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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:43:32 -
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Arronicus wrote: As someone who can read and understand English very well, no-one can understand what you are trying to say.
really? You are speaking for everyone? |
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CCP Random
C C P C C P Alliance
6
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:47:19 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Can you also detect someone using mouse drivers to send multiple commands with one button? We've been asking this for many, many pages now.
Yes. To quote the initial post:
Quote: We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe.
The scope of this is controlling multiple accounts at the same time (in a semi-automated fashion which uses your input actions multiple times) for actions with meaning to EVE. The means you apply to archive this do not matter at all. |
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2286
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:49:03 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:It not about being smart... it is just that I do not care. EVE is not that high of a priority in my life that it matters enough for me to start throwing my toys out my cot.
It is a game I play, the minute the game becomes something I cannot play the way I would like or I cannot adapt to a change I move on. it really is that simple.
If I cannot wardec anymore, I will move to low. Something I am already considering. If you didn't "care," you wouldn't be playing it to begin with. Your presence alone indicates the presence of some degree of caring. And the fact that you care conflicts with your expressed support for bad gameplay changes, at least from the perspective of a high-sec pvper.
So it's either you're lying, or you actually want the game to fail.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1297
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:49:33 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Arronicus wrote: As someone who can read and understand English very well, no-one can understand what you are trying to say.
really? You are speaking for everyone?
Yes. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2286
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:53:34 -
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CCP Random wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Can you also detect someone using mouse drivers to send multiple commands with one button? We've been asking this for many, many pages now.
Yes. This is amazingly troubling. What do you have running on our systems, now? This, combined with the fact that I recently noticed that the standalone EVE client is asking permission to hook to the Steam client if it's running (and it literally won't start up without being given said permission), makes me think it's time to start running EVE in a VM with every spoofed to hell and back.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Femerov
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:53:39 -
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finally :) |
Cannibal Kane
Cannibal Empire
4437
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:56:13 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:It not about being smart... it is just that I do not care. EVE is not that high of a priority in my life that it matters enough for me to start throwing my toys out my cot.
It is a game I play, the minute the game becomes something I cannot play the way I would like or I cannot adapt to a change I move on. it really is that simple.
If I cannot wardec anymore, I will move to low. Something I am already considering. If you didn't "care," you wouldn't be playing it to begin with. Your presence alone indicates the presence of some degree of caring. And the fact that you care conflicts with your expressed support for bad gameplay changes, at least from the perspective of a high-sec pvper. So it's either you're lying, or you actually want the game to fail.
I think you put to much emphasis on the word care. Or you are to emotionally invested in EVE.
I play EVE to relax when I get back home from work. I chose EVE over other MMO's because I like space and I like shooting at stuff. No doubt I invested money in EVE to play it, but that is because I enjoy it. I spend money on things I enjoy and at that time, EVE was the only real contender for my money. More contenders are brewing though...
Change is inevitable, I will adapt or I will move to the next best thing.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2286
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:00:30 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:Change is inevitable, I will adapt or I will move to the next best thing. So in your eyes, the only two options are adaptation or quitting, and not something like, say, trying to influence the product's direction in terms of development? That's pretty bleak.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
62
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:09:32 -
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Just look at them speculating As the one who's been watching market speculations for a while, I can tell this is just a few notches away from B-R5RB aftermath. Though I'm half convinced this is just a "burn jita" variation born from the goon tears, which are flowing into this thread faster than I can read it, because, let's face it, it's not happened yet. You still have 5 weeks to go, and your blue donut cheat fleet is going to generate a trillion in the meantime, which would plex you (after miners unsub) for about 10 years once plex speculation dust settles. So step on exploiting, not on tear-posting.
On a second thought, how is the plex price going to drop if goon bot fleet trillions keep it inflated?
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Deck Cadelanne
Exigent Circumstances CAStabouts
71
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:12:02 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: It is very much a nerf on freighter-ganking, seeing as how it's the only activity, when done solo, that necessitates outside software in order to reach the same level of efficiency that is reached in all other activities by employing alts the normal alt-tabbing way.
