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CCP Lebowski
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:13:35 -
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Afternoon perfection passionate pilots!
This thread is for feedback and issue reporting on a small change team Five 0 have done for Rhea to the way joining a corporation works.
Until this change the process for joining a Corporation has been as follows: 1. Character applies to corporation. 2. A corp member with appropriate roles invites player to join. 3. Character accepts invite. 4. The Character is entered into the corp.
With this change implemented the above functionality still applies but a second method is now available: 1. A corp member with appropriate roles invites player to join. 2. Character accepts invite. 3. The Character is entered into the corp.
Finer Details The option to invite a player is available anyone who has the roles required to perform step 2 of the previous process, and is visible in the actions menu (right click menu or menu in top left of show info window) for any invitable character. In all other aspects this feature work identically to the previous functionality. Players should not be able to receive an invitation from a corp when they previously have an open invitation or from a corp they are already a member of.
As usual, I will update this thread with a list of known issues.
Happy testing!
CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/ccp_lebowski
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Kaladr
Eventually Consistent
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:23:37 -
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Would CSPA still be in play to panelize invite spamming?
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
7178
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:26:05 -
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Yeaaay!
So does this signal the start of Corp mechanic overhauls or was this just something found to have an expedient fix?
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Harrigan VonStudly
Osmosis Inc The Bastion
108
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:26:31 -
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How will "invite" spamming during fleet ops/fighting be controlled? Because you know it's going to happen |
Sugar Kyle
Snuff Box Snuffed Out
801
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:29:02 -
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There is a block invite toggle?
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Gaia Ma'chello
V.I.C.E.
112
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:35:33 -
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I better have an auto-decline. I'd hate to be in a fleet, and get spammed with invites from dozens of random alt corps set up by the enemy, just for the purpose of spamming. |
Aethlyn
EVE University Ivy League
251
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:39:53 -
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Gaia Ma'chello wrote:I better have an auto-decline. I'd hate to be in a fleet, and get spammed with invites from dozens of random alt corps set up by the enemy, just for the purpose of spamming.
You probably still can't invite people while in space, so the popup wouldn't appear unless you're docked. Also CCP could still punish such disruptive behavior as it's clearly not meant to be used that way.
I like the change, although I probably won't be using it for quite some time. But probably a nice addition, also to those requiring some kind of out-of-game application as well. You'd no longer have to sign up twice and could simply wait for an invite or decline.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1443
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:42:42 -
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Nice!
But you should consider changing the current application process so that half of my newbies don't withdraw their app' by mistake, without even realizing it.
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ArchAngael
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
14
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:47:18 -
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Sugar Kyle wrote:There is a block invite toggle?
^ This - with this functionality included, I love the change. Being able to block invites is critical though. Even if there is no popup, the notifications spam would be annoying from predatory or opportunistic open recruiting corps.
Recruiter for Supreme Mathematics (affiliated with Stay Frosty)
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Wrik Hoover
Hoover Inc. Pandemic Legion
98
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:48:50 -
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DYS0N thanks you! |
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CCP Lebowski
C C P C C P Alliance
355
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:49:00 -
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As it currently stands there is no auto-decline option for this feature. It is however, entirely tied in with the notification system, meaning that its easy to limit the amount of spam you can receive from this (For example you can stop corp invites appearing at all, or limit the notification stack size so that only 1 or 2 could appear at once.)
Even if you didn't do that, the notification system is reasonably unobtrusive and is not going to get in the way of a fleet fight.
CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/ccp_lebowski
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Manic Velocity
Scout's Regiment
89
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:49:28 -
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Like others, I worry about invite-spam. I'm sure we've all experienced it in other games and it can be very annoying.
I've always liked the current system of applying, because it puts the onus on the applicant to seek out the corp that best suits them.
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@manicvelocity
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CCP Lebowski
C C P C C P Alliance
355
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Posted - 2014.12.01 16:50:43 -
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Altrue wrote:Nice!
But you should consider changing the current application process so that half of my newbies don't withdraw their app' by mistake, without even realizing it. You're going to have to be more specific about exactly what the problem is. I'm happy to look into it though!
