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Poje
0rizen Irregulars Sev3rance
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:38:28 -
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For me, EVE is the best MMO of all time and thats why ive been playing it for almost 8 years now!
But yesterday, i was checking to change the name of one of my alts and i noticed that it wasnt an available feature. I was very surprised since in other MMOs i played, it was.
So here are 3 features i've seen in other MMOs that would be great to have in EVE :
- Name change : Simple, be able to change the name of a toon.
- Character revamp : Change the race and sex of a toon.
- Skill respec : Be able to respec your skills! (Simple, just put all your SPs in a bank and reassign them where u want in your skills)
All those features could be available for a fee and im sure many players would be willing to pay for it.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:47:50 -
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Poje wrote:For me, EVE is the best MMO of all time and thats why ive been playing it for almost 8 years now!
But yesterday, i was checking to change the name of one of my alts and i noticed that it wasnt an available feature. I was very surprised since in other MMOs i played, it was.
So here are 3 features i've seen in other MMOs that would be great to have in EVE :
- Name change : Simple, be able to change the name of a toon.
- Character revamp : Change the race and sex of a toon.
- Skill respec : Be able to respec your skills! (Simple, just put all your SPs in a bank and reassign them where u want in your skills)
All those features could be available for a fee and im sure many players would be willing to pay for it.
Thx.
1 no to name change, people use alts enough as is to jump into corps they want to infiltrate 2 there is a character revamp, I'm flagged for one 3 this isn't wow or Diablo,if people could repec it would devalue the worth of pilots as you could instant perfect what ever you wanted at the cost of a field you aren't using but trained anyways
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elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:47:51 -
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#1: Is in account management
#2: Is in the NEX store right next to you
#3: Would be so terrible bad for EVE, I have nothing else to say
/thread
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:50:53 -
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Poje wrote:
- Name change : Simple, be able to change the name of a toon. - Skill respec : Be able to respec your skills! (Simple, just put all your SPs in a bank and reassign them where u want in your skills) Thx.
Eve is a game about making choices and living with the consequences.
you screwed me over you can't just get away and hide by changing your name
you chose to train X skills then you now know X skills you don't get to just hope around from one role to another this forces you to group up and play with others that trained skills you didn't.
Eve is not another theme park where you go around wait in a queue and ride all the pretty little line. Its a game where you chose what it is you are going to do and you live with that choice.
if you don't like that go back to WoW |
Komi Toran
Paragon Trust The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:06:12 -
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-Jumping Puzzles. GW2 has jumping puzzles. They should be implemented behind The Door.
-Killing giant rats/spiders. There are no giant rats or spiders in Eve for us to kill in some old lady's basement. If we don't enter our captains quarters at least once a month, they should become infested, and we need to clear them out.
-Swimming. Eve is space submarines. We should be able to exit our ship, exit our pods, and go scuba diving in belts.
-Achievements. You get 50 New Eden Bragging Points for mining out your 1000th rock of Veldspar.
-Instanced Dungeon Grinding. I won't be happy until I can spam Jita with "LFG 3/4 Guristas Doomsday Cannon, Logi only"
Oh dear, I seem to have gotten lost... this isn't the one line bad idea thread. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:12:01 -
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Komi Toran wrote:-J -Achievements.
Well to be fair we do have achievements they are just more hidden then before the mastery system |
Antillie Sa'Kan
Forging Industries Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:21:33 -
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This thread is going places. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:43:36 -
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Poje wrote:- Name change : Simple, be able to change the name of a toon. No. In this game, your name is your reputation (for better and worse).
Sure, you can sell the character a buy a new one... but your selling price might be higher or lower depending on how much fame or infamy you have garnered... and the character you buy can have their own set of problems which you have to live with.
Poje wrote:- Character revamp : Change the race and sex of a toon. This is purely superficial. I have no problems with this. And it seems CCP doesn't either (hint: it is already on its way).
Poje wrote:- Skill respec : Be able to respec your skills! (Simple, just put all your SPs in a bank and reassign them where u want in your skills) No. If you decided to train for something, it is because you found it useful for your needs at that moment (and you gained a benefit using them). And skills can never be useless because they can always be utilized and benefited from (you are just choosing not to).
