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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
203
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:13:05 -
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I was thinking about plasma and whatnot while working.. Because I use a plasma torch. Anyways hybrid weapons in eve use containment shells with plasma inside. The blasters cycle this into a bolt and shoot it, the containment field dissipates and that essentially makes blasters a plasma shotgun.
Now railguns are said to fire the shell directly, while I used to think it fired the shell which shattered on impact I realized not all rail guns had a barrel, more like a blue material energy shoots out of which convinces me it's just firing the contents of the shell yet again at high velocities.
The problem I have with guns in eve is usage of ammo, projectile weapons only use 1 shell per cycle of machine guns, same with weapons having two barrels, on top of the fact artillary is apparently rocket guided, where do the rockets come from?
The medium dual 250mm railguns are using twin small guns but for convenience it uses medium charges. The weapons all list they use 1 charge per cycle, so maybe CCP intended to use multiple shells for the autocanons. It sure looks like they fire a few each cycle. I don't think if it would be hard to change.
Rockets also seem to be the only weapon with a reload animation.
CCP - Outpost code is scary.
CCP Greyscale - Starbases - They need to look @#$%ing awesome, and people need to want them and
want to be around them and have them and use them and like them and want them and stuff.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7286
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:16:00 -
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Farkin' magnets, how do they work?
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Paranoid Loyd
2800
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:17:50 -
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Cool story bro, was there a point to your post?
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5283
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:18:25 -
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I just assume all projectile weapons come in a multi-morph package that gets assemble into one or more rounds depending on the turrets they are planned to be fired from. Considering Minmatar, they probably just come as piles of scrap they shovel into the chamber and hope it explodes into the right direction.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Eldwinn
SomeWhat SophiSticateD Shadow Cartel
111
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:18:31 -
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Wizard talk sir. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak8Bh9Zka50 |
Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
203
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:23:49 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Cool story bro, was there a point to your post?
I intended for it to be a much longer post asking specific questions and the technologies related to real technologies we have now, but then I lost interest and just posted a bunch about gun stuff.
One other topic is asking how shields are supposed to work. I couldn't figure out much more than the upgraded shields on the normandy in mass effect rotate. It's dangerous to the ship inside if some shield emitters go out, but reverts to a static shield if such a thing happens. How that's supposed to work is basically if you had your own personal ninja batting away projectiles.
Spinning shields bat away projectiles. I unno.
Interesting to note the amarr had a superweapon where enemy ships would be crushed by their own shields, minmatar and rouge drones put an end to that one though.
CCP - Outpost code is scary.
CCP Greyscale - Starbases - They need to look @#$%ing awesome, and people need to want them and
want to be around them and have them and use them and like them and want them and stuff.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17956
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:29:42 -
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Magic.
You put magic in one end, do some things, and then magic comes out the other end. Its how everything works in Eve.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Dani Dusette
Isogen 5
3250
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:30:55 -
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Try EVE Fiction forum.
You'll find lore-minded people often discussing technicalities there and occasional Dev responses.
Mizhir: "Dani Dusette, Best Dusette"
Samoth Egnoled: "Make sure you turn yourself often and bathe in your own juices."
ISD Ezwal: "Might I inform you that I am as real as it gets?"
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45thtiger 0109
AL3XAND3R.
114
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:37:57 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:I was thinking about plasma and whatnot while working.. Because I use a plasma torch. Anyways hybrid weapons in eve use containment shells with plasma inside. The blasters cycle this into a bolt and shoot it, the containment field dissipates and that essentially makes blasters a plasma shotgun.
Now railguns are said to fire the shell directly, while I used to think it fired the shell which shattered on impact I realized not all rail guns had a barrel, more like a blue material energy shoots out of which convinces me it's just firing the contents of the shell yet again at high velocities.
The problem I have with guns in eve is usage of ammo, projectile weapons only use 1 shell per cycle of machine guns, same with weapons having two barrels, on top of the fact artillary is apparently rocket guided, where do the rockets come from?
The medium dual 250mm railguns are using twin small guns but for convenience it uses medium charges. The weapons all list they use 1 charge per cycle, so maybe CCP intended to use multiple shells for the autocanons. It sure looks like they fire a few each cycle. I don't think if it would be hard to change.
Rockets also seem to be the only weapon with a reload animation.
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**You Have to take the good with the bad
and the bad with the good.
Welcome to EvE OnLiNe**
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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
203
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:41:14 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Magic.
