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Segraina Skyblazer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.03 01:27:30 -
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Hello everyone. I've played eve 3 years ago and I'm coming back starting over from scratch again. I'm training one of my characters for a Bhaalghorn for pvp and maybe use it for soloing C3's but atm I can fly Amarr cruisers and wanted to know if there are any Amarr cruisers that can solo C2's and possibly C3's? I prefer the cheapest method for now to reduce the risk/loss ratio to a minimum because I know getting ganked can't be avoided for a noob wormholer. My thoughts are that the Navy Omen and Navy Augoror could be a solid choice for C2 soloing or maybe a Maller and the Zealot for C3's. Any advice is welcome and some fits if you don't mind please. Thanks |
Blake Nosferatu
Phoenix of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2014.12.03 03:27:21 -
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Duel rep harbinger. |
Segraina Skyblazer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.03 05:15:50 -
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Blake Nosferatu wrote:Duel rep harbinger.
I don't have or do I plan to train for any BC's (until CCP fix them) anytime soon. Looking for cruiser info or frigates. |
Jack Miton
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2014.12.03 06:13:12 -
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Segraina Skyblazer wrote:Blake Nosferatu wrote:Duel rep harbinger. I don't have or do I plan to train for any BC's (until CCP fix them) anytime soon. Looking for cruiser info or frigates. Cruiser skills and BC skills are literally identical other than the ~3-4days in takes to train BCs 4... For PVE there's no reason at all to ever fly a cruiser.
PS: CCP have already rebalanced BCs and they're very good ships. Command ships also if we're talking T2.
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Janeway84
Def Squadron Pride Before Fall
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Posted - 2014.12.03 07:43:30 -
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Best ships for C2 wh's is battlecrusiers , battlehips , t3 and marauder. Its to do with the spawn ranges from warpin, with battlecruiser and up you get more range than cruiser usually, so you dont need to slow boat around as much before you can start to shoot sleepers. Slow range and npc's spawning 50-80 km away makes for yawn experience sometimes. Dont forget to salvage the wrecks you will do ok with t1 salvager in c2 but if you want to salvage higher class wh sleeper battleship wrecks you will need t2 salvagers eventually. |
Naraish Adarn
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
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Posted - 2014.12.03 10:33:10 -
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i've ran some c2 sites and anoms in a dual rep sacrilege though it did feel like a horrible misuse of a good pvp ship |
Papa Django
CosmoTeK LTD La Division Bleue
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Posted - 2014.12.03 10:43:45 -
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Segraina Skyblazer wrote:I prefer the cheapest method for now to reduce the risk/loss ratio to a minimum because I know getting ganked can't be avoided for a noob wormholer. [...] Any advice is welcome and some fits if you don't mind please. Thanks
Get Caldari Cruiser V and go for a self-rep Tengu that's the best choice ever for C1 to C3.
Armor ships are not for pve, especially in wspace. They are fat and slow, so it makes them really bad to w/o when you see someone in your dscan.
With a BC, most of the time when you see a ganker on your dscan it is already too late to escape. With Armor cruiser (T2/T3) it depends but it is hard.
Shield is definitly the way to go in pve. |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:43:30 -
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[Maller, greatestc2ratter] Medium Armor Repairer II Expanded Cargohold II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Co-Processor II Damage Control II Reactive Armor Hardener
Small Hull Repairer II Large Shield Booster II 10MN Microwarpdrive II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Dual Light Beam Laser II, Multifrequency S 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2014.12.03 22:52:47 -
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Segraina Skyblazer wrote:Blake Nosferatu wrote:Duel rep harbinger. I don't have or do I plan to train for any BC's (until CCP fix them) anytime soon. Looking for cruiser info or frigates. The main issues with battlecruisers in PvP are their low speed/agility/warp speed which makes them less maneuverable than cruisres. These things are hardly relevant when you are sitting in a static location to run sites. They come with extra tank and damage and only take a few days to train to level 4.
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Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
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Posted - 2014.12.04 00:12:59 -
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Papa Django wrote: Armor ships are not for pve, especially in wspace. They are fat and slow, so it makes them really bad to w/o when you see someone in your dscan.
Considering you shouldnt be plating Pve ships Armor PVE ships arent hugely less agile than shield.
Zealot works incredibly well for c2s not so much for c3s.