Plus...
- the way the current skillpoint accumulation system works, you train based on attributes. What people will do is just map their characters to two things, train only the skills that gain a boost from those attributes, and then respec. People would be max training all the time and the whole point of attributes becomes meaningless.
- people who respec would keep the bulk of their SP in "reserve" (as "unallocated skillpoints") so they have the ability to "insta-train" into whatever they need at that particular moment. This removes the planning aspect of the skill system.
- the FOTM mentality should not be encouraged any more than it already is. Instead of "well, you can't fly exactly this so fly that" you will have "if you can't fly this, respec or GTFO."
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
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Posted - 2014.11.25 20:55:39 -
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Poje wrote: Name change : Simple, be able to change the name of a toon.
No
Poje wrote: Character revamp : Change the race and sex of a toon.
Exists already
Poje wrote: Skill respec : Be able to respec your skills! (Simple, just put all your SPs in a bank and reassign them where u want in your skills)
Remaps exist for attributes. I can possibly see this as an option in the future with some long timer like a year.
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Poje
0rizen Irregulars Sev3rance
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:11:39 -
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elitatwo wrote:
#1: Is in account management
#2: Is in the NEX store right next to you
#3: Would be so terrible bad for EVE, I have nothing else to say
/thread
#1 : not true, go see.
#2 : not true, u can only remodel your toon lookwise, but cant change Race or Sex.
#3 : Dont agree, since i saw in plenty of games, nothing bad can come from that.
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Mharius Skjem
Opacity Circles
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:55:41 -
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Poje wrote:For me, EVE is the best MMO of all time and thats why ive been playing it for almost 8 years now!
But yesterday, i was checking to change the name of one of my alts and i noticed that it wasnt an available feature. I was very surprised since in other MMOs i played, it was.
So here are 3 features i've seen in other MMOs that would be great to have in EVE :
- Name change : Simple, be able to change the name of a toon.
- Character revamp : Change the race and sex of a toon.
- Skill respec : Be able to respec your skills! (Simple, just put all your SPs in a bank and reassign them where u want in your skills)
All those features could be available for a fee and im sure many players would be willing to pay for it.
Thx.
What are these other mmos you talk of. I know only of eve.
A recovering btter vet, with a fresh toon and a determination to like everything that CCP does to Eve...
Don't take me too seriously though, I like to tease a bit on the forums, but that's only because I love you...
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2014.11.25 22:57:01 -
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Poje wrote:#3 : Dont agree, since i saw in plenty of games, nothing bad can come from that. Other games have a level cap and skill structure that locks you out of other professions once you choose a path. EVE doesn't. Time is the only limiting factor and that is working as intended.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:02:08 -
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Poje wrote:- Skill respec : Be able to respec your skills! (Simple, just put all your SPs in a bank and reassign them where u want in your skills).
you can do this of sorts...its called x-training.
If you look at the grand scheme of eve as I have over years you see 2 trends.
1. Support skills are universal. No matter what you do (besides dedicated trader in a station no flying a ship) support skills carry over to every ship in eve. Even in polar shifts like shield tank to armour, which I have done. My above average shied skills help armour when I run it. If better shields eats up a few shots worth of dps more....that's less damage my actual armour tank is taking for a bit of time. This has served me well as armour can drop into half assed hull tanking in drawn out slug fests. If I do this latter than the other guy....it helps out imo.
2. the patch that nerfs your go to setup today can, and will, be overridden in patches later on down the road. Trained racial cruiser 5 for a nerfed ship it will take time but at some point it will regain some if not all of its former (op) glory. |
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness
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Posted - 2014.11.25 23:57:23 -
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Poje wrote:For me, EVE is the best MMO of all time and thats why ive been playing it for almost 8 years now!
But yesterday, i was checking to change the name of one of my alts and i noticed that it wasnt an available feature. I was very surprised since in other MMOs i played, it was.
So here are 3 features i've seen in other MMOs that would be great to have in EVE :
- Name change : Simple, be able to change the name of a toon.
- Character revamp : Change the race and sex of a toon.
