
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Is googles automatic driving car called botting?
anyway.
I am currently 10 boxing with windows as my "third" party software. using my latest posted method.
as long as ccp doesnt call windows a third party software i am safe with that i think. |
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