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RUS Comannder
Tremor Recorded Variable Enterprise Training Standards
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Posted - 2014.11.26 10:59:19 -
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From strictly a business standpoint along with my view of the way IS boxer covets its reputation to not create anything which violates the rules of a game, I think everyone can be certain that a lot of discussion will take place between IS Boxer and Eve, so IS Boxer can be sure they are not doing anything to get their customers banned from Eve. That would be an extremely stupid move on their part.
I think they don't mind having thin margins between their content on the extreme coming fairly close to the outer edge cases of Eve's rules. They will be sure of making a product that will keep them a viable provider across many gaming platforms. Eve is a small part of their business and their basic package is modified into a product acceptable to every gaming platform rules committee.
Let's get something straight about third party products. First, try running Eve on a computer that does not have a third Operating System installed, or video card, sound card, mouse drivers, keyboard, DirectX and probably a few dozen or hundred more. I know, the really butthurt will say those programs aren't meant to run "botting" programs, well, neither is IS Boxer. IS Boxer cannot allow you to go to the movies and still have your scam appear every 22.185 seconds along with a cheerleader positng a wonderful thing about your scam in between every other scam post. Is boxer cannot mine for you or run a repetitive agent courier mission for you while you are afk. If you are going to use Is boxer, you must be present and nothing happens until you press a key or click a mouse. There are no timers, no macros, so scripts. You may become confused if you go to the IS Boxer site and see references to macros, because some games allow macros and IS Boxer was originally designed for WOW and I understand WOW has built in macros as part of the game. When IS Boxer writes instructions, there are so many clauses for different games it becomes very hard to follow and there is not enough business for them it seems to write a manual exclusively for Eve.
The author of IS Boxer was on Redditt early today or yesterday, and stated he would write in a stop for any game violating behavior and it would be applied when you choose the game you are going to play. And no, you cannot pick WOW and then play Eve. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
826
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:00:20 -
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GeeBee wrote:I do have to say that if mirrored input broadcasting isn't detectible and dealt with quickly and automatically this is going to be a very rough and annoying process relying on players policing each other with a silly amount of witchhunt and accusations going on between players that shouldn't be happening. If you cannot stop it without players reporting each or micro scoping players manually to detect it then this entire policy change is a load of uselessness and exercise in futility. Since botting is still a problem and identifying bots and reporting them is still a problem I am doubtful, but please prove me wrong.
isbotter are obvious. report, CCP will check logs and ban the player. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5991
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:02:47 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:It has become very fashionable for folk to threaten to rage quit with their zillion accounts with each change CCP make to the game.
I only have one account, am I doing it wrong?
Of course you're not. It just means you've already ragequit your zillion accounts and only have one left
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2284
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:04:00 -
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RUS Comannder wrote:The author of IS Boxer was on Redditt early today or yesterday, and stated he would write in a stop for any game violating behavior and it would be applied when you choose the game you are going to play. And no, you cannot pick WOW and then play Eve. In my line of work unemployment, this is commonly know as an "externality."
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
421
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:08:25 -
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eiedu wrote:RIP incursions RIP Ratting RIP bombing
Time to go back to wow, where it makes no sense to have multiple accounts
How are you even going to "catch" people who are input-multiplexing hardware-wise
Event and input logging. In other words : much easier than you'd think.
Join channel Aussies in space to chat with AU/NZ players
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
826
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:11:00 -
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James Baboli wrote: I get <10ms lagtimes when manually alt-tabbing hard and using keybinds. It all comes down to the granularity of the logs in question as to whether it can be done or not.
the question is whether you want to risk your accounts and hope your tool isnt going to be detected, your business. If you implement something like isbotter using other tools, which does same or nearly same thing and looks same as isbotter for other players, chances are you getting busted as good as real isbotters, there is no much difference then.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
826
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:13:23 -
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Hulky Boy wrote:People complaining about others using programs like is-boxer are those that are too lazy to use scouts to check if there are 30 man gangs this is not the point. I dont WANT to have to deal with people isbottong fleet of 30. Thankfully, CCP dealt with it finally.
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
826
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:15:56 -
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James Baboli wrote: And how short is said window? Is it a fixed window? Is it sliding scale based on complexity of command? How granular are the logs? Is there an appeal process?