- Skill respec : Be able to respec your skills! (Simple, just put all your SPs in a bank and reassign them where u want in your skills)
All those features could be available for a fee and im sure many players would be willing to pay for it.
Thx.
nope.. It goes agaisnt eve concept of consequence. On a game where your reputation is the most important asset and scamming is allowed you cannot allow name changes.
Respect is menaingless.. you will eventually get all the skills you will ever need.
"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"
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Poje
0rizen Irregulars Sev3rance
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:06:16 -
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nope.. It goes agaisnt eve concept of consequence. On a game where your reputation is the most important asset and scamming is allowed you cannot allow name changes.[/quote]
To counter that, they could make available the past infos like they do for Corp history, like : "Formely known as...."
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Leonard Nimoy II
Dark Force Protectorate Special Operators Federation Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:10:35 -
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I think what he's getting at with character revamp is that it shouldn't require Aurum - and I agree. Microtransactions in a paid sub MMO? CCP plz. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:16:59 -
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Poje wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:nope.. It goes agaisnt eve concept of consequence. On a game where your reputation is the most important asset and scamming is allowed you cannot allow name changes. To counter that, they could make available the past infos like they do for Corp history, like : "Formely known as...."
This has proposed in the past. The problem lies in name recognition.
If I am leery of someone (or am told to be leery of someone), I should to be able to ID that person right away just from their name. Having to check the bio of everyone I meet just to make sure I know who they are (and by extension, what they are capable of) would be extremely tedious and time consuming... things I can't usually afford when I am hunting or being hunted by people.
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:32:37 -
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I actually don't care about the name changes. If the change were recorded in the corp history page, perhaps with a new tab, then the information is there for anyone to look for. Add in that, if done correctly, the name change wouldn't necessarily remove that character from any contact or watch lists, and it will be even easier to discover who that pilot really was.
People have been using psuedonyms since before writing was invented. Why should EvE pilots be any different. In game, if a pilot wants a 'new start' then that pilot should be allowed to do so. However, if a prospective employer/ally/enemy wants to do a background check, then a simple look at the character history will point out the pilot's past... without an API check.
Name changes would be nie for many reasons. Yes, maybe hiding from enemies or trying to infiltrate might be the boogeymen under the bed, but there are other reasons. Purchasing a character what has great skills but is named PIEFACEFREAK or some sillieness would probably be the number one reason to change ones name. "You have to live whith the consequenses with what you did!"... and yet the player in question has done nothing. Still, that's part of buying a pilot, but at least let the player have a name that means something to them.
The real reason that the name change would be a nice idea if controlled correctly, would be for plain asthetics. I know many of you don't care what you name yourselves, and quite a few of you have never even seen your ship outside the hanger. But for some, Style. Is. Everything. Allowing ship skins, and eventual repainting is a step in this direction. Allowing avatar resculpts and reposes are another. Why not the name as well--as long as the history can be followed easily.
Full resculpts (including gender) but not necessarily race, should be coming down the pipes.
The SP thing, is wrong on so many levels, and the posters befoe me have already hammered away at that silliness, that I don't need to do so again.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck
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Master Apollyon
BLACK REGIMENT
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Posted - 2014.11.26 00:51:28 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Purchasing a character what has great skills but is named PIEFACEFREAK or some sillieness would probably be the number one reason to change ones name.
Theres another reason. Know a couple of friends that started Eve just to see what this was about and created a toon with a silly name but later as they got addicted to eve wished to change the name for a more "serious" name and couldnt... |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:21:31 -
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Master Apollyon wrote:Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Purchasing a character what has great skills but is named PIEFACEFREAK or some sillieness would probably be the number one reason to change ones name. Theres another reason. Know a couple of friends that started Eve just to see what this was about and created a toon with a silly name but later as they got addicted to eve wished to change the name for a more "serious" name and couldnt...
I have a rule for this....
Does this name sound tarded up to about a week after I made it up. If yes, reroll. If no, press on. 7 days not a deal breaking reroll to me. Many games in the past I actually planned the first week to be throwaway week to see what character can do if power trained to say "level 10" and if I liked them....rerolled knowing how to train the new permanent char better. And in a weeks time you should be going man this name is just stupid.