CCP Lebowski | EVE Quality Assurance | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/ccp_lebowski
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Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1606
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Posted - 2014.12.01 17:06:12 -
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Invitations won't work on people in player corps that have roles at that moment ?
Akrasjel Lanate
General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6494
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Posted - 2014.12.01 17:35:14 -
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Lebowski; would this be an appropriate time to address the 'invisible corpmembers' wardec method? This allows one-day-old alts to generate wardecs, invite people to corp, and then log off-- allowing the invisible corpmembers to accept the invite only when a juicy target presents itself, eliminating the utility of scouts, watchlists, or even the possibility of trying to hunt wardeccers. In brief, it negates virtually all risk involved in wardeccing.
Something like a 30 minute non-aggression timer for before shenanigans would blunt this tactic.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Ser Ganglion
SG Investigation Inc.
11
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Posted - 2014.12.01 17:42:26 -
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I'd like to see, that the char name who initiates the new invitation process is visible for the recipient. Fair enough to handle any spam issue.
Maybe it's already planned in this way? |
Grookshank
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
34
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Posted - 2014.12.01 18:58:35 -
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Please no invite spam option.
CSPA charges is not the solution, because it applies to other convos too.
A seperate ticker to turn it off? Why implement a function that requires an option to disable it?
Please for the love of god, no! |
Arkon Olacar
Bearded BattleBears Brave Collective
454
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Posted - 2014.12.01 19:15:51 -
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This seems completely unnecessary
Warping to zero
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Kossaw
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
104
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Posted - 2014.12.01 19:21:17 -
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Sorry, this "little thing" adds nothing except the ability to invite spam. Its great to hear that you're working on the corp interface, but please remove this feature ASAP as it is simply going to be abused.
WTB : An image in my signature
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1598
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Posted - 2014.12.01 19:22:07 -
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If this is tied to the notification system it will not be a popup in the middle of the screen like a convo request. You can turn off the notification even appearing if you choose. Why would spam be a problem for this?
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Kossaw
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
104
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Posted - 2014.12.01 19:39:27 -
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Zappity wrote:If this is tied to the notification system it will not be a popup in the middle of the screen like a convo request. You can turn off the notification even appearing if you choose. Why would spam be a problem for this?
"OK OK ... Everybody in fleet, spam invite this guy now, keep doing it ....."
"Hey, I just created this great new feature for my Jita spam bot .... It invites everyone from local every 30 seconds"
"Hey, I know you've only been in this game for 30 seconds but join my great new mining corp. you'll be my first member if you accept. No no we don't have war decs "
1. set corp tax to 100 % 2. spam invites in local 3. ???? 4. Profit !
Im sure you can think of a few others ....
WTB : An image in my signature
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4349
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Posted - 2014.12.01 19:43:09 -
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Kossaw wrote:Zappity wrote:If this is tied to the notification system it will not be a popup in the middle of the screen like a convo request. You can turn off the notification even appearing if you choose. Why would spam be a problem for this? "OK OK ... Everybody in fleet, spam invite this guy now, keep doing it ....." "Hey, I just created this great new feature for my Jita spam bot .... It invites everyone from local every 30 seconds" "Hey, I know you've only been in this game for 30 seconds but join my great new mining corp. you'll be my first member if you accept. No no we don't have war decs " 1. set corp tax to 100 % 2. spam invites in local 3. ???? 4. Profit ! Im sure you can think of a few others ....
At which point, bans start going out.
Convo invite spam is bannable.
And it's not like everyone in the corp has the ability to invite people into the corporation.
Woo! CSM 9!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Anna niedostepny
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
9
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Posted - 2014.12.01 20:00:38 -
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CCP Lebowski wrote:Afternoon perfection passionate pilots!
This thread is for feedback and issue reporting on a small change team Five 0 have done for Rhea to the way joining a corporation works.
Until this change the process for joining a Corporation has been as follows: 1. Character applies to corporation. 2. A corp member with appropriate roles invites player to join. 3. Character accepts invite. 4. The Character is entered into the corp.
