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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:55:00 -
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Please... Revert this change.
This change is wrong on so many levels.
Please explain the reasoning on this.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Sentient Blade
Walk It Off Coalition of the Unfortunate
110
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Posted - 2011.11.28 18:57:00 -
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Hang on... you're complaining that taking a hostile action gets you a an aggression timer? |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
396
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:01:00 -
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I wondered how long it would take someone to notice this.
Although this makes dictor pilots lives a bit more challenging, it does make sense. Launching a warp disruption probe is no more or less an aggressive act that activating a warp disruption module on someone. The only difference is that previously someone actually had to be inhibited by the probe for aggression to take place, instead of the probe (with the intent to disrupt clear) simply being launched.
It will certainly make life interesting for dictors for awhile. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
L'ouris
Have Naught Subsidiaries
7
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:01:00 -
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As a non-dic pilot;
Could you explain at least some of the wrong?
My impression would be you bring another DIC with you instead of another DPS boat.
Not much, but at least a token step towards fleet diversification? |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
203
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:01:00 -
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I mean... you just removed so many tactics from the game from this simple change I can't even count.
If you wanna make a change to it, make it so that anyone engaging warp in a dicter bubble, no matter where that bubble is refreshes the dicters aggression.
But on launch... that's dumb!
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
203
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:03:00 -
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Sentient Blade wrote:Hang on... you're complaining that taking a hostile action gets you a an aggression timer?
LAUNCHING a bubble =/= agression.
Someone warping in a dicter bubble does.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
396
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:07:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:I mean... you just removed so many tactics from the game from this simple change I can't even count.
If you wanna make a change to it, make it so that anyone engaging warp in a dicter bubble, no matter where that bubble is refreshes the dicters aggression.
But on launch... that's dumb!
So...... when YOU launch a dictor bubble you have no hostile intent. Would you be so kind as to list the benign reasons to launch a warp disruption probe?
Yes, some tactics will have to change. Notice "change" does not equate with "remove". To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Vircomore Amilupar
Solenus Directive Rieos Coalition
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:07:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:Hang on... you're complaining that taking a hostile action gets you a an aggression timer? LAUNCHING a bubble =/= agression. Someone warping in a dicter bubble does.
And how many people do you know that choose to warp into a dictor bubble?
That's like blaming a bombing victim for walking over the tripwire. You are placing an "attack" in space - to say "that's not a crime until it hits someone" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. |
Alexandros Balfros
Liberty Rogues
7
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:08:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:Hang on... you're complaining that taking a hostile action gets you a an aggression timer? LAUNCHING a bubble =/= agression. Someone warping in a dicter bubble does.
It creates a negative area of space, just consider it aggression against space, it actually makes sense, also you aggress yourself the second you drop the bubble as you cause a negative effect on your own ship so use that if you really really really need to justify it :P |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
472
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:09:00 -
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You don't launch a bubble because it looks pretty sitting there in space. You do it to catch someone.
It's an act of aggression and should be flagged as such.
Mr Epeen If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
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Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
203
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:10:00 -
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Alexandros Balfros wrote:Zagdul wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:Hang on... you're complaining that taking a hostile action gets you a an aggression timer? LAUNCHING a bubble =/= agression. Someone warping in a dicter bubble does. It creates a negative area of space, just consider it aggression against space, it actually makes sense, also you aggress yourself the second you drop the bubble as you cause a negative effect on your own ship so use that if you really really really need to justify it :P
Crimes against space!
It would agress me if I warped in my dicter bubble, that would make sense sure.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
203
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:11:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:You don't launch a bubble because it looks pretty sitting there in space. You do it to catch someone. It's an act of aggression and should be flagged as such. Mr Epeen
If someone lands in the bubble, sure give me agression, I can deal with that.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
396
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:12:00 -
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Vircomore Amilupar wrote:Zagdul wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:Hang on... you're complaining that taking a hostile action gets you a an aggression timer? LAUNCHING a bubble =/= agression. Someone warping in a dicter bubble does. And how many people do you know that choose to warp into a dictor bubble? That's like blaming a bombing victim for walking over the tripwire. You are placing an "attack" in space - to say "that's not a crime until it hits someone" is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.
Exactly.
The OP might have a point of if a warp disruption probe's effect was limited to merely stopping a ship from warping (not really, but lets be nice), however the fact that they can aggressively pull a ship out of warp if lined up properly means that ships could be pulled into a trap without any aggression flag activating on the launcher what-so-ever.
This puts it squarely into the realm of an item that has offensive uses beyond simply stopping someone that tries to activate warp inside it's area of effect.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Emiko Luan
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
9
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:12:00 -
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Please list the benign reasons for launching a bubble. Or just come join us in w-space, no docking or jumping aggression timers here :3 +welcome to my world+ http://venomzer0.deviantart.com |
Ocih
Space Mermaids
0
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:13:00 -
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I think the issue is, now they can't be used like logistical landmines. I'd say the reason CCP did it was, they don't want them to be used as logistical landmines. Go to DRF space if you need to ask why they don't want that. |
Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
429
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:15:00 -
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If I shoot a gun towards your head and miss, you should treat me as your friend?
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Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club Care Factor
21
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:16:00 -
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NOES! Dictor pilots won't be able to drop bubbles when running away to slow down their enemies on gates...