Also have another rule, applied to life in general.
Don't make stupid names for anything that will potentially be reused again and again.
I apply this to e-mail a lot and forum subs. I have my normal names for most things. Normal meaning not offensive or stupid. One name I have for forums is the name of a mathematical model I studied at one time for example. Gets a laugh if you know statistical models, otherwise it's just another name in the forum.
edit: then I have my stupid name mail accounts for sites that say need to register to use. As I will never use the account for real...they get wtf names as I really don't care after I am in the site. |
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:22:10 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Poje wrote:Kagura Nikon wrote:nope.. It goes agaisnt eve concept of consequence. On a game where your reputation is the most important asset and scamming is allowed you cannot allow name changes. To counter that, they could make available the past infos like they do for Corp history, like : "Formely known as...." This has proposed in the past. The problem lies in name recognition. If I am leery of someone (or am told to be leery of someone), I should to be able to ID that person right away just from their name. Having to check the bio of everyone I meet just to make sure I know who they are (and by extension, what they are capable of) would be extremely tedious and time consuming... things I can't usually afford when I am hunting or being hunted by people.
I think that if you had that pilot in your contact and/or watchlists, then that would mitigate much of the "name recognition" problems.
My freighter pilot has many known gankers and their scouts in her contact lists, all labled with the moniker "A**hole Ganker" complete with a super negative rating. This is, of course, no insult intended to the player behind the gankship, but it's a personal note for me to pay attention should one of those show up in local.
If I put FOLLOWTHECODE ORDIE in my lists on one day and lable it properly, and two months later I'm scouting for my freighter and Veldspar Queen shows up in local, but has an angry red minus sign and is labled "A**hole Ganker", then I might try rerouting my freighter. I also might kill Queenie and ask questions later, but maybe Queenie was just recently purchased... maybe not. Such is EvE. So there will still be room for conflicts, choices, and consequenses.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:51:37 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:I think that if you had that pilot in your contact and/or watchlists, then that would mitigate much of the "name recognition" problems. That doesn't really work when...
- you are trying to decide whether or not you want to engage a specific player (or Fleet Commander**) that you would otherwise wish to avoid altogether. And that decision usually can't take more than a second or two.
- you have dozens of people from many different places (and all utilizing different tactics) set red for the above reason.
**NOTE: even if you see a group of people whom you know that a certain FC is affiliated with... it does not mean that they are always following that person. Many groups have different FCs with some being MUCH better than others. Many times I have seen the same fleet behave in completely different ways depending on who is running it... going from "this will be EASY" to "Jesus Christ, RUN FOR IT!"
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:14:28 -
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Poje wrote: Name change : Simple, be able to change the name of a toon. I can see allowing this once and once only for a character that is less than 1 year old. After that one change, or after the year then no way.
Poje wrote: - Character revamp : Change the race and sex of a toon. I agree with the others no, you formed a character and you have to live with it.
Poje wrote: - Skill respec : Be able to respec your skills! (Simple, just put all your SPs in a bank and reassign them where u want in your skills) NO, and by the way did I say NO already, if not then NO. You made choices in how you wanted to train your character and you have to live with them. If you want a major change then start a new character or buy one that has the skills you want.
Poje wrote: All those features could be available for a fee and im sure many players would be willing to pay for it. We do not care about what other games do, we care about EVE and in EVE these things are not allowed for a large number of reasons many of them already posted. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:14:40 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:I think that if you had that pilot in your contact and/or watchlists, then that would mitigate much of the "name recognition" problems. That doesn't really work when... - you are trying to decide whether or not you want to engage a specific player (or Fleet Commander**) that you would otherwise wish to avoid altogether. And that decision usually can't take more than a second or two.
That's partly the pilot's fault for having improper intelligence. Either the pilot needs to fire her G2 and get someone else to better prepare her pilot recognition files, or she needs to take a risk...
Quote:- you have dozens of people from many different places (and all utilizing different tactics) set red for the above reason.
Labels fix this. The notebook also helps. In a hairball, take risks...
