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Anslo
Scope Works The Blacklist.
22644
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Posted - 2014.11.28 19:57:22 -
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Oh for the love of the Ten people, IT'S FAKE. We got more pressing, credible **** to spend time on.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Frenjo Borkstar
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.11.28 21:44:54 -
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Deceiver's Echo wrote:Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Wait... The three parties? Takmahl, Talocan, and Yan Jung? Or... Are the Jove involved? No. Sleepers, Talocan and Yan Jung. Evidence follows: Quote:We are old ones. We are one of three, who were two against one. Using available information this would refer to Talocan and Sleepers. Evidence that supports this is Sleeper ruins alongside Talocan ruins. Third society would have to be the Yan Jung based on their presence in the cluster long before the Takmahl. Quote:- Which 3 parties are being referenced? Bloodlines? political parties? philosophical groups or minds? Military sides? - To which party does this entity belong to? the one that stood alone or the other side? - More information is available but not here? Where is here? First answered above. Second is answered within the text. The inference is that this is from the Sleepers, or at least what we call the Sleepers. Third question is not answerable given current information. Further; you are ignoring the vital information provided. >>"Long time ago we were one with fifth major race of this cluster, Jove. We are "the lost ones"." Scientists have already theorized that the Sleepers are ancestors of the Jove. If this is from the Sleepers, it is confirmation of that theory. I am not convinced that this communication is authentic. Unless other evidence can be provided I shall consider it as a hoax, though I will gladly attempt further communication.
If this is true, then this must relate to the current events in Jove space, it could possibly threaten them somehow, so they need to come to us? Increasing reports of Site One being unsafe, which I haven't been able to confirm. I am currently searching for a CONCORD rep who I can talk to based on this information. If anybody has the name of a CONCORD rep, please hand it over.
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Deceiver's Echo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
16
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:02:15 -
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Quote:If this is true, then this must relate to the current events in Jove space, it could possibly threaten them somehow, so they need to come to us? That is an assumption that is not supported by facts.
Starting an analysis with an initial conceit does not mean that the conceit is fact. I believe this is a hoax. A well researched hoax.
What I think of the entire thing if the initial conceit is that this is fake: -It would not make sense to make a threat to cease activity without naming the offending activity. -The wording is atypical. -The similarities to the Hilen Tukoss messages point to the final message as a basis for emulation. The final message has been suggested as being Hilen Tukoss, and not the previous messages which seemed more artificial in nature. -If this "Sleeper" intended to speak to humanity, and commandeered a clone or hacked fluid router access, why then does it communicate in an encoded format? -If the encoded format is a clue to the identity, why use the Arek'Jaalan list as it's means of contact (or whatever means was used prior)?
What this points to is a hoax in order to further the personal goals of an individual.
Quote:Increasing reports of Site One being unsafe, which I haven't been able to confirm. Site One is safe. I spent the last few days there and observed no hostile activity. |
Unit XS365BT
Unit Commune Celestial Imperative
186
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Posted - 2014.11.28 22:56:57 -
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We would note that the message sent by the being 'Anoikis Entity' was received approximately 7 hours prior to the initial observation of the Bright Star.
If a falsehood, the timing of this message seems convenient.
We Return.
Unit XS365BT.
Designated Communications Officer.
Unit Commune.
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Joanne Breau
Sleeper Slumber Party Test Alliance Please Ignore
2
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Posted - 2014.11.28 23:17:45 -
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Unit XS365BT wrote:We would note that the message sent by the being 'Anoikis Entity' was received approximately 7 hours prior to the initial observation of the Bright Star.
If a falsehood, the timing of this message seems convenient.
We Return.
Considering we were already seeing many signs of unusual Sleeper activity at the time, the hoaxer probably felt it'd be a good time to start his joke. The second message is just as grammatically and semantically terrible as the first. I wouldn't say this hoax is even well researched as someone else said. None of these messages bring information that couldn't be gathered from general Learning Codexes, and some of it was discovered by the Arek'jaalan project. Just a kid with time on their hands |
Deceiver's Echo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2014.11.28 23:21:26 -
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Unit XS365BT wrote:We would note that the message sent by the being 'Anoikis Entity' was received approximately 7 hours prior to the initial observation of the Bright Star.
If a falsehood, the timing of this message seems convenient.
We Return. The timing is coincidental. It has no specific warnings. It does not speak of any lights appearing. It is a series of events that some are attempting to link together out of a need for there to be a connection.
It is within our very nature to look for connections and to attempt to make sense of the world through those connections. I understand the need to see a connection here, but in this case we find an example of someone who knows enough about the Capsuleer community to attempt this hoax, and knows enough about the Sleeper mysteries to bluff their way through an initial contact.
Unless I see more--for example, this individual showing up with a small fleet of Sleeper drones in tow in Yulai for me to personally fly out and see--I probably will not believe it.
