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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:42:06 -
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Kagura Nikon wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:James Baboli wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:James Baboli wrote:I'm wondering just how granular the logs are for this sort of thing. If they're only in single ticks, then its gonna have serious issues with people who can just alt tab harder. I alt tab hard cause I've been multiboxing games since the meridian 59 era. I really learned the skill during lineage 2 though where I would run parties and fight pvp on my own with alts. No automation at all just extra keyboards and screens. I'm actually worried that I'll be banned if I try to mine with my setup using alt tab. I mean really when you're mining there's nothing beyond hitting f1 occasionally. Yep. Thats my issue. I manually multibox up to 10 of the many accounts I run, and have same second key presses for up to 8 clients. I only fire up the boxing software when it gets into the 12+ client range or if I'm trying to do combat logi while boxing. Can you show a video of pressing eight buttons in different regions of the screen within 1 second? I am wondering how you achieve this. The eula doe snot prevent octopuses from playing the game with 8 mice at same time.
Or squids.
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Dazamin
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:42:45 -
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Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too? |
Black Ambulance
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:43:37 -
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February at Evenews24
Devs allowing Isboxer back as there were no Christmas bonuses due to mass unsub |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25642
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:43:37 -
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I remember that lore article.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
2449
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:46:34 -
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Godren Storm wrote:Fleet Warp would fall under these guidelines. Also the signing of drones to another player would fall under this outline. One account broadcasting a single action to more than one accounts. Food for thought.
Wrong, already explained, no third party software.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1393
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:47:01 -
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Godren Storm wrote:Fleet Warp would fall under these guidelines. Also the signing of drones to another player would fall under this outline. One account broadcasting a single action to more than one accounts. Food for thought.
No not even a nibble, a snack, or a roasted peanut.
A completely meaningless connection. A pointless effort to derail the decision.
The rules could not have been made clearer, you may very well not like it.
And you are of course welcome to take your bat and ball away and go and play outside someone else house.
What you will find, is that telling the umpire that you do not like his rules and trying to dictate new ones to him will not advance your cause.
and in no universe, no version of twisted logic, no amount of wanting , will persuade a single player, (other than one who is desperately holding out for a branch like a drowning man), let alone CCP who have made their decision, that fleet warp is in any way the same thing.
The decision is made, Move on. Sell your alts while there are still customers who do not read the forums. or actually play with them if you prefer.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7283
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:47:34 -
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Dazamin wrote:Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too?
Why would they remove an in-game feature when they are addressing out of game issues?
You mad bro?
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Nemed Bererund
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:48:00 -
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So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then? |
Artistul
Meet The Fockers Northern Associates.
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:48:48 -
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When you think of fanfest when a CCP was actually encouraging people to use ISBoxer...Change of heart, ha? Good!
I fully endorse this change,
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Alruan Shadowborn
InterSun Freelance SONS of BANE
4
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:49:43 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I remember that lore article.
If you are talking about mine, where from, I just typed it this morning.
If there is somewhere else it has been printed i will remove it, however if there is I may just have the Boxer virus as I have never read it |
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4381
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:50:29 -
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CCP Falcon,
Please add CCP Random's flowchart to the first post.
https://twitter.com/CCP_Random/status/537380608906104833 |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
2449
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:51:08 -
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Dazamin wrote:Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too?
No. Already explained.
For the love of all that is unholy....fleet warp, drone assist, fleet broadcasts via the fleet window in game...none use a third party software.
Given the nonsense on this, let me repeat that....
If it does not use 3rd party software and is part of the client it is by default acceptable, not an exploit, does not need to be removed.
Everyone who has written comments to that effect you should feel ashamed at how horrible you are.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1393
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:51:25 -
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Nemed Bererund wrote:So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then?
Keep making stuff up, You might eventually make some sense. The first post is wonderfully clear. Is it a Banned mechanic yes/no? advance to Go or you are bad. no room for confusion there.