As opposed to "solo" gatecamping with an ISBoxed Tornado blob and alpha-ing anything smaller than a BS...or "solo" stealth bomber ISBox fleets for the same effect?
You might have to play with friends when you want to go gank a freighter now. Why is that so tragic?
"When the going gets weird, the weird turn professional."
- Hunter S. Thompson
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Lt Huunuras
Yard Industries Kadeshians
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:17:26 -
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Only the function of "Input Broadcasting" and "Input Multiplexing" will be banned. So the function to cut out pieces of your game and build up your own overlay is LEGAL to the given facts.
Cool, nothing changed... i like it. Good Move :)
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Thomas Mayaki
Perkone Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:17:56 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Thomas Mayaki wrote:Warr Akini wrote:I've had a good suicide ganking run, but the wave of nerfs against it don't seem to be stopping anytime soon.
Thanks. It's been fun. This is not a nerf against ganking its a nerf on bot-aspirant behavior. If you repent your former sins I'm sure there will be a place in the New Order for you. You may read up on the CODE at http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html It is very much a nerf on freighter-ganking, seeing as how it's the only activity, when done solo, that necessitates outside software in order to reach the same level of efficiency that is reached in all other activities by employing alts the normal alt-tabbing way.
'when done solo' - I think I see where you and I differ. I don't believe that one player should be able to take out a freighter using a program and would consider it more cheating than ganking. A group of players yes, a solo players no. I suggest you look at CODE. killboard with regard proper freighter ganking.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2286
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:18:35 -
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Deck Cadelanne wrote:You might have to play with friends when you want to go gank a freighter now. Why is that so tragic?
Because if this is their intent with this change, they're not going to stop here. It means they view freighter ganking as the problem, and not ISBoxing.
Thomas Mayaki wrote:'when done solo' - I think I see where you and I differ. I don't believe that one player should be able to take out a freighter using a program and would consider it more cheating than ganking. A group of players yes, a solo players no. I suggest you look at CODE. killboard with regard proper freighter ganking. Why should freighter-ganking be different from any other alt-friendly activity (read: all of them) in the game?
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Sacu Shi
Shadows of Telara
45
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:18:36 -
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All those people who are complaining about this change and who are saying such things as 'bye', 'I'm leaving and taking my alts with me...', 'Back to WoW'.
Can I please haz your stuffs? |
Dracorimus
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
10
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:19:14 -
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finally thank goodness
isboxer's tears = wonderful |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
827
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:27:42 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Because if this is their intent with this change, they're not going to stop here. It means they view freighter ganking as the problem, and not ISBoxing.
whats so hard to understand there? They dont want 1 man to do these things like there were 20 men in automated manner. Freighter ganking is no problem, freighter ganking by 20 catalysts from 1 dude isbotted fleet IS a problem! |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2286
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:33:51 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:whats so hard to understand there? They dont want 1 man to do these things like there were 20 men in automated manner. Freighter ganking is no problem, freighter ganking by 20 catalysts from 1 dude isbotted fleet IS a problem! The costs and penalties associated with the act are the same, no matter how the act is performed. Twenty characters are going to suffer security status losses and get kill rights made on them, and twenty ships are going to be destroyed by CONCORD with no insurance payouts.
You're saying that it's a problem, but you're not aying why it's a problem, and that's the issue. So maybe you should tell us, and while you're at it, also tell us why one player using multiple accounts to gank someone is bad, but one player using multiple accounts to run pve content isn't.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Sacu Shi
Shadows of Telara
45
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:34:16 -
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The Ironfist wrote:Anyone using ISboxer with half a brain is simply gonna double down for the next month:) Bloodraider smart-bomb ratting is making me 2b per hour in isk and about 1b in loot and svalage after seeing the "news" all I did was resub 4 more accounts next 4 weeks I'm simply gonna smart-bomb 12h a day so that after the first of January I'll never have to do it again. If I can keep it up to 12h a day gonna make close to 2 tril isk the next 30 days.And really what does that change you can still use keybinds just not across clients and you can still use roaming keys you can still use videoFX. Isboxer still gives you an insane edge over the plebs who don't use it or don't know how to correctly use it. Broadcasting was just a easy-mode thing.
Fits Strategy Technique Site
Or it didn't happen.