You put magic in one end, do some things, and then magic comes out the other end. Its how everything works in Eve.
Oh then there is ore compression and refining. The sizes and how THAT works. I would like to know how that works... Minerals are far bigger than the compressed ore they come from.
CCP - Outpost code is scary.
CCP Greyscale - Starbases - They need to look @#$%ing awesome, and people need to want them and
want to be around them and have them and use them and like them and want them and stuff.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5283
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:42:25 -
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Shields: I think they are a kind of chaff suspended in a flowing magnetic field that uses patterns, harmonics and refractions to disperse and deflect incoming projectiles/plasma/lasers.
Hybrids: Blasters use 4 state plasma while railguns shoot the whole charge including the suspended ions in the core as kind of impact warhead.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
203
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:45:27 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Shields: I think they are a kind of chaff suspended in a flowing magnetic field that uses patterns, harmonics and refractions to disperse and deflect incoming projectiles/plasma/lasers.
Hybrids: Blasters use 4 state plasma while railguns shoot the whole charge including the suspended ions in the core as kind of impact warhead.
Problem with the railguns is that like I said, a lot of the railguns don't have barrels, the shot just comes out of the tips, or blue material. One of the large railguns doesn't even have the common blue material. So how would anything but the contents be shot?
CCP - Outpost code is scary.
CCP Greyscale - Starbases - They need to look @#$%ing awesome, and people need to want them and
want to be around them and have them and use them and like them and want them and stuff.
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Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5284
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:49:31 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Problem with the railguns is that like I said, a lot of the railguns don't have barrels, the shot just comes out of the tips, or blue material. One of the large railguns doesn't even have the common blue material. So how would anything but the contents be shot? A railgun uses a magnetic field to accelerate the charge, so no need for a barrel.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Hal Morsh
Exodus Mining Corp
203
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:52:48 -
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Abrazzar wrote:Hal Morsh wrote:Problem with the railguns is that like I said, a lot of the railguns don't have barrels, the shot just comes out of the tips, or blue material. One of the large railguns doesn't even have the common blue material. So how would anything but the contents be shot? A railgun uses a magnetic field to accelerate the charge, so no need for a barrel.
I know that, but the charge has to eject somewhere. It just poofs out of solid objects unfortunately, and CCP made sure the effects were aligned with the barrels on guns, or rails in this case. Gotta look at the railgun models to see.
I went through the store at one point just clicking the images to see what they looked like.
CCP - Outpost code is scary.
CCP Greyscale - Starbases - They need to look @#$%ing awesome, and people need to want them and
want to be around them and have them and use them and like them and want them and stuff.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
17956
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Posted - 2014.11.26 01:59:46 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Magic.
You put magic in one end, do some things, and then magic comes out the other end. Its how everything works in Eve.
Oh then there is ore compression and refining. The sizes and how THAT works. I would like to know how that works... Minerals are far bigger than the compressed ore they come from.
Magic. Hal, we covered this already.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
805
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:04:54 -
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The problem is that you can only see the external part of the railgun. What you don't see is the unicorn backed up to the weapon port and gorging itself on baked beans. |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
265
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:12:52 -
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Take a neon light tube and launch it from a slingshot.
Congratulations. You just fired a plasma round.
Vote Sabriz!
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Harrison Tato
Yamato Holdings
197
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:27:18 -
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I just don't want to be the guy who get the **** detail sitting in a hanger with a bathtub full of CLP and a bunch of old bed spreads cleaning 425mm Autocannons. |
Ulfric Aideran
Angels of Blood and Fury The Methodical Alliance
1
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:29:17 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Problem with the railguns is that like I said, a lot of the railguns don't have barrels, the shot just comes out of the tips, or blue material. One of the large railguns doesn't even have the common blue material. So how would anything but the contents be shot?
Railguns don't really need barrels. The acceleration comes from a pair of rails connected to a power supply. The projectile completes the circuit and electromagnetic forces propel it forward. The colored beam could be incandescence from the casing since it would heat up from all that current flowing through. More likely, though, it's a visual effect the devs came up with so that it could be easily recognized.
That said, the guns could use some updated models and animations. |
Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2014.11.26 02:39:21 -
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Gauss Riffles!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coilgun
So this guy named Gauss figured out the basic principle of hurling metal objects at high speed with magnets! EVE, being the science fiction universe we all know and love, uses Gauss Cannons as the Caldari and Gallente sub-racial weapons! Only instead of coils, we use rails! Refer to Dust 514 for more details on actual guns!