Those are the endless amounts of tactics that have been made a bit harder to executre?
Oh and no docking games with a dictor won't be as easy now... No more bubble-instadock-undock with dps ship? Gonna die of laughter. "Have you had your morning coffee?" -> the Coffee Lovers Brewing Club is recruiting! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=363976#post363976 |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
14
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:17:00 -
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im gonna be swinging my arms like this and if you get hit its YOUR fault
well im gonna be kicking my leg like this and if you get its YOUR FAULT |
Apollo Gabriel
Mercatoris Etherium Cartel
331
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:18:00 -
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Next I want 1 m isk docking fees if you dock more than once per day ...
NO MORE STATION GAMES! Let us eat cake! -áI mean open containers in corp hangers please ... Let us stack all modules (eliminate repackaging), except damaged ones, give them a red hue/icon. Let us see damaged drones in our drone bay!
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
396
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:19:00 -
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More to the point, they decided they didn't like the tactic of dropping a bubble and then jumping through a gate or docking.
Granted, the tactic made a dictor pilots life easier, and allowed them to drop, jump thru a gate, and get set up on the other side quickly and safely.
Now a second dictor (or it's equivalent) will be needed to secure both sides of a gate. Also, dictor pilots will be committed to being on the side where their bubble is, and any ensuing combat.
This will have a small but noticeable effect on dictor fittings... and the tactics FC's use, as well as to fleet composition. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
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Mara Villoso
Big Box
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:19:00 -
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It seems logical, since until this change a dictor pilot could theoretically be the most critical part of a fight without ever being agressed (assuming no one tried to actually warp out of the bubble, just saw it and tried to escape it).
A more logical EVE ftw. |
Alexandros Balfros
Liberty Rogues
7
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:19:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Alexandros Balfros wrote:Zagdul wrote:Sentient Blade wrote:Hang on... you're complaining that taking a hostile action gets you a an aggression timer? LAUNCHING a bubble =/= agression. Someone warping in a dicter bubble does. It creates a negative area of space, just consider it aggression against space, it actually makes sense, also you aggress yourself the second you drop the bubble as you cause a negative effect on your own ship so use that if you really really really need to justify it :P Crimes against space! It would agress me if I warped in my dicter bubble, that would make sense sure.
You're in the bubble by default, you can't warp out of it so thats the agression, you scramble yourself by deploying it you don't have to warp in to it because you already sit at the middle :) |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
14
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:21:00 -
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does the HIC bubble cause aggression?
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
293
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:24:00 -
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No more passive-aggressive sabre pilots.
Perhaps it's a precursor to being able to use dictors in lowsec? Oh please oh please oh please? :) This is my signature.-á There are many others like it, but this one is mine. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
472
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:25:00 -
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I remember back in the big one.
We were out planting landmines and the bloody Huns started shooting at us like we were being aggressive toward them or something.
I could see if one of them stepped on one, maybe. The mines were just sitting there minding their own business. Not hurting anyone.
Why they thought this was an aggressive act is just beyond me.
Mr Epeen
If you can read this, you haven't blocked me yet. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
203
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:26:00 -
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Potamus Jenkins wrote:does the HIC bubble cause aggression?
Yes, on launch.
Not if someone lands in it.
Not if someone "warps" in it. If you launch it.
Sure, if someone lands in my bubble, go ahead and give me aggression as I've now aggressed someone.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
281
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:28:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Please... Revert this change.
This change is wrong on so many levels.
Please explain the reasoning on this.
Why is it wrong?
If you target someone, choose to put a warp disruption probe on it, there's no reason you shouldn't have the aggression timer. Act = consequence
You choose to drop your own bubble there, it's ok, you know you have consequences now and you will adapt or die. |
Zagdul
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
203
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:33:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Zagdul wrote:Please... Revert this change.
This change is wrong on so many levels.
Please explain the reasoning on this. Why is it wrong? If you target someone, choose to put a warp disruption probe on it, there's no reason you shouldn't have the aggression timer. Act = consequence You choose to drop your own bubble there, it's ok, you know you have consequences now and you will adapt or die.
You are dumb.
You don't need to target someone to launch a bubble. Launching a bubble, basically you've agressed space.
It's not Rocket Surgery |
Potamus Jenkins
The Lucky Bible Company
14
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:33:00 -
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Zagdul wrote:Potamus Jenkins wrote:does the HIC bubble cause aggression?
Yes, on launch. Not if someone lands in it. Not if someone "warps" in it. If you launch it. Sure, if someone lands in my bubble, go ahead and give me aggression as I've now aggressed someone.
i dont know if i was not clear of if im not understanding
i understand the warp disruptor probe causes aggression
what about when the heavy interdictor pilot activates the warp disruption field generator without the focused script?
did that cause aggression previous to the patch? is that being changed now as well? |
Hamatitio
Aperture Harmonics K162
30
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Posted - 2011.11.28 19:35:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Zagdul wrote:Please... Revert this change.
This change is wrong on so many levels.
Please explain the reasoning on this. Why is it wrong? If you target someone, choose to put a warp disruption probe on it, there's no reason you shouldn't have the aggression timer. Act = consequence You choose to drop your own bubble there, it's ok, you know you have consequences now and you will adapt or die.
Because you don't target anyone to launch it.
Hell let's make smartbombs cause aggression when it does no damage |
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