Once again it is ALL in the first post, If it is not there, or not already in the ULEA you are good to go.
If it is? stop doing whatever it is.
Read it .
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
237
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:53:23 -
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RoAnnon wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:RoAnnon wrote:Mr Omniblivion wrote:This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking. Sure, that's logical, since an AFK cloaked pilot has absolutely no way to interact with the game at all... perfect sense there... CCP is directly nerfing the force projection that one player can have affect on others in Eve. What do you think afk cloaking is? It's psychological warfare at best, playing on nullbear fears. I have AFK cloaked my share of systems, but that doesn't change the fact an AFK or Cloaked pilot can not interact with anything in game. A pilot who is both doubly so. When was the last time you were attacked by either an AFK pilot or a cloaked ship?
Yes, let's turn this thread into an argument about afk cloaking!
I'll start.
The threat from AFK cloaking doesn't come from the pilot literally being AFK, obviously. The threat comes from the pilot being in a perfectly invulnerable position for up to 23 hours without having to touch anything, and can manage a huge amount of these pilots by himself- either for intel or as a cyno target. The issue is not that someone is cloaked in system. The issue is that one player can manage a huge number of perfectly invulnerable pilots that can either be gathering information or setting up hotdrops. (We know, it works!)
This change to broadcasting is a great change for the game overall (not sure about the timing or exact implementation, but whatever). The change removes the force projection of one person to not being able to accurately manage a large group of characters in game.
"AFK Cloaking" is basically the same thing- one pilot is projecting the ability to be an entry point to strike or gathering high quality intel in multiple systems. The ability for the cloak to be able to cycle indefinitely results in a similar effect of broadcasting module commands across multiple accounts utilizing ISBoxer. I'm not saying that any module repeating indefinitely is dumb. Being able to easily manage (or be afk) with a large number of alts spread across the entire universe because of cloaks cycling indefinitely and there being zero way to identify a cloaked target- is dumb.
CCP has basically said that AFK cloaking is OK as-is. But they also have said that they don't see an issue with isboxer/multiboxing in the past, and look where we are now.
Until then, we'll keep doing our thang with the afk cloaking
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25642
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:55:09 -
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Alruan Shadowborn wrote:Rain6637 wrote:I remember that lore article. If you are talking about mine, where from, I just typed it this morning. If there is somewhere else it has been printed i will remove it, however if there is I may just have the Boxer virus as I have never read it it rings a bell. or, I just had a serious case of deja vu.
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Dazamin
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
41
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:00:22 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Dazamin wrote:Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too? Why would they remove an in-game feature when they are addressing out of game issues? You mad bro?
Well its the behaviour that's the problem surely? Not sure how its achieved is really an issue. But I do think rid of in game fleet warps would be genuinely good for the same reasons as getting rid of out of game methods of key / mouse broadcasting would be. Make each character take their own actions, make their own mistakes, etc. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4284
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:00:31 -
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Nemed Bererund wrote:So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then?
Actually, there's stuff in play which will make that entirely redundant come Rhea.
Woo! CSM 9!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
2450
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:02:47 -
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Nemed Bererund wrote:So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then?
Everyone can use it so no unfair advantage.
No, not everyone can use ISBoxer, it has a non-zero price therefore some will be excluded (ok, ISBoxer is free, but the platform it runs on is not, no platform, i.e. no subscription, no ISBoxer).
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
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Ginger Barbarella
2040
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:03:26 -
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Black Ambulance wrote:February at Evenews24
Devs allowing Isboxer back as there were no Christmas bonuses due to mass unsub
From my read the only mass anything here is the people in loud SUPPORT of this move. Let the botters leave to farm another game. I don't care in the slightest.
