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Sir Crom
C R O M
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Posted - 2015.03.24 02:11:48 -
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Hey I have another input that I would love to see implemented into the program.
Saving screen and loadout positions of the overviews and screen sizes so if I want to use lets say a 1 big and 4 preview side setup, then later want to use a 1 big, 4 previews on bottom. it could easily be swapped from one setup to other.
And for sake of editing just make the XML files save in a subdirectory of the main program then you just have to point the program to a directory...
I hope I explained it well enough for all to understand...
Right now to accomplish this buy having 2 installs in differnent directories.....
P.S. I have multiple monitors and use my laptop and desktop at times... |
Rosewalker
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
164
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:10:10 -
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ashley Eoner wrote:Phoenix Jones wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Is this bannable now? In the fanfest presentation I watched they said Quote:"You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the game environment or change how the game is played" and this certainly changes how the game appears and is played. I like the window management I just would like to make sure it's not illegal too. Doesn't modify the ingame client, nor does it change how the game appears or is played. Its pretty much a overlay window that the OS can provide (monitor emulation). There is no direct changes or inputs that program can provide ingame. Its a weird dance. Neither does isboxer's VideoFX but it was held up as an example of something bannable. Videofx only works because of Windows DWM thumbnails and I thought this program was using the same concept.
You are looking at the technology and not how it is used. With ISBoxer, elements of multiple clients can be mashed together to make a "custom client". That is what is objectionable. As far as I know, you can't do that with EVE-O Preview. Or has it changed since I last looked at it?
The Nosy Gamer - CCP Random: "hehe, falls under the category: nice try, but no. ;)"
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
795
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:30:20 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:ashley Eoner wrote:Is this bannable now? In the fanfest presentation I watched they said Quote:"You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the game environment or change how the game is played" and this certainly changes how the game appears and is played. I like the window management I just would like to make sure it's not illegal too. Doesn't modify the ingame client, nor does it change how the game appears or is played. Its pretty much a overlay window that the OS can provide (monitor emulation). There is no direct changes or inputs that program can provide ingame. Its a weird dance.
ISboxer uses the same software that is used here, and it was ruled in violation of 6A2 so by extension this program is in violation of the EULA as well. However, we're seeing the exact same thing occur here that happened with T20;namely, CCP priviledge in protecting someone or something that is violating the EULA. I wonder if ISBoxer was banned as a means of eliminating competition, because Team Security was grasping at straws when they said VideoFX modified the client. Pro Tip: it doesn't. It uses Aero and DWM, neither of which CCP owns or holds a controlling interest in. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1196
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Posted - 2015.03.24 15:34:29 -
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Except ISboxer wasn't banned. Input broadcasting and multiplexing was. You can use ISboxer just as you use this program.
You just can't use the broadcasting function or the key duplication function of ISboxer. Eve previewed has none (hell there isn't even a hotkey function for view switching in it).
Yaay!!!!
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Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
212
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Posted - 2015.03.24 16:02:19 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Hey guys,
After reading a few of the last posts and the concern about this piece of software being allowed or not, I went and had a chat with our security guys. They have confirmed this is totally acceptable, nothing has changed. :)
Fly safe.
Guys. FoxFour talked with the security folks. According to him everything is allowed that this program does. While I appreciate the discussion and activity in this thread (which encourages me to find more time to work on this program), it's over something the devs have said isn't an issue.
CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
795
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Posted - 2015.03.24 20:04:26 -
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I'd believe that if we didn't just have a 5-boxer who was not using any sort of broadcasting get banned. Additionally, there is no part of the EULA that talks about commands being sent to certain clients. There was a kerfluffle over the usage of a KVM switch some time ago which was ruled legal. ISBoxer is nothing more than a software-based KVM switch. |
Leonis Perthshire
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2015.04.05 20:12:31 -
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Al right this is my serious request.
The app is awesome great an everything but it would be cool a trick on it to allow run character from the same account at one time. Currently only allow to run one character of each account. please please please.
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Cat Harkness
Twilight Labs
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Posted - 2015.04.06 00:41:07 -
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Leonis Perthshire wrote:Al right this is my serious request.
The app is awesome great an everything but it would be cool a trick on it to allow run character from the same account at one time. Currently only allow to run one character of each account. please please please.
Since you can only log-in with one character on an account at a time I do not see a problem.
Unless I am missing something? |
Leonis Perthshire
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2015.04.06 03:20:47 -
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Cat Harkness wrote:Leonis Perthshire wrote:Al right this is my serious request.
