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William SA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.03 07:12:46 -
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Hello there,
I just bought a character (fully according to CCP rules) which is currently being transferred to me. The owner however just contacted me that he still had a Rhea in a contract up on the character he just sold to me, and requests that I contract it to him when I get the chance.
I would do this of course if I am legally bound to do so, if not however, I would like to keep it since I don't have that much ISK left and the original owner made a mistake.
So, I have to know, must I send the Rhea back to the original owner when I have the chance to do so?
If yes, I will of course instantly do so.
If no, could he still try and succesfully reverse this transfer because he forgot about the Rhea?
Thanks for your time! :) |
McChicken Combo HalfMayo
The Happy Meal
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Posted - 2014.12.03 07:53:42 -
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This is the rule in question "Items cannot be listed among the character's valuable assets, only skills, implants and reputation. You are buying/selling the character ONLY and nothing else. Ships and items can be readily bought on the market for ISK. "
Interpreting it is fuzzy. The first line indicates the rule is referencing what you can actually negotiate within a character sale. If the Rhea was forgotten, it wasn't negotiated within a sale and might be fair game to keep. The second line however shakes things up a bit...
Petition it.
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Forest Archer
Pandora Sphere
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Posted - 2014.12.03 08:16:56 -
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McChicken Combo HalfMayo wrote:This is the rule in question "Items cannot be listed among the character's valuable assets, only skills, implants and reputation. You are buying/selling the character ONLY and nothing else. Ships and items can be readily bought on the market for ISK. "
Interpreting it is fuzzy. The first line indicates the rule is referencing what you can actually negotiate within a character sale. If the Rhea was forgotten, it wasn't negotiated within a sale and might be fair game to keep. The second line however shakes things up a bit...
Petition it. As said the Rhea was not intentionally part of the sale or an incentive, I have heard of items and Isk being left on characters. Safest thing to do is petition and find out if you are obligated.
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Steve Wingyip
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.03 11:02:22 -
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Just give the ship to the guy. Especially if the character was a good deal. |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.12.03 12:46:21 -
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Uhm...
May I ask why you come to a community forum when this is something you want OFFICIAL statement about?
Petition and ask someone who actually makes and enforces the rules....namely CCP.
Don't ask a bunch of fellow players how rules should be interpreted...as with 1001 players, you will get 1001 different opinions.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2014.12.03 13:59:26 -
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You have two options.
Be the good guy and return it or be a proper EVE player and laugh all the way to the bank.
Your choice.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2188
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:01:38 -
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J'Poll wrote:Uhm...
May I ask why you come to a community forum when this is something you want OFFICIAL statement about?
Petition and ask someone who actually makes and enforces the rules....namely CCP.
Don't ask a bunch of fellow players how rules should be interpreted...as with 1001 players, you will get 1001 different opinions. there are millions of other issues where OP would instantly get a correct and detailed answer on the forums, some of them just as obscure as the problem at hand. i fail to see how he would know the difference between his question and the other ones.
as for the problem at hand: my gut feeling tells me that you could get away with keeping the ship, but you would have made an enemy in the process. filing a ticket is still a good idea, also don't forget to tell us how it went.
I should buy an Ishtar.
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Primary Suspect
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:06:04 -
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I think this can be described as " Didn't need that capship anyway " . Enjoy ur gift, bro. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
916
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:07:03 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:You have two options. Be the good guy and return it or be a proper EVE player and laugh all the way to the bank. Your choice. Mr Epeen
Actually, those two options only apply after OP has been given green light by CCP.
To my knowledge, rules on Character trades are very strict so petitioning that whole matter first is really the way to go!
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:34:28 -
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Daniel Plain wrote:J'Poll wrote:Uhm...
May I ask why you come to a community forum when this is something you want OFFICIAL statement about?
Petition and ask someone who actually makes and enforces the rules....namely CCP.
Don't ask a bunch of fellow players how rules should be interpreted...as with 1001 players, you will get 1001 different opinions. there are millions of other issues where OP would instantly get a correct and detailed answer on the forums, some of them just as obscure as the problem at hand. i fail to see how he would know the difference between his question and the other ones. as for the problem at hand: my gut feeling tells me that you could get away with keeping the ship, but you would have made an enemy in the process. filing a ticket is still a good idea, also don't forget to tell us how it went.
Difference being...
That if you do something illegal with a character transfer, it gets you banned...
So in those cases, it's better to be safe then sorry and just ask CCP directly (also, so that you have an official answer that you can present when **** hits the fan, opposed to "But the forum people said....")
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6870
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Posted - 2014.12.03 17:44:38 -
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Nerath Naaris wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:You have two options. Be the good guy and return it or be a proper EVE player and laugh all the way to the bank. Your choice. Mr Epeen Actually, those two options only apply after OP has been given green light by CCP. To my knowledge, rules on Character trades are very strict so petitioning that whole matter first is really the way to go!
Sure. Petition it to be sure.
But I can tell you, as someone that has been character trading for seven years that it's going to be fine. Unless something has been changed.
I've been on both sides of that situation on plenty of occasions. As long as the items left on the character were done so by accident or stupidity, the buyer gets to keep them.
The only time a GM will pull something from a sold character is if the seller has forgotten to transfer the ISK used to purchase it.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Daniel Plain
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
2192
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Posted - 2014.12.03 18:45:10 -
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fwiw: i once accidentally sold a char with 30 frigates+fittings in his hangar. never saw them again.
I should buy an Ishtar.
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Ellen Madullier
Flipsiders
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:01:31 -
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I'd petition it! Don't do anything out of the kindness of your heart in this game. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4394
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Posted - 2014.12.03 23:38:17 -
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Items are not included in a character transfer. Return it.
Really, it isn't worth the hassle of dealing with CCP. |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
384
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:31:24 -
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Here is my experience. I recently sold a character that had all the shares to my alt corporation on it (I know, I'm a tool ). I petitioned it and CCP returned those shares to me. Assets are not allowed to be transferred as part of a character sale, and CCP will reclaim those assets if the original owner barks about it. You're better off just giving it back to him before the GMs get involved.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
384
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:32:44 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Nerath Naaris wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:You have two options. Be the good guy and return it or be a proper EVE player and laugh all the way to the bank. Your choice. Mr Epeen Actually, those two options only apply after OP has been given green light by CCP. To my knowledge, rules on Character trades are very strict so petitioning that whole matter first is really the way to go! Sure. Petition it to be sure. But I can tell you, as someone that has been character trading for seven years that it's going to be fine. Unless something has been changed. I've been on both sides of that situation on plenty of occasions. As long as the items left on the character were done so by accident or stupidity, the buyer gets to keep them. The only time a GM will pull something from a sold character is if the seller has forgotten to transfer the ISK used to purchase it. Mr Epeen My personal experience tells me this isn't always the case. Of course, as with many things in Eve, it depends on which GM you get and on what day.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6881
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Posted - 2014.12.04 21:15:18 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote: Of course, as with many things in Eve, it depends on which GM you get and on what day.
That's certainly been my experience as well.
On top of that, how you communicate with them. Polite and coherent as opposed to all-caps nonsensical raging will affect the outcome in most cases.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3952
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Posted - 2014.12.05 00:49:56 -
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Don't use the Rhea in the interim. Petition it and let a GM decide.
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