"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
2450
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:04:29 -
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Dazamin wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Dazamin wrote:Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too? Why would they remove an in-game feature when they are addressing out of game issues? You mad bro? Well its the behaviour that's the problem surely? Not sure how its achieved is really an issue. But I do think rid of in game fleet warps would be genuinely good for the same reasons as getting rid of out of game methods of key / mouse broadcasting would be. Make each character take their own actions, make their own mistakes, etc.
Oh for crying out loud....
How it is achieved IS the issue. Which is why the EULA specifically mentions 3rd party software. If it is in the client, then everyone has it, CCP has implicitly approved it (they designed it), and thus no unfair advantage.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1395
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:07:05 -
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Nemed Bererund wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Nemed Bererund wrote:So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then? Keep making stuff up, You might eventually make some sense. The first post is wonderfully clear. Read it . Oh I did I just want some clarification on third party apps like the Market crawlers that automate search's in the market browser. Through the IGB Quote:This includes, but isnGÇÖt limited to:
GÇóActivation and control of ships and modules GÇóNavigation and movement within the EVE universe GÇóMovement of assets and items within the EVE universe GÇóInteraction with other characters
Any software that is not banned by the licensing agreement and clarified by the original post is not discussed here. If an uncertainly exists any such software can be petitioned for clarification.
I realise that people are desperately trying to find a loophole, and CCP have been amazingly clear as to WHAT IS NOT ALLOWED. If you think you have found a loophole, give it up, they have made their decision.
I also point out, that if anyone thinks that Trying to sow the maximum confusion or creating spurious petitions to overwhelm them will benefit in some way? It is very unlikely to end well, and not recommended. Even if one feels the accounts are worthless and it is worth the risk. It isn't. those who decide such things, will not be amused.
The days of ISObox plenty are coming to an end, whether one likes it or not. Accept it, being in denial, will just frustrate.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Mashimara
Defenders of Commerce Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations
3
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:07:30 -
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Budsin Adar wrote:My Question is okay multi boxing is okay!! i can understand that now the ones that are allowing it as bots instead of banning them which makes sense to all of us. My question is when they do that why can't we shoot them and keep the ships or loot just have them show also as an NPC free kills they would get the hint and have to start over when there pods are floating in space.. we all could use the practice Right guys and gals? not being a care bare on this but it would be fun and give others points shoot for the lulz and others grab the ore we all could use it thanks fly safe or freely everyone o7
^^ This. Great idea for the masses.
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Nasar Vyron
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:07:48 -
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Just wanna throw this out there to start, I am always amazed how players can support actions taken to shrink their player base. That actually like seeing people quit and their game shrivel. I laugh every time. With that said...
This seems like a far more harmful action to be taking without concurrent buffs within the game. I personally do not ISBox, yet can see it's necessity within a game with a shrinking player base for market stability. Think about it's primary use: Mining. Can you tell me that you think that when this starts being enforced that mineral prices will not begin to skyrocket? Do you believe that ship, module, ammo, and drone prices will not go up in turn? Simple case of supply and demand people. This will not cut off your supply entirely, but it will completely remove a large percentage of your suppliers. I would assume most players who make use of this program are strongly contemplating unloading their characters and leaving entirely.
While most of us can say that the multiboxing suicide ganks and bombers are annoying.. and may be glad to see their frequency decline (they will NEVER stop unless ccp wants to kill this game entirely).. this action is too broad without a patch hitting concurrently increasing the mineral payouts of refining modules and ore. CCP is removing a large portion of the game supply without supplementing it with anything. More players will not start mining until the prices are already increasing making the profits worth their time to change their professions. By that time the damage has been done and while the market will stabilize it will be much higher than what we currently see.
CCP this is too broad an action. Some people are upset about the pvp related actions of that segment of the player base. Those you see crying now about multiboxing miners don't seem to understand what they actually contribute to the game or are simply bandwagoning trolls who do understand but just like to watch the world burn.