Although harbinger would be cheaper to lose and probably faster running the sites
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Segraina Skyblazer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.04 02:08:51 -
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Papa Django wrote:Segraina Skyblazer wrote:I prefer the cheapest method for now to reduce the risk/loss ratio to a minimum because I know getting ganked can't be avoided for a noob wormholer. [...] Any advice is welcome and some fits if you don't mind please. Thanks Get Caldari Cruiser V and go for a self-rep Tengu that's the best choice ever for C1 to C3. Armor ships are not for pve, especially in wspace. They are fat and slow, so it makes them really bad to w/o when you see someone in your dscan. With a BC, most of the time when you see a ganker on your dscan it is already too late to escape. With Armor cruiser (T2/T3) it depends but it is hard. Shield is definitly the way to go in pve. EDIT : The cheapest method is a passive tanking Drake but you can't avoid gank with it.
I don't use missles atm only blasters and lasers.
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Segraina Skyblazer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.04 02:11:24 -
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Borsek wrote:[Maller, greatestc2ratter] Medium Armor Repairer II Expanded Cargohold II 1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II Co-Processor II Damage Control II Reactive Armor Hardener
Small Hull Repairer II Large Shield Booster II 10MN Microwarpdrive II
Heavy Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M Dual Light Beam Laser II, Multifrequency S 425mm AutoCannon II, EMP M 200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S 200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Core Defense Operational Solidifier I
No need to thank me, this baby is the best out there at burning
What the hell is this crap. If you meant this as a joke....it's not funny. |
Segraina Skyblazer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.04 02:15:26 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:Segraina Skyblazer wrote:Blake Nosferatu wrote:Duel rep harbinger. I don't have or do I plan to train for any BC's (until CCP fix them) anytime soon. Looking for cruiser info or frigates. The main issues with battlecruisers in PvP are their low speed/agility/warp speed which makes them less maneuverable than cruisres. These things are hardly relevant when you are sitting in a static location to run sites. They come with extra tank and damage and only take a few days to train to level 4.
It's worth considering. Can a level 4 skilled Harbinger pilot solo C2's? |
TXG SYNC
Outer Ring Sleeper Collective Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2014.12.04 03:17:35 -
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Segraina Skyblazer wrote:It's worth considering. Can a level 4 skilled Harbinger pilot solo C2's?
The Harbinger is a delightful boat for C2 work. Pays for itself in about 4 sites. Pursuant to your original request, however, the Navy Omen and Arbitrator can also solo in C2.
I'll leave the Navy Omen as a fitting exercise for you (there are at least two different ways to do it; neither is "wrong". Focus on keeping your speed up and maybe fit for a bit of extra tank when you're getting started). The Arbitrator that can solo C2s easily is surprising, though.
[Arbitrator, C2 Solo]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Drone Damage Amplifier II
Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
Super-cheap (it usually pays for itself in one or two sites!) and surprisingly effective. And if you like this, then get your skills up; a Gila or a Stratios can be fit similarly and run the sites in half the time at twenty times the expense. Use your afterburner sparingly, because certain anom battleships will neut you and ruin your night. Pull the drones between each wave, and never unleash the drones against any target you're not within 10km of, or the Sleepers will tend to web them and destroy them.
There are much better choices for this, but I've never seen one that can do C2 sites so cheaply. |
Segraina Skyblazer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.04 03:57:53 -
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TXG SYNC wrote:Segraina Skyblazer wrote:It's worth considering. Can a level 4 skilled Harbinger pilot solo C2's? The Harbinger is a delightful boat for C2 work. Pays for itself in about 4 sites. Pursuant to your original request, however, the Navy Omen and Arbitrator can also solo in C2. I'll leave the Navy Omen as a fitting exercise for you (there are at least two different ways to do it; neither is "wrong". Focus on keeping your speed up and maybe fit for a bit of extra tank when you're getting started). The Arbitrator that can solo C2s easily is surprising, though. [Arbitrator, C2 Solo] Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I Drone Damage Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II 10MN Afterburner II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile Prototype 'Arbalest' Rapid Light Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Light Missile 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S 200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Hammerhead II x5 Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5 Super-cheap (it usually pays for itself in one or two sites!) and surprisingly effective. And if you like this, then get your skills up; a Gila or a Stratios can be fit similarly and run the sites in half the time at twenty times the expense. Use your afterburner sparingly, because certain anom battleships will neut you and ruin your night. Pull the drones between each wave, and never unleash the drones against any target you're not within 10km of, or the Sleepers will tend to web them and destroy them. There are much better choices for this, but I've never seen one that can do C2 sites so cheaply.