The more you know! |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3747
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Posted - 2014.11.26 04:01:26 -
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Plasma is a useful form of http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AppliedPhlebotinum in the entire scifi genre.
Because it's what the Sun's corona is made of, it's just used as a synonym for 'hot, dangerous burny thingy'.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
269
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Posted - 2014.11.26 04:11:29 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:'hot, dangerous burny thingy'.
Is that in any way related to wibbley, wobbley, timey-wimey "stuff"?
Vote Sabriz!
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7296
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Posted - 2014.11.26 04:20:56 -
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Ned Thomas wrote:Sabriz Adoudel wrote:'hot, dangerous burny thingy'. Is that in any way related to wibbley, wobbley, timey-wimey "stuff"?
More like a wingy bit.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Omar Alharazaad
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
810
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Posted - 2014.11.26 04:46:35 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote: 'hot, dangerous burny thingy'. Hey now, can we leave my ex out of this? |
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
22
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Posted - 2014.11.26 04:54:50 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:I was thinking about plasma and whatnot while working.. Because I use a plasma torch. Anyways hybrid weapons in eve use containment shells with plasma inside. The blasters cycle this into a bolt and shoot it, the containment field dissipates and that essentially makes blasters a plasma shotgun.
Now railguns are said to fire the shell directly, while I used to think it fired the shell which shattered on impact I realized not all rail guns had a barrel, more like a blue material energy shoots out of which convinces me it's just firing the contents of the shell yet again at high velocities.
The problem I have with guns in eve is usage of ammo, projectile weapons only use 1 shell per cycle of machine guns, same with weapons having two barrels, on top of the fact artillary is apparently rocket guided, where do the rockets come from?
The medium dual 250mm railguns are using twin small guns but for convenience it uses medium charges. The weapons all list they use 1 charge per cycle, so maybe CCP intended to use multiple shells for the autocanons. It sure looks like they fire a few each cycle. I don't think if it would be hard to change.
Rockets also seem to be the only weapon with a reload animation.
A: You're overthinking the weapons models. None of those could actually function as a railgun. The 200mm and 250mm could maybe work as a coilgun (Gauss gun), emphasis on maybe.
B: I agree with Abrazzar in that, each 'round' is probably a pack of ammunition. Your ship's computer most likely simplifies it for you.
C: Artillery is rocket assisted. The rockets are... Not in the projectile. I had always assumed that the 'rocket-assisted' part of the artillery cannons was an additional charge that was expended just after the primary charge (in the casing) fired, and that would increase the amount of gas exploding out of the barrel, and thus, putting more force on the projectile. In this case it isn't really being 'rocket-assisted', but it's the closest concept I can think of, unless of course the rockets ARE actually in the unified Projectile Ammo. I assume it's just a case of inconsistent lore, like pretty much everything you queried about.
.....
Final note: all of these are a case of making the weapons visually different. I don't see how the Dual 150mm would function as any type of kinetic projectile weapon, but it does. And it's OK, because EVE isn't a real-life simulator. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1690
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Posted - 2014.11.26 05:51:21 -
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Doc Fury wrote: Farkin' magnets, how do they work?
The material blocks the ambient charge field coming at it from all directions. The magnetic field is essentially a shadow. |
Jarod Garamonde
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
2258
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Posted - 2014.11.26 06:32:18 -
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Don't question it. Just don't.
That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...
[#savethelance]
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Elsa Hayes
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:20:14 -
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Why do you try to apply logic and real science to EvE when:
Ships in Eve move more like submarines in some kind of syrup... Space morphing of ammo and cargo.... Projectiles passing through objects if they are not the target i.e fleet blobs primary shooting single targets.... Bumping with no damage... etc.... etc... etc...
It-¦s a game, everything is programmers vodoo and game magic, like it or not!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5713
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Posted - 2014.11.26 07:43:43 -
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Trivia:
What did they call Photon Torpedos before they were calling them Photon Torpedos.
Those of you who used rotary phones as kids might know this.
(Those of you who don't know what a rotary phone is go get your diapers changed and google it).
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Remiel Pollard
Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds
5992
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Posted - 2014.11.26 11:16:46 -
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How do they work?
Who cares? Just give me my Enyo, my Nanite Paste and my Exile boosters and point me at something to shoot.
HEIL SANSHA!!!
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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