If more people were skeptical of these kinds of things the cluster would be a much more relaxed and casual place, non?
For now I think my analysis of these communications is at an end. As much as I want there to be something more to this, I have been given nothing that indicates authenticity.
I think I'll go look for my paints now. I feel the need to paint. Make something pretty after this mess, non? |
Frenjo Borkstar
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.11.29 00:02:43 -
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Deceiver's Echo wrote:[quote] Site One is safe. I spent the last few days there and observed no hostile activity.
I confirm this also, I've been there several times, but I don't believe this is a falsehood, if it is, the timing's impeccable.
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Miko Jin
University of Caille Gallente Federation
126
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Posted - 2014.11.29 00:08:17 -
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Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Deceiver's Echo wrote:[quote] Site One is safe. I spent the last few days there and observed no hostile activity. I confirm this also, I've been there several times, but I don't believe this is a falsehood, if it is, the timing's impeccable.
The Jove are restless of the sleepers lack of dominance and have awakened the AI. |
Frenjo Borkstar
Viziam Amarr Empire
7
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Posted - 2014.11.29 00:12:37 -
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Miko Jin wrote:Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Deceiver's Echo wrote:[quote] Site One is safe. I spent the last few days there and observed no hostile activity. I confirm this also, I've been there several times, but I don't believe this is a falsehood, if it is, the timing's impeccable. The Jove are restless of the sleepers lack of dominance and have awakened the AI.
The Jove are doing nothing about it, and I still can't get in contact with my associate at the DED, but I'll keep trying. I've taken more images of the bright star, and they can be found here. It's definitely grown in size. This is deeply worrying still.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1466
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Posted - 2014.11.29 14:50:57 -
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Gallenteans allows too much to their students. Such letters could be considered a terrorism. |
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Taraki Orani
BERSA Shipping Trading and Mining Co.
7
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Posted - 2014.11.29 15:09:23 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Gallenteans allows too much to their students. Such letters could be considered a terrorism.
Hearing this from a true dictator, or simply from another peon of Heth...
What is your "opinion" then, considering it is still yours but not "his" |
Eojek
Starlight Moly
8
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Posted - 2014.11.29 21:31:12 -
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I believe this message has the following meaning.
The sleepers are a collective conciousness and the drones a means by which the Sleepers affect the physical world. As the capsulier (egger) community has continually been assaulting the Sleeper's personal property, we can expect payback.
If the Sleepers would formally contact the various alliances and major empires, they would likely have fewer problems with having their ships torn to shreds and their computer networks infiltrated.
It is likely Sanshas nation was attacked by the Sleepers themselves. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1467
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Posted - 2014.11.30 00:05:57 -
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If you tell alliances, that the sleepers are even "alive sentient beings, who are asking you to stop", and at the same time represent the source of most wanted resources in the cluster, do you really think they will stop?
And why do you think they have collective consciousness? As far as I know the only collective consciousness are Sansha. In order to find out which consciousness Sleepers have, is it shared, collective or individual, we need to find actually conscious Sleeper. All what we are seeing is automated drones. |
Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
36
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Posted - 2014.11.30 00:26:39 -
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In the past the Sleepers have exhibited anomalous patterns and behavior which goes far beyond "automated drones." Just two years ago, for example, Awakened Infomorph was tracked to a Class-6 wormhole controlled by the Blazing Angels alliance. Soon after a mining operation was overrun by Sleepers emerging from an undetected spatial rift, to such a extent and in such numbers that Blazing Angels' mining crew had to call for capship support.
The same "Awakened Infomorph" had earlier 'teleported' ships through space in the New Caldari system without warning or opportunity for counter-action.
To call them "automated drones" in the face of such spontaneous, unexpected, and potentially lethal behavior does a great discredit to this potential enemy - if the ultimatum extended by Anoikis Entity is to be believed.
Commander S. "Old Man" Baxter, CN (ret.)
Chief Archivist, The Synenose Accord
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Deceiver's Echo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2014.11.30 01:13:40 -
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Cmdr Baxter:
The message, if not a hoax, is a distraction.
-Awakened Infomorph may be the instigator if the aberrant behavior seen in the earlier incident. -Short range jump technology is no longer a mystery in New Eden. -Sleeper Drones are in fact automated. Whether they are directed by conscious will or not is the question. -There are other events happening in New Eden and further information slowly being released to Capsuleers that should be looked at in greater detail.
We can't change anything in regards to this message. It either presents an opportunity for further learning or it does not. Without the ability to properly verify the entity's claims, say from an announcement by CONCORD or similar authority, I will conclude it is a hoax and treat it as such. There are no actionable demands, no specific credible threats presented. |
Cmdr Baxter
The Synenose Accord Celestial Imperative
36
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Posted - 2014.11.30 02:13:54 -
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Ah yes. The new short range micro-warp systems that debuted in my absence. However the reports SYNE received suggested that Awakened Informorph was able to move other ships - not their own - in the blink-of-an-eye while piloting a shuttlecraft.
