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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:54:19 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Yes fleet warp and more will be technically bannable under this rule change.
While I believe you're taking this route for the sake of complaining about something, you bring up an interesting point. The fleet warp mechanic is automation for everyone other than the person issuing the command. For the sake of consistency CCP should do away with this cheat as well.
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Bakla Firoz
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
2
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:54:41 -
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I was so shocked when I found out that CCP specifically confirmed multiple times that isboxing to control multiple accounts was allowed. So why the sudden change of heart?
Nothing has changed and therefore you owe those people who have trained up 10, 20, 30, 50(?) accounts a MASSIVE apology. How about those who have recently paid for 3 month (the minimum) subscription on isboxer because you said it was okay? The very least you could do is admit you were wrong. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4381
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:54:45 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Tau Cabalander wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:If you are uncertain about your Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing use-case, please get in contact with us, as we would prefer to work with members of the community to come to an amicable resolution. What category should we petition under? As I previously posted, I'm uncertain what "Input Broadcasting" and "Input Multiplexing" mean; are they the same thing? I can't find any useful answer via Google either. EULA would be a good catergory Ah, thanks! Missed it
Petition sent.
I probably won't sleep until I get this clarified. The EULA prevents me from explaining why. |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
144
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:55:51 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Fonac wrote:So is-boxer is banned?
edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it. isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned.
The OP announcement by CCP Falcon is very unclear. It does sound like if someone uses ISBoxer to log on a dozen miner accounts and start mining together 'afk' then that would be illegal after the date mentioned in the OP. ISBoxer use for mining, Incursions etc does potentially damage the in-game economy and cause bother to other peoples gameplay so going by what CCP Falcon has obliquely suggested does the announcement mean the end of this use of ISBoxer type software ?
Wouldn't it be clearer and better just to say all use of ISBoxer & similar software is against the EULA and have done with it ??
Sounds like good news to me! A rare event in New Eden. |
Iudicium Vastus
Incognito Holdings and Savings
311
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:55:55 -
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Godren Storm wrote:Fleet Warp would fall under these guidelines. Also the signing of drones to another player would fall under this outline. One account broadcasting a single action to more than one accounts. Food for thought.
Yeah, but here's the thing, Fleet warp and such are tools available within game set there by CCP themselves, while broadcasting software is a tool that is available only on your side after installation and is outside the game's commands and default tool-sets.
[u]Nerf stabs/cloaks in FW?[/u] No, just..
-Fit more points
-Fit faction points
-Bring a friend or two with points (an alt is fine too)
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4281
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:56:04 -
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Bakla Firoz wrote:I was so shocked when I found out that CCP specifically confirmed multiple times that isboxing to control multiple accounts was allowed. So why the sudden change of heart?
Nothing has changed and therefore you owe those people who have trained up 10, 20, 30, 50(?) accounts a MASSIVE apology. How about those who have recently paid for 3 month (the minimum) subscription on isboxer because you said it was okay? The very least you could do is admit you were wrong.
1 month is minimum.
Woo! CSM 9!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1153
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:56:55 -
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Godren Storm wrote:Fleet Warp would fall under these guidelines. Also the signing of drones to another player would fall under this outline. One account broadcasting a single action to more than one accounts. Food for thought. Not really. Neither of these activities is granted by using an external application GÇö-áthey're in the Eve client by default. As such, they don't qualify.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4281
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:57:20 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Fonac wrote:So is-boxer is banned?
edit: I Honestly dont care about is-boxer or what it can do, since i've never used it, or met anyone who uses it. But the OP is not very clear on it. isboxer isn't banned. Some of the things isboxer can do are banned. The OP announcement by CCP Falcon is very unclear. It does sound like if someone uses ISBoxer to log on a dozen miner accounts and start mining together 'afk' then that would be illegal after the date mentioned in the OP. ISBoxer use for mining, Incursions etc does potentially damage the in-game economy and cause bother to other peoples gameplay so going by what CCP Falcon has obliquely suggested does the announcement mean the end of this use of ISBoxer type software ? Wouldn't it be clearer and better just to say all use of ISBoxer & similar software is against the EULA and have done with it ?? Sounds like good news to me! A rare event in New Eden.