It ain't trivial, but its not insurmountable. It's also possible, to with practice, get reaction times that seem impossible, especially with combination commands, like keybinds with voice control and good ole-fashion keymashing
you try it out and tell us later how your scripting project ended (if you still have an account to post here :D). |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2284
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:16:05 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:James Baboli wrote: I get <10ms lagtimes when manually alt-tabbing hard and using keybinds. It all comes down to the granularity of the logs in question as to whether it can be done or not.
the question is whether you want to risk your accounts and hope your tool isnt going to be detected, your business. If you implement something like isbotter using other tools, which does same or nearly same thing and looks same as isbotter for other players, chances are you getting busted as good as real isbotters, there is no much difference then. So now legit players will have to fly around and muse to themselves: "gee, I sure hope I don't look like someone broadcasting inputs just because I'm pressing my F keys very consistently." Nice. Instituting blanket punishment on people who only seem like they're breaking the rules is always the enlightened solution.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Josef Djugashvilis
2701
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:16:35 -
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To all those who intend to 'bend' the rules regarding ISboxer
It is good to see that gambling has been taken to a new level: my ability to circumvent the rules, bets that CCP will not be able to tell and perma ban my zillion accounts.
High stakes indeed.
This is not a signature.
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Thomas Mayaki
Perkone Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:22:04 -
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Warr Akini wrote:I've had a good suicide ganking run, but the wave of nerfs against it don't seem to be stopping anytime soon.
Thanks. It's been fun.
This is not a nerf against ganking its a nerf on bot-aspirant behavior. If you repent your former sins I'm sure there will be a place in the New Order for you.
You may read up on the CODE at http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
826
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:23:44 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: So now legit players will have to fly around and muse to themselves: "gee, I sure hope I don't look like someone broadcasting inputs just because I'm pressing my F keys very consistently." Nice. Instituting blanket punishment on people who only seem like they're breaking the rules is always the enlightened solution.
i'm sure, legit players dont have to think like that. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2284
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:25:05 -
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Thomas Mayaki wrote:Warr Akini wrote:I've had a good suicide ganking run, but the wave of nerfs against it don't seem to be stopping anytime soon.
Thanks. It's been fun. This is not a nerf against ganking its a nerf on bot-aspirant behavior. If you repent your former sins I'm sure there will be a place in the New Order for you. You may read up on the CODE at http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html It is very much a nerf on freighter-ganking, seeing as how it's the only activity, when done solo, that necessitates outside software in order to reach the same level of efficiency that is reached in all other activities by employing alts the normal alt-tabbing way.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
826
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:25:17 -
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Man, its funny how hordes of isbotters claiming here how they cant be caught. Holy ****, go try it out after January, 1st if you're so smart and tell us how it went for you. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2285
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:26:29 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Man, its funny how hordes of isbotters claiming here how they cant be caught. Holy ****, go try it out after January, 1st if you're so smart and tell us how it went for you. The issue isn't that people breaking the rules will be caught; the issue is that innocent people will be caught for false positives. You have, just a few posts ago, admitted to that yourself.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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CCP Random
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:27:13 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:To all those who intend to 'bend' the rules regarding ISboxer
It is good to see that gambling has been taken to a new level: my ability to circumvent the rules, bets that CCP will not be able to tell and perma ban my zillion accounts.
High stakes indeed.
I recommend to rethink this approach. It is detectable for us. |
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
827
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:28:25 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: The issue isn't that people breaking the rules will be caught; the issue is that innocent people will be caught for false positives. You have, just a few posts ago, admitted to that yourself.
you try to back up your pro-isbotter attitude by false positives? I dont care, because I'm sure threre wont be that many. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2285
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:29:19 -
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CCP Random wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:To all those who intend to 'bend' the rules regarding ISboxer
It is good to see that gambling has been taken to a new level: my ability to circumvent the rules, bets that CCP will not be able to tell and perma ban my zillion accounts.
High stakes indeed. I recommend to rethink this approach. It is detectable for us. Can you also detect someone using mouse drivers to send multiple commands with one button? We've been asking this for many, many pages now.
Robert Caldera wrote:you try to back up your pro-isbotter attitude by false positives? I dont care, because I'm sure threre wont be that many. Being "sure" about something isn't equivalent to science. Until CCP confirms that they can differentiate between legit key presses and software input of any type, it's just wishful thinking on your part.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Maneila Bekas
Capital Hot Rods
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:29:29 -
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Airi Cho wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:Does this apply to inventory management within the same station?
For example... I occasionally go on a ship giveaway binge where I'll fit up several dozen frigs / destroyers, fill their cargo with the skills needed to fly them, and then give them out in newbie systems.
Obviously click dragging a dozen items one by one is tedious in the extreme and any automation would be a godsend.
Is it acceptable to load up a bunch of accounts at once and use broadcasting to speed up this process? saved fittings dude. just saying.
***DONT TELL HIM ALL THE GOOD SECRETS OF EVE, damn you, now everybody knows that you can fit with ONE Click out of the Fitting Window*** :D :D :D
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Josef Djugashvilis
2701
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:30:16 -
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CCP Random wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:To all those who intend to 'bend' the rules regarding ISboxer
It is good to see that gambling has been taken to a new level: my ability to circumvent the rules, bets that CCP will not be able to tell and perma ban my zillion accounts.
High stakes indeed. I recommend to rethink this approach. It is detectable for us.
Just for clarity, I would not recognize an ISboxer if I fell over one.