The app is awesome great an everything but it would be cool a trick on it to allow run character from the same account at one time. Currently only allow to run one character of each account. please please please. Since you can only log-in with one character on an account at a time I do not see a problem. Unless I am missing something?
Might be am not explaining good.
this is not a problem of the this app, but of the eve luncher. that don't allow you or me in this case to use 1 account two character or the same account. isbox by pass this by creating like virtual machine. would be cool that this app would allow the same.
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Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
214
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Posted - 2015.04.06 14:11:54 -
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I'm sorry, I'm not following. I wasn't aware you could use more than one character per account at one time.
CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.
CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP
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Leonis Perthshire
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2015.04.07 03:37:18 -
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Makari Aeron wrote:I'm sorry, I'm not following. I wasn't aware you could use more than one character per account at one time.
Yes whit isboxer but I don't wanna pay. Am bad.
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ashley Eoner
470
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Posted - 2015.04.08 10:28:12 -
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Leonis Perthshire wrote:Makari Aeron wrote:I'm sorry, I'm not following. I wasn't aware you could use more than one character per account at one time. Yes whit isboxer but I don't wanna pay. Am bad. No you can't. |
Cat Harkness
Twilight Labs
36
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Posted - 2015.04.08 22:08:31 -
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When you log on with a second character from the same account, the first one will get disconnected.
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Jessie Jackson
DeepSpace Resources DeepSpace.
0
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Posted - 2015.04.09 21:24:52 -
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I am having a problem getting a set-up going similar to the "Four clients in a sidebar" example. The problem is, the previews only show up when the clients are minimised. As soon as I click one to make that client active, the preview disappears. The only way I can get the previews to show on screen is to minimise each client. I have the Previews always on top checked, and do NOT have hide preview of active eve client checked.
Also, I am running windows 8.1.
Any help would be appreciated, I would love to use this to manage my clients! This is a great project! |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
819
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Posted - 2015.04.10 20:33:18 -
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6. CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct 2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played. |
Bluntmasta
DeepSpace Resources DeepSpace.
0
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Posted - 2015.04.10 21:20:52 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:6. CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct 2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
Bud, you really need to get over it. Isboxer's functions have been neutered. Either adapt, or quit. Looking at your previous posts, you seem to be obsessed with the whole Isboxer thing. |
Leonis Perthshire
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2015.04.10 21:35:34 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:6. CONDUCT A. Specifically Restricted Conduct 2. You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.
This app and isboxer dont brame the laws.
In common sense any app that auto send clicks to different clients aren't allow. Both app you have to give click and instruction to control your ship(s). If you read up you will see CCP was in this post contributing in a way showing that is not illegal app.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3973
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Posted - 2015.04.12 09:15:35 -
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Please keep the discussion on topic. The legitimacy of this software has already been discussed and doesn't need to be again. Assuming the functionality of the software doesn't change, it is allowed in its current state.
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Size Matters
Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3973
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Posted - 2015.04.12 09:16:21 -
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Jessie Jackson wrote:I am having a problem getting a set-up going similar to the "Four clients in a sidebar" example. The problem is, the previews only show up when the clients are minimised. As soon as I click one to make that client active, the preview disappears. The only way I can get the previews to show on screen is to minimise each client. I have the Previews always on top checked, and do NOT have hide preview of active eve client checked.
Also, I am running windows 8.1.
Any help would be appreciated, I would love to use this to manage my clients! This is a great project!
*EDIT* I figured it out. It was teamviewer. I forgot I had it running in the background. Once I closed teamviewer, all is well. Thanks for the great program!
Interesting. Thanks for coming back and letting us know you figured it out. This is good to know.
@CCP_FoxFour // Technical Designer // Team Size Matters
Third-party developer? Check out the official developers site for dev blogs, resources, and more.
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
821
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Posted - 2015.04.12 13:16:01 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Please keep the discussion on topic. The legitimacy of this software has already been discussed and doesn't need to be again. Assuming the functionality of the software doesn't change, it is allowed in its current state. It specifically violates 6A2, client modification. Is CCP going down the path of T20 where "anything we do is ok" is allowed again? This is a very serious issue for CCP after they just banned a 5-boxer who was not using broadcasting tools from ISBoxer to play. If the player was using EVE-O Preview, can you honestly say without a shadow of a doubt that he would have been banned? |
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Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
214
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Posted - 2015.04.12 16:51:08 -
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Hey folks. I'll look into your issues soon. I'm on vacation currently. I do apologize for not fixing the present bugs and help9ng with support recently. Life has been hectic in the last month. I will try to troubleshoot tomorrow while at work.
Thanks for your understanding and tank you Fox Four for settling the legality discussion again. I need to edit the OP with links to you and the dev blog.
CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.
CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP
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GeeShizzle MacCloud
587
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Posted - 2015.04.12 16:53:13 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Please keep the discussion on topic. The legitimacy of this software has already been discussed and doesn't need to be again. Assuming the functionality of the software doesn't change, it is allowed in its current state. It specifically violates 6A2, client modification. Is CCP going down the path of T20 where "anything we do is ok" is allowed again? This is a very serious issue for CCP after they just banned a 5-boxer who was not using broadcasting tools from ISBoxer to play. If the player was using EVE-O Preview, can you honestly say without a shadow of a doubt that he would have been banned?
From what i understand it he was using isboxer to create multiple snapshot sections of the client that he could arrange in whatever form he wanted to in order to make using 5 clients extremely efficient in the screen space he has.
He can use those windows to click on small parts of each client. this is considered modification of the client because you're breaking up the client window into segments that you can rearrange in whatever way you want.
Eve-O Previewer does not allow you to click through the new windows you create in order to control the client, it merely gives you a truncated view of the client and the ability to click it to make that client the active client on your screen.
its a very very distinct difference, and if you cannot get your head around it then i don't know what else i can say to make it more clear to you. |
Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
821
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Posted - 2015.04.12 20:20:41 -
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1) If making VideoFX windows was indeed banned, CCP would be attempting to police the usage of your operating system and it's features as VideoFX utilizes Windows Aero to function. 2) There is no part of the speech that targets VideoFX. 3) 6A2 is very specific in it's wording. Any modification. 4) You can already move stuff around on your UI / HUD, and you can resize your .exe window any way you want. 5) CCP cannot selectively enforce their EULA for program X over program Y without harking back to the days of T20. Nobody wants that. |
Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
214
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Posted - 2015.04.13 01:49:35 -
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OK So here's the deal. EVE O Preview does NOT send any commends of any kind to the EVE client. It only uses Windows commands to make the EVE window the active window. It can resize the client window and re-position it which CCP said was perfectly fine.
CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.
CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP
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Nolak Ataru
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
823
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Posted - 2015.04.13 12:22:59 -
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Makari Aeron wrote:OK So here's the deal. EVE O Preview does NOT send any commends of any kind to the EVE client. It only uses Windows commands to make the EVE window the active window. It can resize the client window and re-position it which CCP said was perfectly fine. It doesn't need to send commands if it arguably violates 6A2 as we're getting banned for nothing already. e: And ISBoxer uses OS-Level commands as well. You're presenting the exact same arguments defending EVE-O Preview that I used or am using to defend ISBoxer. Let that sink in. |
l0rd carlos
TURN DOWN. The Camel Empire
1195
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Posted - 2015.04.13 12:27:48 -
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Nolak Ataru can you please open or use another thread? It's getting harder to help other users from this software if a lot of the new posts are about Isboxer users getting banned.
German blog about smallscale lowsec pvp: http://friendsofharassment.wordpress.com
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
4305
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Posted - 2015.04.13 14:07:48 -
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I have removed some rule breaking posts and those quoting them.
The Rules: 11. Discussion of warnings and bans is prohibited.
Such matters shall remain private between CCP and the involved user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through email or private messaging. CCP respect the right of our players to privacy and as such you are not permitted to publicize private correspondence (including support ticket responses and emails) received from any member of CCP staff.
27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
214
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Posted - 2015.04.13 15:42:32 -
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Alrighty, I've gotten back to troubleshooting some of the reported bugs. I've yet to pin them down, but I will keep looking.
I don't think I"ll be implementing the "new" save system as it's causing some headaches but I definitely want to get "Minimize to system tray" as well as the "hotkey switching" done soonTM.
CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.
CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP
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Leonis Perthshire
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
15
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Posted - 2015.04.13 22:38:47 -
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Makari Aeron wrote:Alrighty, I've gotten back to troubleshooting some of the reported bugs. I've yet to pin them down, but I will keep looking.
I don't think I"ll be implementing the "new" save system as it's causing some headaches but I definitely want to get "Minimize to system tray" as well as the "hotkey switching" done soonTM.
Hey men i dont know how to say but thanks for this app.
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Lee Sin Priest
Republic University Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2015.05.01 18:05:11 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Please keep the discussion on topic. The legitimacy of this software has already been discussed and doesn't need to be again. Assuming the functionality of the software doesn't change, it is allowed in its current state.
Assuming one were to use ISBoxer to do the exact same features EVE-O uses and no other features, would you still get banned for using ISBoxer in that fashion?
E: Also very cool to have a legal windows management tool i can use without having to worry, much thanks |
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