Logging on a dozen miners: Allowed. (explicitly mentioned, in fact)
using isboxer to start all of them mining at once, with one click: Not allowed.
Isboxer has other functions, such as arranging windows to let you move your mouse less between clicks, allowed under this ruling.
Woo! CSM 9!
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Piren'e Colass
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:57:51 -
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Pretty ****** of you ccp, this has been a major playstyle for while, and it makes significant game aspects so much better. Change the rules, don't start to enforce them. |
Airi Cho
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:58:45 -
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Marlona Sky wrote:Am I too late to drink in the tears or are they all gone?
dont worry, we filled the tanks. orca size or freighter size delivery? |
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1153
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:59:24 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote: Wouldn't it be clearer and better just to say all use of ISBoxer & similar software is against the EULA and have done with it ??
ISBoxer isn't the only software that allows input multiplexing. Banning ISBoxer outright as the sole action of the change would just make everyone move over to another brand of software that does the same thing.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Airi Cho
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:00:20 -
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Mendeli Vium wrote:so if i understand correctly i can use IS Boxer to tile clients on my comp but not activate mods or navigate with it ?
correct. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6040
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:00:25 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Angela Daemonic wrote:Ohh when all these is boxers rage quit and plex prices drop... I will be in heaven. Indeed, very quickly the volume on PLEX sales will increase again sharply due to the lower prices... however this time it will not be fueled by people that don't care if the price is too high. Keep dreaming. Forgotten N Forsaken wrote:THANK YOU CCP. ABOUT TIME I.S BOXERS GOT BANNED. WOOOTT!!!!!! You're dreaming. There's so many ways to hide it from CCP's eyes it'll still be abused. Hell Blizzard with their millions spent on warden can't even stop basic hackers and multibox programs. If you really want them stopped then I hope you're prepared to have your system compromised by CCP so they can scan every aspect and control what you can and cannot run. Oh, I have no doubt counters will be created... and those counters will be countered... so on and so forth.
But as we've seen here, many won't bother... or will simply go to using the other features of ISBoxer to get the job done... just not as efficiently. PVP activity will take the main hit, and that's not necessarily a bad thing in this particular case.
The people we will lose from mining circles will be those running huge farms that would be difficult to hide. They'll need to scale down, or slow down, or simply stop.
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Airi Cho
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:01:51 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:This is illegal too right? https://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/home He is using hardware to duplicate an input. Hell at this point of definition it could be considered illegal to use alt tab to rapidly issue commands.
Yes. it is also mentioned in the initial post. ;)
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ashley Eoner
360
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:03:09 -
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Forgotten N Forsaken wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Angela Daemonic wrote:Ohh when all these is boxers rage quit and plex prices drop... I will be in heaven. Indeed, very quickly the volume on PLEX sales will increase again sharply due to the lower prices... however this time it will not be fueled by people that don't care if the price is too high. Keep dreaming. Forgotten N Forsaken wrote:THANK YOU CCP. ABOUT TIME I.S BOXERS GOT BANNED. WOOOTT!!!!!! You're dreaming. There's so many ways to hide it from CCP's eyes it'll still be abused. Hell Blizzard with their millions spent on warden can't even stop basic hackers and multibox programs. If you really want them stopped then I hope you're prepared to have your system compromised by CCP so they can scan every aspect and control what you can and cannot run. I would be okay with that :) **** the I.S boxing Cheating Pricks. Yet they will still be there. :P |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6040
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:04:13 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Bakla Firoz wrote:I was so shocked when I found out that CCP specifically confirmed multiple times that isboxing to control multiple accounts was allowed. So why the sudden change of heart?