Quote: **NOTE: even if you see a group of people whom you know that a certain FC is affiliated with... it does not mean that they are always following that person. Many groups have different FCs with some being MUCH better than others. Many times I have seen the same fleet behave in completely different ways depending on who is running it... going from "this will be EASY" to "Jesus Christ, RUN FOR IT!"
Then look for the pilots' patterns. Humans are more responsive to movement patterns than names anyway. It's how we're wired. You are more likely to see the pattern and understand that Joe Schmoe is probably leading that group faster than the reverse.
Look, I understand that in certain circumstances, an enemy's name change might mess up a pilot's finely tuned machine of target aquisition and removal. Good. Then name changes can become a weapon. We can currently rename ships to sow confusion on D-Scan for those with no time to do their homework. This is the same thing.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck
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Irya Boone
Never Surrender.
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:33:05 -
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I would say no to all of them except for the skill respec
It would be nice To Give player 1 respec but give it only after 6 month of playing , in order to Help new player who had made terrible choices in the begining because of lack of informations.
like mining , ..;rushing Battleships , big guns etc etc
CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails
.... Open that damn door !!
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Poje
0rizen Irregulars Sev3rance
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:20:15 -
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Thx guys for posting and i agree with some of your statements, but the main problem i have with players opposed to any of the features i proposed is this :
This is EVE.
Nothing i have proposed is complicated or would unbalance the game in any way, its just offering features that should be already available.
Don't forget that we already have Clones, Neural remaps, trading of Characters and buying of ingame money with RL money, lol.
Thx. |
Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:35:36 -
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Poje wrote:For me, EVE is the best MMO of all time and thats why ive been playing it for almost 8 years now!
But yesterday, i was checking to change the name of one of my alts and i noticed that it wasnt an available feature. I was very surprised since in other MMOs i played, it was.
So here are 3 features i've seen in other MMOs that would be great to have in EVE :
- Name change : Simple, be able to change the name of a toon.
- Character revamp : Change the race and sex of a toon.
- Skill respec : Be able to respec your skills! (Simple, just put all your SPs in a bank and reassign them where u want in your skills)
All those features could be available for a fee and im sure many players would be willing to pay for it.
Thx.
Deal with your decisions (1/3) and the skills in eve i like learning in rl if your good at math you can-¦t just say now i won-¦t be good at math anymore but i-¦m now better at english and now can speak russian. If you wanna a skill respec go play some other games. This feature should never, ever come to eve (expept you loose 99% of your skillpoints, would be fine with that).
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And your the ******** search feature before you post.
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Corraidhin Farsaidh
Farsaidh's Freeborn
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Posted - 2014.11.26 16:43:43 -
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Poje wrote:Thx guys for posting and i agree with some of your statements, but the main problem i have with players opposed to any of the features i proposed is this :
This is EVE.
Nothing i have proposed is complicated or would unbalance the game in any way, its just offering features that should be already available.
Don't forget that we already have Clones, Neural remaps, trading of Characters and buying of ingame money with RL money, lol.
Thx.
All of the proposals have been done to death in the forums before and shot down in roaring flames. I'm also against being able to trade characters but that's already too embedded probably... |
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
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Posted - 2014.11.26 17:54:57 -
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Sounds like the typical WoW kid response to giving Eve a go for about 2 seconds before logging off to ***** on the forums about how (in the words of the great Henry Bowers) "this bum fight ain't done right." |
DaeHan Minhyok
Multiplex Gaming The Bastion
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Posted - 2014.11.26 18:08:07 -
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Poje wrote:For me, EVE is the best MMO of all time and thats why ive been playing it for almost 8 years now!
But yesterday, i was checking to change the name of one of my alts and i noticed that it wasnt an available feature. I was very surprised since in other MMOs i played, it was.
So here are 3 features i've seen in other MMOs that would be great to have in EVE :
- Name change : Simple, be able to change the name of a toon.
- Character revamp : Change the race and sex of a toon.
- Skill respec : Be able to respec your skills! (Simple, just put all your SPs in a bank and reassign them where u want in your skills)
All those features could be available for a fee and im sure many players would be willing to pay for it.
Thx.
How could you have played this game for so long and suggest ideas this contradictory to the essence of what eve is? |
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