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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
618
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:07:27 -
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Trolling aside, guys that know, give me at least a rough estimate please - Im curious how significant this isBoxer ban will be for empire ganking? |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7286
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:08:16 -
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I'm going to encourage your continued trolling by saying it's probably over 9000.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5282
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:09:27 -
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I'd say every few of a bunch. Really problematic.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Paranoid Loyd
2800
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:10:10 -
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More than one, less than 500,000
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Marsha Mallow
1708
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:11:19 -
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x up if you are a passionate peasant farming scrub who feels violated
x
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!
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Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
111
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:14:04 -
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Lots. We are talking like persian king in 300. "Their 'catalyst' will blot out the sun!" |
Ssabat Thraxx
Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project
1027
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:28:52 -
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Eldwinn wrote:Lots. We are talking like persian king in 300. "Their 'catalyst' will blot out the sun!"
Then we shall cry in the shade?
\m/ O.o \m/
"You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17956
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:30:57 -
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Ganking happened before there was ISBoxer.. Ganking will continue after its banned.
Life.. it uh.. uh... it finds a way.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5709
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:39:21 -
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I presume that ganks will happen only there will be more people enjoying it.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
618
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:41:39 -
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ok so in short, those that know stay silent, and those that dont, troll. okay. guess will have to wait for a month after ban comes into effect and tally up the difference. |
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Paranoid Loyd
2800
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:46:52 -
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Nobody knows except CCP, it's really that simple. How could one know all or even a rough percentage of the ISBoxers that operate in highsec? If that were possible why would they share it in a thread in GD? Are you really that daft?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Syllviaa
Hole Exploitation Inc. Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:47:57 -
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Less than 1%
RIP Richard A. Butt
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5709
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:48:12 -
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I just can't figure on the metric for this. The objective of botting or IsBoxer use was stats or profit. Suicide ganking was always hit or miss in both and the motivation appeared to come from somewhere else.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
265
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:50:04 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:x up if you are a passionate peasant farming scrub who feels violated
x
Confirming that I am a violated scrub who passionately farms peasant.
....Or am I a passionate peasant farmer who feels violated scrubs.....
.....maybe I scrub violated passionate peasant farmers......
......x?
Vote Sabriz!
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Paranoid Loyd
2800
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:55:10 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I just can't figure on the metric for this. The objective of botting or IsBoxer use was stats or profit. Suicide ganking was always hit or miss in both and the motivation appeared to come from somewhere else.
How do you figure it is hit or miss? I make plenty of profit by understanding the odds and requirements to make profit, and depending on what stats you choose to create metrics from, my stats are also quite good.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10710
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:25:04 -
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It's probably an integer.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
321
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Posted - 2014.11.26 03:04:27 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It's probably an integer.
Actually there is essentially a 0% chance that it is an integer...assuming the percentage is not 0 or 100, and given the large sample size. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3742
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Posted - 2014.11.26 03:11:23 -
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I know of three people that use ISBoxer to gank.
Two of them started as a way to apply pressure to CCP to ban ISBoxer. The third started for profit.
I would estimate that the proportion of empire suicide ganks carried out by ISBox fleets is between 1% and 3%, probably closer to 1%.
What interests me is that this will dramatically increase the income made by legitimate miners.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Kaely Tanniss
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.11.26 03:46:11 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I know of three people that use ISBoxer to gank.
Two of them started as a way to apply pressure to CCP to ban ISBoxer. The third started for profit.
I would estimate that the proportion of empire suicide ganks carried out by ISBox fleets is between 1% and 3%, probably closer to 1%.
What interests me is that this will dramatically increase the income made by legitimate miners.
This is very true...besides, the majority of ISBox users are not PvPers, but rather carebears. I think it's rather ammusing that it is assumed that it is gankers who use ISBoxer..when quite the opposite is true. I see it effecting ganker very little, if at all.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Paranoid Loyd
2801
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Posted - 2014.11.26 03:59:24 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It's probably an integer. Actually there is essentially a 0% chance that it is an integer...assuming the percentage is not 0 or 100, and given the large sample size. Veers you realize he only said that because he knew you would dispute it right?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Six Beavers
new order logistics CODE.
8
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:59:08 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:It's probably an integer. Actually there is essentially a 0% chance that it is an integer...assuming the percentage is not 0 or 100, and given the large sample size.
really veers? gosh you are so smart about all things eve |
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Shadow of xXDEATHXx
1297
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:59:42 -
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I ran the math. 85%.
85% of ganks were on isboxers.
This has got to stop, you heartless bastards. |
Shalashaska Adam
Partial Safety
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:02:29 -
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An interesting question for CCP now would be, if you are ganked by what appears to be isboxer, or bombed, or whatever.