Nothing has changed and therefore you owe those people who have trained up 10, 20, 30, 50(?) accounts a MASSIVE apology. How about those who have recently paid for 3 month (the minimum) subscription on isboxer because you said it was okay? The very least you could do is admit you were wrong. 1 month is minimum. And of course, you can still use ISBoxer in EVE. Just not the broadcast function.
You'll need to stack your windows next to each other and take a second to click on each one.
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
144
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:05:55 -
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To Steve Ronuken: CCP are going to get flooded with requests asking if the for example twelve accounts that just logged on and started mining together are breaking the rules etc.
Why should it be legal to log them on together using ISBoxer but illegal to start the miners mining rocks ? Don't get me wrong - I agree with most people that ISBoxer use should be prohibited altogether - so it should be fairly obvious to make a clean break and remove all use of ISBoxer type software. After all it probably is a major factor in the current ISK value of PLEX. |
Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:06:32 -
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Good, about time.
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Iyokus Patrouette
No Vacancies
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:06:32 -
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Where is this list of Do's and Don'ts regarding Multi... whatever we're calling it.
Kind of seems everything technically has an impact on the game, i'm curious where they're drawing the lines in the sand on this.
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Abernie
Task Force Proteus Protean Concept
158
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:07:58 -
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Iyokus Patrouette wrote:Where is this list of Do's and Don'ts regarding Multi... whatever we're calling it.
Kind of seems everything technically has an impact on the game, i'm curious where they're drawing the lines in the sand on this. Am I going to get banned? - The Flowchart |
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ashley Eoner
360
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:08:09 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:To Steve Ronuken: CCP are going to get flooded with requests asking if the for example twelve accounts that just logged on and started mining together are breaking the rules etc.
Why should it be legal to log them on together using ISBoxer but illegal to start the miners mining rocks ? Don't get me wrong - I agree with most people that ISBoxer use should be prohibited altogether - so it should be fairly obvious to make a clean break and remove all use of ISBoxer type software. After all it probably is a major factor in the current ISK value of PLEX. Isboxers had very little to do with isk value of plex. Well before isboxers were even noticed plex had already established a history of rising in value.
If you look at the chinese server our plex is actually way undervalued right now.
If you think banning isboxer is going to suddenly stop plex from ever rising in value you're deluded. |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
144
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:08:36 -
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Querns wrote:Bethan Le Troix wrote: Wouldn't it be clearer and better just to say all use of ISBoxer & similar software is against the EULA and have done with it ??
ISBoxer isn't the only software that allows input multiplexing. Banning ISBoxer outright as the sole action of the change would just make everyone move over to another brand of software that does the same thing.
Well obviously all types of software that do the same activity would be banned. Don't split hairs. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:09:19 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:To Steve Ronuken: CCP are going to get flooded with requests asking if the for example twelve accounts that just logged on and started mining together are breaking the rules etc.
Why should it be legal to log them on together using ISBoxer but illegal to start the miners mining rocks ? Don't get me wrong - I agree with most people that ISBoxer use should be prohibited altogether - so it should be fairly obvious to make a clean break and remove all use of ISBoxer type software. After all it probably is a major factor in the current ISK value of PLEX.
Because CCp cannot detect anyoen using any software PRIOR to you loggin in into the game. So they cannot enforce anythign that is not giving commands to the client.
"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"
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Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1749
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:09:43 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:To Steve Ronuken: CCP are going to get flooded with requests asking if the for example twelve accounts that just logged on and started mining together are breaking the rules etc.