Music to my hears, thank you so much for the wonderful advice (the best advice I heard in this forum.) I was just starting to dread the idea of having to train amarr BC to Lev 5 just to solo C2's (don't know what else to use the harbinger for). I have amarr cruiser max out already and 4 in Assault Cruisers. If the Zealot was just as good as the harbinger for C2 soloing then I'll pay the extra in price and choose the Zealot since I also plan to use the Zealot for PVP. But even better since you mention that the navy amarr cruisers can also take on the C2's. Fly safe o7 and thanks again!
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Papa Django
CosmoTeK LTD La Division Bleue
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Posted - 2014.12.04 09:39:15 -
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Segraina Skyblazer wrote: I don't use missles atm only blasters and lasers.
If you plan to pve you should consider training them.
Missiles are the best compromise between range and DPS.
Sleepers web a lot, and some of them stay at range (40km, sometimes more). |
Segraina Skyblazer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.04 13:29:07 -
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Papa Django wrote:Segraina Skyblazer wrote: I don't use missles atm only blasters and lasers.
If you plan to pve you should consider training them. Missiles are the best compromise between range and DPS. Sleepers web a lot, and some of them stay at range (40km, sometimes more).
I'm training another alt for the tengu because I already know it's great for wormholes, but that'll take another 6 months for me to max out those skills. So in the meantime I was looking at what I can use atm to cun C2's in to get my feet wet. Or maybe try using a blaster tengu in 3 months if I do a little cross train with this char, but that'll take me away from my goal with her which is the Bhaalgorn (which I hear is great for PVP and wormholes).
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Papa Django
CosmoTeK LTD La Division Bleue
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Posted - 2014.12.04 13:46:59 -
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Segraina Skyblazer wrote:Papa Django wrote:Segraina Skyblazer wrote: I don't use missles atm only blasters and lasers.
If you plan to pve you should consider training them. Missiles are the best compromise between range and DPS. Sleepers web a lot, and some of them stay at range (40km, sometimes more). I'm training another alt for the tengu because I already know it's great for wormholes, but that'll take another 6 months for me to max out those skills. So in the meantime I was looking at what I can use atm to cun C2's in to get my feet wet. Or maybe try using a blaster tengu in 3 months if I do a little cross train with this char, but that'll take me away from my goal with her which is the Bhaalgorn (which I hear is great for PVP and wormholes).
The issue with blasters is range. Some sleepers stay at range and they web a lot, but maybe less in C2 then C3. |
Borsek
Incertae Sedis
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Posted - 2014.12.04 15:49:03 -
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But triple tank best tank...
I'm just being salty, because there's a sticky in this forum with wh classes and ships that can run them.
Also, I had fun making that abomination, it tanks a whole 350 dps for about 20 seconds. As for fits, enough reps, rigs so you can tank, then put the rest into damage. Get eft. Check eve survival for site/wave dps. Take neuts into consideration. Drone boats are excellent with ecm/rr. Don't get hung up on that's a bc, t2, t3, train for all of them and pick the tool you fancy most for the job. |
ArchAngael
SUPREME MATHEMATICS A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.12.04 16:41:29 -
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Segraina Skyblazer wrote: I'm training another alt for the tengu because I already know it's great for wormholes, but that'll take another 6 months for me to max out those skills. So in the meantime I was looking at what I can use atm to cun C2's in to get my feet wet. Or maybe try using a blaster tengu in 3 months if I do a little cross train with this char, but that'll take me away from my goal with her which is the Bhaalgorn (which I hear is great for PVP and wormholes).
That's the second time you mentioned maxing out the skills. I'd say to make a plan, train to 4's (or even 3s) and give it a try. If you like the style and it's effective, train to 5. Training max skills before even trying it is a recipe for disappointment, IMO.
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Cara Forelli
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Posted - 2014.12.04 17:10:40 -
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ArchAngael wrote:That's the second time you mentioned maxing out the skills. I'd say to make a plan, train to 4's (or even 3s) and give it a try. If you like the style and it's effective, train to 5. Training max skills before even trying it is a recipe for disappointment, IMO. This. You're too focused on max skills. You can run C2s just fine in a level 4 harbinger (check it's stats - no tank bonus per level means it tanks the same at level 1 as at level 5). Maxing out a Bhaalgorn for PVP is kind of a strange initial goal as well. Sure, it's a great ship for capital fights, but it's an expensive toy. There are much cheaper and more well-rounded options for getting your feet wet in PvP. Ships are tools, and each one fills a niche. Bigger ones aren't necessarily better. There's actually plenty of drawbacks in dragging around a battleship with your fleet, especially in wormhole space (mass limits).