Even if it did...share your methods :)
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kraken11 jensen
Californian CottonPickers
11
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:35:27 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Because if this is their intent with this change, they're not going to stop here. It means they view freighter ganking as the problem, and not ISBoxing.
whats so hard to understand there? They dont want 1 man to do these things like there were 20 men in automated manner. Freighter ganking is no problem, freighter ganking by 20 catalysts from 1 dude isbotted fleet IS a problem!
I have never seen that, And i have seen a lot. |
kraken11 jensen
Californian CottonPickers
11
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:39:41 -
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Arronicus wrote:Robert Caldera wrote:Man, its funny how hordes of isbotters claiming here how they cant be caught. Holy ****, go try it out after January, 1st if you're so smart and tell us how it went for you. Robert Caldera wrote:HypoConDreAct wrote: you do realize isboxer isn't band just the repeater in isboxer is been band. and the dev of isboxer has said he will remove it for the eve setup of isboxer so players that use it cant get band right? or are you just trolling?
did you even realize what I wrote? I'm about people bitching how they can evade the rule by using other tools or methods, resembling isbotters input broadcast feature or similar stuff. Learn to read and understand. As someone who can read and understand English very well, no-one can understand what you are trying to say.
I understand what they're writing, so eather you troll, or you can't read English from non native americans/English men (etc' and also People who dont speak/Write it very well)
Reapeater or not, it wont change too mutch. As for miners. So who hope it going to effect isb boxer miners.. you can dream :) (i dont mine) |
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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
830
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:39:51 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: You're saying that it's a problem, but you're not aying why it's a problem, and that's the issue. So maybe you should tell us, and while you're at it, also tell us why one player using multiple accounts to gank someone is bad, but one player using multiple accounts to run pve content isn't.
it has been said lots of times already, not going to reiterate on details. You are acquiring too much advantage as solo player by automating x clients, which is prohibited for a good reason per EULA per SE. Move on its done. |
Lt Huunuras
Yard Industries Kadeshians
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:40:15 -
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Example of legal usage of Isboxer.
How to use ISboxer, legally
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Maneila Bekas
Capital Hot Rods
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:40:25 -
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Well, i know one Thing for sure...nearlly NO ISBOXER EVER EVER PAID REAL MONEY FOR THEIR 10/20 or 50 Accounts...they bought even the Toons and upgraded to even bigger whoring Isk generating fleets.
Incursion Runners with 10 Accounts ? Whored on Plex and stockpiled them Incursion Runner with 50 Account ? Flying HQ Sites ? They have ALL Their 50Accounts plexxed in sometimes UNDER 10 HOURS ! Needed to cook, fap and call your Mom ? Ok, then it took you 15hours...
Just look at the Plex Market,...where do you think come all the 3000+Plexes thrown on the Market ?
i don-¦t want to start a discussion about PVP...there is nothing to discuss about it.
For me it is simple...
Maybe 50 or 100 People that really whored the **** out of New Eden, flying dozens accounts with some keystrokes and stockpiling Plex, and those ULTRA-MINERS...they will ALLLLL GO AWAY now. You need Ore ? Fleet up, do it for your Corp !
First of all, the guy that wrote "Incursions RIP" omfg.... Running Incursions with one of the BIG Shield/Armor Communities is a SOCIAL GROUP THING...whole fu******* EVE is a SOCIAL GROUP THING !
as i said...getting wrecked by 10 Bombers, all flown by ONE Guy...sorry,..sure this is not "acceptable". Solo PVP ? I doubt this was meant to be like this...It doesnt matter if you think "thats my style to play eve blablabla i pay for this with my gaming time my isk blablabla"...
What do you think would be left in 10years when not stopping this "antisocial gaming behaviour" ?
5 Guys - fighting - everyone with 200 Accounts under their One Button Strokes... omg...you sure could UPGRADE your ISBoxer Tool with an Option called "Social Chat Behavior"...bots that talk about the weather, posting sexy Gifs oh yeah and of course complain about baaad fittings...you would even add those bots to your contact list under "good bro-¦s - bad bro-¦s".... :D
Come on,... don-¦t tell me you want this.