My post was aimed at the many folk who have posted saying that they intend to get around the new rules.
This is not a signature.
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HypoConDreAct
Shits N Giggles
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:31:00 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Man, its funny how hordes of isbotters claiming here how they cant be caught. Holy ****, go try it out after January, 1st if you're so smart and tell us how it went for you.
you do realize isboxer isn't band just the repeater in isboxer is been band. and the dev of isboxer has said he will remove it for the eve setup of isboxer so players that use it cant get band right? or are you just trolling? |
Hulasikali Walla
Never Mind the Bollocks
83
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:31:58 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Quick question, not sure if it has been answered but here I go.
What about keyboard / mouse key mapping?
For example I have a Logitech G710+ so I am able to map multiple keys just to 1.
I am sure that many Eve players do the same thing so is this still allowed?
For a very quick example, I can map all the keyboard shortcuts to overload certain modules to 1 key.
From what I understand it's ok to have keybinding has long has you don't broacast the command to multiple sessions of EvE
Correct me if I'm wrong
I personaly use a G15 + G5, with a few key-binding, doing a lot of Alt-tabbing. |
Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
4437
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:34:19 -
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I, Cannibal Kane, Approve this change.
On a more serious note.
Never had an issue with gankers or miners using ISKboxer to automate functions. Did not effect me.
Still think it is a good change though since it forces people to work closely even more. Combine that with the proposed "no shooting corp mates" means people might actually be more willing to do thing together in their shiny ships.
All that means for me... I have more active wartargets in big ships.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
827
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:36:07 -
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HypoConDreAct wrote: you do realize isboxer isn't band just the repeater in isboxer is been band. and the dev of isboxer has said he will remove it for the eve setup of isboxer so players that use it cant get band right? or are you just trolling?
did you even realize what I wrote? I'm about people bitching how they can evade the rule by using other tools or methods, resembling isbotters input broadcast feature or similar stuff. Learn to read and understand. |
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1297
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:36:45 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:RUS Comannder wrote:The author of IS Boxer was on Redditt early today or yesterday, and stated he would write in a stop for any game violating behavior and it would be applied when you choose the game you are going to play. And no, you cannot pick WOW and then play Eve. In my line of work unemployment, this is commonly known as an "externality."
This is why so many of us like Isboxer so much. Because the developer makes us feel comfortable that we are not violating the EULA by using it. I'll have to shoot him a tell later thanking him for the change. This should go a long way toward keeping users happy. |
Oraac Ensor
583
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:37:55 -
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Bethan Le Troix wrote:Querns wrote:Bethan Le Troix wrote: Wouldn't it be clearer and better just to say all use of ISBoxer & similar software is against the EULA and have done with it ??
ISBoxer isn't the only software that allows input multiplexing. Banning ISBoxer outright as the sole action of the change would just make everyone move over to another brand of software that does the same thing. Well obviously all types of software that do the same activity would be banned. Don't split hairs. He isn't splitting hairs - he just didn't bother to read your post properly. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2286
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:38:04 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:All that means for me... I have more active wartargets in big ships. Who still won't undock for you to shoot them.
Hey, do you really think that if CCP's willing to get rid of awoxing and small-op freighter ganks in a single patch, that something like war isn't headed for the chopping block as well?
I thought you were smarter than that.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:38:28 -
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I currently have two main ISBoxer/bot mining fleets I am trying to move on from a system. One comprises two corps with three members & and about a dozen respectively. The other one is a hardcore ISBoxer with eighteen accounts in NPC corps that all log on like a machine gun within milliseconds of each other.
They will both be getting a nasty shock come the new year. I can't wait...........
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1297
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:42:02 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Man, its funny how hordes of isbotters claiming here how they cant be caught. Holy ****, go try it out after January, 1st if you're so smart and tell us how it went for you.
Robert Caldera wrote:HypoConDreAct wrote: you do realize isboxer isn't band just the repeater in isboxer is been band. and the dev of isboxer has said he will remove it for the eve setup of isboxer so players that use it cant get band right? or are you just trolling?
did you even realize what I wrote? I'm about people bitching how they can evade the rule by using other tools or methods, resembling isbotters input broadcast feature or similar stuff. Learn to read and understand.
As someone who can read and understand English very well, no-one can understand what you are trying to say. |
Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
4437
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:43:29 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:All that means for me... I have more active wartargets in big ships. Who still won't undock for you to shoot them. Hey, do you really think that if CCP's willing to get rid of awoxing and small-op freighter ganks in a single patch, that something like war isn't headed for the chopping block as well? I thought you were smarter than that.
It not about being smart... it is just that I do not care. EVE is not that high of a priority in my life that it matters enough for me to start throwing my toys out my cot.
It is a game I play, the minute the game becomes something I cannot play the way I would like or I cannot adapt to a change I move on. it really is that simple.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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