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Segraina Skyblazer
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.04 21:01:57 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:ArchAngael wrote:That's the second time you mentioned maxing out the skills. I'd say to make a plan, train to 4's (or even 3s) and give it a try. If you like the style and it's effective, train to 5. Training max skills before even trying it is a recipe for disappointment, IMO. This. You're too focused on max skills. You can run C2s just fine in a level 4 harbinger (check it's stats - no tank bonus per level means it tanks the same at level 1 as at level 5). Maxing out a Bhaalgorn for PVP is kind of a strange initial goal as well. Sure, it's a great ship for capital fights, but it's an expensive toy. There are much cheaper and more well-rounded options for getting your feet wet in PvP. Ships are tools, and each one fills a niche. Bigger ones aren't necessarily better. There's actually plenty of drawbacks in dragging around a battleship with your fleet, especially in wormhole space (mass limits).
Very nice quote, thank you Cara. Yes I'm a max skill freak I admit, but I thought that in eve you shouldn't fly anything until you max the skills to fly the ship at it's maximum capacity, otherwise you end up throwing away isk when that ship gets killed. Also some ships are mediocre at lev 4 but great at lev 5 (like the tengu), so it became a law for me not to fly any ship until those skills are maxed out. Which is why I do plenty of research and forum questionares before I commit on a particular path. But you may be right about the Bhaal, even if a ship is good at pvp, if it's not fun to fly or have very limited roles in which it can be use (and very expensive) then it may not be worth it to train for if other options are available. But at this moment I don't know what other amarr ships out there that's worth training for besides the bhaal that's fun, has great dps and tank, and can be used for pvp and pve.
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2014.12.04 21:50:52 -
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Segraina Skyblazer wrote:I thought that in eve you shouldn't fly anything until you max the skills to fly the ship at it's maximum capacity, otherwise you end up throwing away isk when that ship gets killed. It would take months, in many cases years, to completely max out every relevant skill for specific ship. Here's a good post about it.
The vast majority of ships you can start to use at level 4 (or level 3 even) and be nearly as effective as at level 5. Never wait to play the game because you don't have max skills. Sure, you might lose some ships. But it's more likely that you lost them to some other factor (piloting, experience, numbers, location...etc.) than because you had battlecruiser 4 instead of 5. And if you DO wait until you have max skills, you'll still lose ships anyway because you haven't built up that experience while training.
There are a few ships I wouldn't fly without level 5 skills. T2 logistics ships (they have cap stability issues with level 5) and T3 cruisers (because the subsytem trains are pretty short anyway) are some examples. But these are expensive ships that shouldn't be the first thing you fly. Come up with short and medium term goals that you can fit into a long term plan, allowing you to actually undock and do stuff while you are training. There's some good advice about t1 ships that can run sites in this thread. That would probably be a good place to start. Once you have a feeling for what you like to fly you will have a better idea of what to specialize in (ie. train level 5s for).
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Skir Skor
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
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Posted - 2014.12.17 20:50:22 -
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I'm a big fan of the Sac , This is my alts basic fit.
[Sacrilege, Sacrebleu] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Medium Armor Repairer II
10MN Afterburner II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
All to V toon
DPS - 569 to 25km or 432 to 45km Tank 309 ehp/s Cap Stable @ 33% with AB running and NOS deactivated Cost - 200M, basic T2 fit
Lots of ways to increase to Gank/Tank/Cap and you should have no issues with the sleepers in a C2.
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Nitrah
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
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Posted - 2014.12.18 19:08:05 -
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Skir Skor wrote:I'm a big fan of the Sac , This is my alts basic fit.
[Sacrilege, Sacrebleu] Damage Control II Ballistic Control System II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Medium Armor Repairer II
10MN Afterburner II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II
Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Nova Rage Heavy Assault Missile Medium Diminishing Power System Drain I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
I do a similar thing for everything except for pulsars. Swap 1x EANM for an AAR. Swap AB for a cap booster. Swap scram for point. Swap nos for neut. For c2 work you don't have to turn on the AAR or booster unless you messed something up, and can be used very effectively for a skirmisher. |
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