Another Good thing now,..if you are really capable to ALT-TAB oder Multiscreen more than 3 accounts effectively...you are real PRO now. Multitasking is now a Skill !
And lets be honest. You have so many ways earning ISK in Eve... who really really still pays 13Gé¼ or 13$ or what, for one or two or those 3 accounts he ownes ? Come on ? Who still does it ? Maybe some do it because of "yeah i want CCP to have some Money for this nice game..." but normally, you can plex the **** out of the game....even without "Isboxing 20Accounts".
Now imagine, there is no plex anymore ? Sure it is TIME you invest to get that isk and buy that plex...but i would love to see a restriction like "EVERY ACCOUNT HAS THE OPTION TO GAIN MAX. 11 MONTHS PER YEAR SUBSCRIPTION BY USING PLEX"
Which means, CCP gets ONCE a year, some EURO for every active account (sure with 3 toons running). Or even "smaller"...Every 5 Accounts with 15Toons max. NEED TO PAY A annual FEE of 20$/20Gé¼. The Rest can be paid by Plex. And yes, you get 5 PLEX (well 5 month sub.) for that 20Gé¼/$. So only need to plex 11months.
Why i am talking about "giving your real life Money to ccp ?"
Now IMAGINE please, and NO ( i dont work for CCP but i know how companies run and what CAN be done ), JUST IMAGINE...what CCP could OFFER us,...the Players, when having the Access to more REAL MONEY ?
They could launch TV Adverts, they could bring in more people into the company, for Supporttickets, for new SHIPS, new MISSIONS, creating NEW CONTENT and hell they could give the Game a fu****** awesome TUTORIAL with even freaking CUTSCENES and after 2 Weeks, flying around in your noobship with your noobskills and no clue of nothing....you, the NEW EVE Player Guy, would feel like.."THIS GAME IS AWESOME"...
And instead of trying to get ISK ISK ISK to NOT pay with real money...for one freaking account, you would ENJOY the Game, the World, the Options offered and of course group up in the game to achieve even bigger things.
A lot of players start EVE, and stay "alone" for a loooong loooong time...earning ISK...alone.
A freaking new superb Tutorial and Adverts and a "NEW PLAYER BASE"...brings fresh wind into the old and dusty Eve Base.
Nobody should be left alone in EVE....and well, the guys who want to play EVE only as a single player game,...now, they cant MultiUse 40Accounts at the same time, and wrecking the fun of thousands and stealing the options that should be available to better 40 individuals than only ONE Person.
No really,...who would say NO to 1$/1Gé¼ per MONTH for EVERY 3 TOONS/1Account ...WHEN WE WOULD GET SOOOO MUCH MOREEEE IN SOOO MUCHHH SHORTER TIME from CCp ?
I only say "LEGION 2015/16 -> imagine F2P for the first month and then 1Gé¼ only per Month i mean COME ONNNN.... Or do you want to see 40 Soldiers running around, isboxed by one guy ? :D ok, ok, at least we all know,...FPS Shooters work a little bit different....but hey,...before you all say "CCP GETS ENOUGH MONEY" or "BYE CCP DONT NEED MY 30Accounts anymore"...you really really should think about what HAPPENS when CCP needs to CLOSE EVE.
So stop complaining about nerfs and rules...they are good for 98% of us and for the future development of this awesome game...and for the connectivity with the other projects, for sure...
Please think about this. World of Warcraft had over 12.000.000 Sub. PAYING to FIRST BUY the Game like a normal Game, then the ADD-Ons and the monthly Fee FOR YEARS.
And you only could look up into the stars in Azeroth.thats it. ;) Everyone writing "i go play wow again bye ccp"...sorry, but there is no "logic" behind such a phrase.
I mean 2 different games, 2 different worlds wtf...ok we DONT HAVE DRAGONS in Eve..but hey,..who knows ?
CCP i want DRAGONS, big ones in new LV6 Burner Missions ! please scratch that down on the TO DO List for next year for me...thank you <3 and of course i want them to attack Alliance POS randomly with 1trillion Damage per Firestroke... :D |
Faye Ren
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:42:47 -
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Great job CCP!