Commander S. "Old Man" Baxter, CN (ret.)
Chief Archivist, The Synenose Accord
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Deceiver's Echo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
17
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Posted - 2014.11.30 02:44:29 -
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Cmdr Baxter wrote:Ah yes. The new short range micro-warp systems that debuted in my absence. However the reports SYNE received suggested that Awakened Informorph was able to move other ships - not their own - in the blink-of-an-eye while piloting a shuttlecraft. I saw an old Shaman make a shuttle disappear and reappear a hundred feet away when I was a child. I asked him if he really had magic, and he smiled.
He said, "What do you think, little one?"
I told him he was very good at misdirection. He winked, and patted me on a shoulder, I don't remember which one. "With enough practice, one day you'll have magic too."
That's the thing about a magic trick; it's just a trick. If it doesn't make sense at first glance, you're being deceived.
A shuttle, you see, does not have this kind of technology. Either a falsehood was said or it was not technology aboard the shuttle. I wouldn't doubt the shuttle and the pilot may have been part of a targeting system. So, your Awakened Infomorph is doing something that doesn't make sense. You are being deceived.
Deception is something I know very well. |
3ll3
Aliastra Gallente Federation
26
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Posted - 2014.11.30 05:00:55 -
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Interesting though insignificant as a true threat considering the sheer scale of power required to deliver on such a threat, even that of Jove would be hard pressed inspite of it's phenomenally advanced technologies to perform such a feat. Nay I feel after logical deduction with the provided facts from the transmission, that this must be as Ms Kim put it; and I don't often find myself agreeing with the good lady that often. That this is and i do quote:
Quote:fake, bogus. Someone's joke
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Eojek
Starlight Moly
8
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Posted - 2014.11.30 16:37:48 -
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Reply to Kim:
I do not believe that the various alliances assault on Sleepers will subside anytime soon but I contemplate why the Sleepers neglected a critically thought out diplomatic solution. Verbal warnings may only be to satisfy their own maxim of giving fair warning. If the Sleepers were serious about bringing an end to the overwhelming destruction of their property, like the Jove (who recognize the reality of capsuliers), the Sleepers would aggressively pursue diplomacy. It is also possible that their culture prefers force over diplomacy, or that diplomacy has been calculated as the least effective means of attaining their collective's goals.
This is also pure speculation based off a few sentences. The one claiming to be of the Sleepers used the term collective. My first impulse would be collective consciousness but after further thought, this may be a social reference in that their society works as a collective while individuals maintain their own independent personalities but work with others for a common purpose.
I wonder what happened to those who refused to enter those cryogenic tubes and hook their minds up to the sleeper's neural network. |
Zecthah Trees'ent
Ambiguous Endeavor
33
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Posted - 2014.12.01 04:24:26 -
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I'm pretty convinced this is a hoax, though I am waiting for Deceiver's Echo to get another reply. From what I can tell everything that has been said by this Anoikis Entity can be easily verified as contextually accurate by a little research that anyone can do.
Another reason I don't believe this is a message has anything to worry about is because I don't think that sleepers would bother with a diplomatic solution, being machines. Computer logic is a simple thing. As soon as the first contact was made and outside entities were deemed to be hostile there would be a widespread campaign to neutralize said threat, us. They wouldn't sit back, silent, and watch as their fleets are destroyed and networks hacked by the thousands before making some contact if they were interested in a peaceful solution. It's all about the continued survival of the 'collective'.
Then again, perhaps that was their original intention but they concluded the probability of victory was too low against what would become the combined effort of the empires and capsuleers. If that was the case I do not believe them to be stupid enough to make contact using a source that was questionable. It would be an easily verified entity representing them that wouldn't leave more questions than answers. |
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Deceiver's Echo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
23
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Posted - 2014.12.01 04:39:58 -
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Zecthah Trees'ent wrote:I'm pretty convinced this is a hoax, though I am waiting for Deceiver's Echo to get another reply. There has been no reply. I am certain this is a hoax. |
Sakul Aubaris
IX Legio Hispana Aquila Fidelas Constans
3
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Posted - 2014.12.10 10:38:52 -
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I think this message has to be remembered now, while sleeper drones roaming through known space, scanning everything for informations.
They allready told us, that they will strike us, its just a matter of time.
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
5098
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:47:53 -
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I've had Drop hallucinations more convincing than this tripe.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Joanne Breau
Sleeper Slumber Party Test Alliance Please Ignore
8
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Posted - 2014.12.10 14:04:34 -
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Sakul Aubaris wrote:I think this message has to be remembered now, while sleeper drones roaming through known space, scanning everything for informations.
They allready told us, that they will strike us, its just a matter of time.
Interesting how your grammar and sentence structuring are similar to that of "Anoikis Entity". |
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