If you petition, and the culprit was indeed found to be isboxing and is warned/banned, will the victims ship be reimbursed. |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
527
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:17:02 -
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Wasn't ganking with ISBoxer already one of this gray areas that got you banned because it gives you an unfair advantage in combat? I can remember I heard something along this lines on coms once from a guy who used ISBoxer to gank once. Could be wrong about that.
Anyway, I never saw the point in that, it's much more fun to gank together with other players and that's what we do in CODE.
the Code ALWAYS wins
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5713
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Posted - 2014.11.26 08:40:17 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I just can't figure on the metric for this. The objective of botting or IsBoxer use was stats or profit. Suicide ganking was always hit or miss in both and the motivation appeared to come from somewhere else.
How do you figure it is hit or miss? I make plenty of profit by understanding the odds and requirements to make profit, and depending on what stats you choose to create metrics from, my stats are also quite good.
My premise is based on the observation that ganking is not as boring as mining and probably not as boring as incursions (those who have them down to a science anyway).
Hence there would be more people participating in ganking for the lol factor. To be profitable suicide ganking requires the cost to destroy being less than the target. You know the drill: if I put say 500 million ISK worth of stuff into a ship that takes 2 million ISK work if Catalyst to destroy, then for the player who wants green on the killboard it's a sure bet for a good gank and for the player who wants loot, the ratio stands well for at least paying for the lost ships (what with insurance no longer happening for gank loss).
What I mean by hit or miss is that it requires stupidity on part of the target to make for a profit, something CCPs "suicide ganking should not be profitable" ideal breaks on since human stupidity has no limits after all (you can only nerf something so far) but still you have to be concerned with what drops. Most players I find are hooked on certainty. It's the reason why exploration never became as popular before the most recent exploration changes because you can make big bank one day and go home with crap salvage goods the next.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
261
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Posted - 2014.11.26 09:05:58 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:I just can't figure on the metric for this. The objective of botting or IsBoxer use was stats or profit. Suicide ganking was always hit or miss in both and the motivation appeared to come from somewhere else.
How do you figure it is hit or miss? I make plenty of profit by understanding the odds and requirements to make profit, and depending on what stats you choose to create metrics from, my stats are also quite good. My premise is based on the observation that ganking is not as boring as mining and probably not as boring as incursions (those who have them down to a science anyway). Hence there would be more people participating in ganking for the lol factor. To be profitable suicide ganking requires the cost to destroy being less than the target. You know the drill: if I put say 500 million ISK worth of stuff into a ship that takes 2 million ISK work if Catalyst to destroy, then for the player who wants green on the killboard it's a sure bet for a good gank and for the player who wants loot, the ratio stands well for at least paying for the lost ships (what with insurance no longer happening for gank loss). What I mean by hit or miss is that it requires stupidity on part of the target to make for a profit, something CCPs "suicide ganking should not be profitable" ideal breaks on since human stupidity has no limits after all (you can only nerf something so far) but still you have to be concerned with what drops. Most players I find are hooked on certainty. It's the reason why exploration never became as popular before the most recent exploration changes because you can make big bank one day and go home with crap salvage goods the next.
The metric is fun. It is fun blowing up stuff.
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Agent Intrepid
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:12:20 -
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I can confirm that you don't need isboxer to suicide gank. Not unless using more than 10 gankers, manually that could be problematic. |
Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5992
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:25:44 -
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Who needs ISboxer when you have friends?
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Greg Inglis
Storm Planet
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:04:35 -
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Why would you need ISboxer anyway. Its pretty easy to coordinate yourself without it. Unless you're a chimp |
Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
144
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Posted - 2014.11.26 12:22:29 -
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I wouldn't know the exact percentages on who uses ISBoxer the most.
I would suspect the vast majority of ISBoxers will be large mining fleets.
There will be quite a smaller percentage of ISBoxers doing Incursions.
I suspect the percentage use of ISBoxer type software by suicide gankers will be relatively small compared to the above.
Most suicide gankers are fairly distinctive in their actions, portraits, bios, corp descriptions, and forum entries. Invariably each ganker will be owned by one person. ISBoxer account use is very easy to spot to be blunt. The accounts will usually all have start dates within a month of each other and sometimes within a week or days of each other. The names of the capsuleers will be very similar or of a random & boring nature. Very little if any work will have been done to make their portraits distinctive. Worst case scenario you will see them all log on like a machine gun if you have them set on your contacts list & watchlisted. They will invariably be 'AFK' most of the time as well.
It's like a factory to make, or farm, ISK and I totally support CCPs new stance on the issue and only wish they had made ANY use of ISBoxer or similar software illegal under the EULA.
Play the game properly or GTFO. |
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