It was about time the the 10000 toons - 1 man fleet stuff had an end.
Just a quick question, will it be allowed to macro one mouse key to lock on with 1 click? instead of ctrl+click. not broadcasting, only on 1 toon.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2286
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:42:48 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: You're saying that it's a problem, but you're not aying why it's a problem, and that's the issue. So maybe you should tell us, and while you're at it, also tell us why one player using multiple accounts to gank someone is bad, but one player using multiple accounts to run pve content isn't.
it has been said lots of times already, not going to reiterate on details. You are acquiring too much advantage as solo player by automating x clients, which is prohibited for a good reason per EULA per SE. Move on its done. Nothing is being automated in a freighter gank.
Good job on avoiding the question like a pro, though.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Oraac Ensor
583
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:45:40 -
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Doc Fury wrote: If this were about behavior and not external influence using 3rd party apps it would also be verboten to run multiple clients on the same PC.
How, exactly? |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
831
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:47:01 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: Nothing is being automated in a freighter gank.
Good job on avoiding the question like a pro, though.
we are talking about an isbotted freighter gank right? When you play 1 client and other 19 catalysts are automated in background, right?? Input broadcast is form of automation, this is why its explicitely illegal now (actually always was, see EULA, part 3c) and why we have this thread here. |
The Ironfist
Nordbot Capitals Northern Associates.
72
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:50:05 -
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Ormand Audel wrote:Agent Intrepid wrote:The Ironfist wrote:Anyone using ISboxer with half a brain is simply gonna double down for the next month:) Bloodraider smart-bomb ratting is making me 2b per hour in isk and about 1b in loot and svalage after seeing the "news" all I did was resub 4 more accounts next 4 weeks I'm simply gonna smart-bomb 12h a day so that after the first of January I'll never have to do it again. If I can keep it up to 12h a day gonna make close to 2 tril isk the next 30 days.And really what does that change you can still use keybinds just not across clients and you can still use roaming keys you can still use videoFX. Isboxer still gives you an insane edge over the plebs who don't use it or don't know how to correctly use it. Broadcasting was just a easy-mode thing. You make 2 billion isk an hour smartbomb ratting, and expect to make a trillion isk over the next month? Sounds like something CCP would want to look into. Uh.. 2b from bounties. 1b from loot/salvage. That's 3b/hour. 3*12=36 36*30=1080. Not sure how he's going to make close to 2tril since his math comes out to 1080b, but it's still over a tril. Adrie Atticus wrote:Nemed Bererund wrote:So no more Eve-Central Market crawler then? CREST provides that data already. Isn't that a feature coming in december?
Doubling down m8:) upped it from 4 to 8 doing 2 teams of smartbombing now since you can mirror it 100% because its always the same process warp to ring heaven at zero approach gate with AB on (click A) start all smartbombs (click S) starting all smartbombs.
This also does not take into account the 10/10s I get from doing this... on average 5-8 10/10 escalations a day per team which I hand of to a corp mate he runs em with 2 paladins and we split profit from em 40/60 (me getting 40%). That adds a few bill extra per day as well. Its really really good isk:) |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2287
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:51:25 -
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There's no automation. Input broadcasting isn't automation. You don't even need software to do this (although it's much simpler with software). You can have separate computers for each EVE client, align everything nicely, and use a hardware solution to multiply your input across all of them. And yet nothing is being automated, because everything that happens on every client is the direct result of your interaction with your input device.
Man, you're really bad at this trolling thing.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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kraken11 jensen
Californian CottonPickers
12
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:53:16 -
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Robert Caldera wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote: Nothing is being automated in a freighter gank.
Good job on avoiding the question like a pro, though.
we are talking about an isbotted freighter gank right? When you play 1 client and other 19 catalysts are automated in background, right?? Input broadcast is form of automation, this is why its explicitely illegal now (actually always was, see EULA, part 3c) and why we have this thread here.
this shows how little you know, you have proably never tryed Isb boxer. And to make this Clear. i have never ever seen an isb boxer catalyst fleet. So i dont know what this is about, propaganda to get it away? I dont know. But saying that its botting or totaly automated in background is just pure wrong. |
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