I'll end with this I really have no horse in this game. Just wanted to throw that out there and maybe open some eyes. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1395
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:08:34 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:epicurus ataraxia wrote:Well whether one agrees with ISOBOXER or not the decision is made and it is clear, There is no room for someone to find any wriggle room whatsoever and those who try, will find that it does not pay. We are witnessing the Age of an era. No long will we see herds of mighty hulks sweeping across the open fields of Space, devouring all before them. No longer will we see the vast flocks of nightmares, their hundreds of lasers cutting across space and wreaking their beautiful but deadly devastation. We have seen the end in our time, and when we tell those that follow of the days of the mighty Isoboxer fleets, they will say. "How the hell was that ever allowed?" You must be new here... Only a complete nub would think such things.
ooh. I bow to your wisdom.
No wait.....
Sorry which one of the multibox alts am i replying to?
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
62
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:08:53 -
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Goons are crying and trying to derail this into usual goon tear topics, this time it's afk cloackers, but could be anything. That means we have a good change.
I do see a loophole in the condition, but will ask for a clarification in a petition to not reveal it. Out of pure academic interest, mind you, despite having alts, I never used multiboxing software or input automation of any kind. I might say that policy is very vague and the part "but not limited to" fails to draw a clear line, possibly prosecuting anything that resembles input automation/multiplication, or being quite inefficient, because there's no indication where this policy stops.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
25643
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:10:41 -
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no one is crying. this is fair, considering the removal of med clone costs. not all multiboxers use ISBoxer anyway.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7283
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:11:06 -
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Dazamin wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Dazamin wrote:Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too? Why would they remove an in-game feature when they are addressing out of game issues? You mad bro? Well its the behaviour that's the problem surely? Not sure how its achieved is really an issue. But I do think rid of in game fleet warps would be genuinely good for the same reasons as getting rid of out of game methods of key / mouse broadcasting would be. Make each character take their own actions, make their own mistakes, etc.
Well, this is quite specifically just about rules pertaining to out-of-game actions, and not changes to existing in-game features.
If this were about behavior and not external influence via 3rd party apps it would also be verboten to run multiple clients on the same PC.
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1267
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:11:06 -
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Dazamin wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Dazamin wrote:Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too? Why would they remove an in-game feature when they are addressing out of game issues? You mad bro? Well its the behaviour that's the problem surely? Not sure how its achieved is really an issue. But I do think rid of in game fleet warps would be genuinely good for the same reasons as getting rid of out of game methods of key / mouse broadcasting would be. Make each character take their own actions, make their own mistakes, etc. The issue is the behaviors yes, but that may or may not include various activities within the game on a micro level. Outside tools and their capabilities are outside of CCP control. Fleet mechanics are well within their control. They also have limitations that 3rd party repeater warping does not like moving at the lowest warp speed of the ships in the group (I think that is still a thing anyways).
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Hott Pocket
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:14:46 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking.
That would figure. First thing I did when I saw this post was switch training to stealth bombers/cyno V. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
2450
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:15:43 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Dazamin wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Dazamin wrote:Can we remove squad / wing / fleet warps too? Why would they remove an in-game feature when they are addressing out of game issues? You mad bro? Well its the behaviour that's the problem surely? Not sure how its achieved is really an issue. But I do think rid of in game fleet warps would be genuinely good for the same reasons as getting rid of out of game methods of key / mouse broadcasting would be. Make each character take their own actions, make their own mistakes, etc. The issue is the behaviors yes, but that may or may not include various activities within the game on a micro level. Outside tools and their capabilities are outside of CCP control. Fleet mechanics are well within their control. They also have limitations that 3rd party repeater warping does not like moving at the lowest warp speed of the ships in the group (I think that is still a thing anyways).
The behavior, fleet warping, is NOT the issue. Fleet warping is a feature built into the game by CCP. Since the portion of the EULA relating to ISBoxer refers SPECIFICALLY to 3rd party software and modifying the client, fleet warping, drone assist and other IN GAME features (features designed in game by CCP) are irrelevant.
It is just that simple.
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