Why should it be legal to log them on together using ISBoxer but illegal to start the miners mining rocks ? Don't get me wrong - I agree with most people that ISBoxer use should be prohibited altogether - so it should be fairly obvious to make a clean break and remove all use of ISBoxer type software. After all it probably is a major factor in the current ISK value of PLEX. The idea is that logging pilots in and adjusting screens and such has no direct impact on gameplay. The actions commuted using broadcast afterwords are the issue they want to prohibit if I understand correctly. |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
144
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:09:55 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Bethan Le Troix wrote:To Steve Ronuken: CCP are going to get flooded with requests asking if the for example twelve accounts that just logged on and started mining together are breaking the rules etc.
Why should it be legal to log them on together using ISBoxer but illegal to start the miners mining rocks ? Don't get me wrong - I agree with most people that ISBoxer use should be prohibited altogether - so it should be fairly obvious to make a clean break and remove all use of ISBoxer type software. After all it probably is a major factor in the current ISK value of PLEX. Isboxers had very little to do with isk value of plex. Well before isboxers were even noticed plex had already established a history of rising in value. If you look at the chinese server our plex is actually way undervalued right now. If you think banning isboxer is going to suddenly stop plex from ever rising in value you're deluded.
The Chinese are another matter entirely. I won't delve too far into that bucket but its well known what goes on in the Gulags in China. |
Tappits
north eastern swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:10:01 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:To Steve Ronuken: CCP are going to get flooded with requests asking if the for example twelve accounts that just logged on and started mining together are breaking the rules etc.
Why should it be legal to log them on together using ISBoxer but illegal to start the miners mining rocks ? Don't get me wrong - I agree with most people that ISBoxer use should be prohibited altogether - so it should be fairly obvious to make a clean break and remove all use of ISBoxer type software. After all it probably is a major factor in the current ISK value of PLEX.
Because stating eve clients and typing the password in across all accounts and getting to login screens does not effect anything IN GAME. Would dumb people stop going on about fleet warp too as its the most ******** thing in this whole topic. |
Ursula Thrace
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
285
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:10:13 -
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i, for one, am glad CCP will be watching for these types of activities and taking the appropriate actions.
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:10:42 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:Querns wrote:Bethan Le Troix wrote: Wouldn't it be clearer and better just to say all use of ISBoxer & similar software is against the EULA and have done with it ??
ISBoxer isn't the only software that allows input multiplexing. Banning ISBoxer outright as the sole action of the change would just make everyone move over to another brand of software that does the same thing. Well obviously all types of software that do the same activity would be banned. Don't split hairs. That is essentially what is being proposed, right now. It has the bonus of not having to enumerate the individual varieties of software, and it leaves ISBoxer's legitimate uses intact. It's a good compromise.
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25642
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:11:06 -
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speaking of things that should be in the client, here's an idea players might want to get behind. it involves expanding the automation within the client to support all fleet roles that will be eliminated as a result of this ban. I am accused several times in the thread for trolling, but it is a very serious suggestion.
basically, the FC and other fleet command positions will have full control of their leadership tree.
oddly enough, I was about to install ISBoxer for the first time today. I woke up to the TMC article about this announcement.
you could say I'm feeling right as rain right now.
to anyone concerned about the loss of control without ISBoxer: the days of 50-boxing may be gone, but 10-boxing is very doable without ISBoxer, it just takes practice.
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
144
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:11:16 -
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Rowells wrote:Bethan Le Troix wrote:To Steve Ronuken: CCP are going to get flooded with requests asking if the for example twelve accounts that just logged on and started mining together are breaking the rules etc.
Why should it be legal to log them on together using ISBoxer but illegal to start the miners mining rocks ? Don't get me wrong - I agree with most people that ISBoxer use should be prohibited altogether - so it should be fairly obvious to make a clean break and remove all use of ISBoxer type software. After all it probably is a major factor in the current ISK value of PLEX. The idea is that logging pilots in and adjusting screens and such has no direct impact on gameplay. The actions commuted using broadcast afterwords are the issue they want to prohibit if I understand correctly.
Yes .But it would much clearer to just remove legal use of any such software. It's not really playing the game is.it. It's one step away from RMT in a way. |
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