With this change implemented the above functionality still applies but a second method is now available: 1. A corp member with appropriate roles invites player to join. 2. Character accepts invite. 3. The Character is entered into the corp.
Finer Details The option to invite a player is available anyone who has the roles required to perform step 2 of the previous process, and is visible in the actions menu (right click menu or menu in top left of show info window) for any invitable character. In all other aspects this feature work identically to the previous functionality. Players should not be able to receive an invitation from a corp when they previously have an open invitation or from a corp they are already a member of.
TL:DR: Corporations can now directly invite Capsuleers.
As usual, I will update this thread with a list of known issues.
Happy testing!
So with this change can you think of adding who invited/accepted application to the player joined corporation notification sent to the corp? It is a very simple change while you guys are looking at corp recruitment.
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Zappity
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
1598
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Posted - 2014.12.01 20:05:38 -
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Kossaw wrote:Zappity wrote:If this is tied to the notification system it will not be a popup in the middle of the screen like a convo request. You can turn off the notification even appearing if you choose. Why would spam be a problem for this? "OK OK ... Everybody in fleet, spam invite this guy now, keep doing it ....." "Hey, I just created this great new feature for my Jita spam bot .... It invites everyone from local every 30 seconds" "Hey, I know you've only been in this game for 30 seconds but join my great new mining corp. you'll be my first member if you accept. No no we don't have war decs " 1. set corp tax to 100 % 2. spam invites in local 3. ???? 4. Profit ! Im sure you can think of a few others .... #2 and #3 have nothing to do with whether you can block invites. #1 and all the others can be blocked by the notification system just as effectively as a specific option. Go into the settings and make them invisible.
You are arguing against the feature itself, not the notification aspect.
Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec.
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Aram Kachaturian
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
136
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Posted - 2014.12.01 20:13:56 -
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Amazing changes as always, thanks CCP Fozzie.
Note: add a golden armor and a sword on the NEStore plz
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Masao Kurata
Z List
165
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Posted - 2014.12.01 20:22:03 -
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No rate limitation, blocking the recruiter doesn't block invitations, direct invitations can be accepted IN SPACE (hello exploits)... this is pretty terrible and completely unnecessary as far as I can see. Why is it so important to allow recruiters to spam people with unblockable invitations? If anyone's too reticent to send an application they probably shouldn't be in a corp in the first place. |
Grookshank
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
34
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Posted - 2014.12.01 20:26:37 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:No rate limitation, blocking the recruiter doesn't block invitations, direct invitations can be accepted IN SPACE (hello exploits)... this is pretty terrible and completely unnecessary as far as I can see. Why is it so important to allow recruiters to spam people with unblockable invitations? If anyone's too reticent to send an application they probably shouldn't be in a corp in the first place.
EDIT: all invitations can be accepted in space now. Do you realise what a clusterfuck that will be?
Is it really that way on SISI now? Team Five 0, really? |
Dave Stark
7204
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Posted - 2014.12.01 20:27:05 -
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Masao Kurata wrote:EDIT: all invitations can be accepted in space now. Do you realise what a clusterfuck that will be?
sweet jesus.... |
Masao Kurata
Z List
166
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Posted - 2014.12.01 20:29:56 -
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Okay clarification about what is possible because I cannot believe you did this knowing the history of corp shenanigans:
- You still cannot apply to a corporation while in space.
- You still cannot send an invitation to an applicant while in space.
- You can directly invite someone while in space.
- You can directly invite someone who is in space.
- You can directly invite someone who is in space while you are also in space.
- You can accept any outstanding invitation while in space.
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Nitris Denitrace
Catastrophic Overview Failure Brave Collective
24
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Posted - 2014.12.01 21:06:23 -
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I really disagree with this change, there's simply no reason for it.
At present, the only annoyance with getting people into corp (aside from teaching them how to use API keys) is having them need to drop roles. There's no reason to suddenly overhaul it to a system that's completely arbitrary, doesn't actually fix anything and is just gonna cause people to spam invites to corps to everyone in local.
This change is completely pointless and doesn't actually make recruitment any easier or more accessible and will only end in annoyance and frustration. |
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