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CCP Fozzie
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.03 13:46:29 -
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Hello folks.
Some of you will have noticed that insurance payouts for T2 ships have decreased starting today (December 3rd). This is an intentional change, designed to counteract the higher-than-desired increase in insurance payouts that resulted from the Crius industry changes.
You should expect insurance payouts for Tech 2 ships to now be a bit closer to what they had been pre-Crius.
This change isn't tied to any release since the insurance values recalculate on Tranquility on their own. Today just happens to be recalculation day.
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Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
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Posted - 2014.12.03 13:49:57 -
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I've never found insuring a T2 ship to be worthwhile. *shrug* to each their own.
CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.
CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP
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H3llHound
Koshaku Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2014.12.03 13:56:30 -
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But why the big drop again? Afaik payout depends on the materials used. There hasnt been much changes there.
Why not leave it a bit higher? ship losses were alot easier to compensate and promote the usage of t2 ships and loose them |
BadAssMcKill
ElitistOps
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Posted - 2014.12.03 13:57:16 -
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Booooo |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
2991
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Posted - 2014.12.03 13:57:36 -
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happy insurance recalculation day.
does that mean that things like SOE ships have now hull values on killmails?
eve style bounties (done)
dust boarding parties
imagine there is war and everybody cloaks - join FW
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Grookshank
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.12.03 13:58:16 -
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Thanks for the info. |
Tobias Frank
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Posted - 2014.12.03 13:58:29 -
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:'( |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
833
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Posted - 2014.12.03 13:59:08 -
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Makari Aeron wrote:I've never found insuring a T2 ship to be worthwhile. *shrug* to each their own. Recently it was, for certain things that you just knew were going to get exploded. Fleet Sabres, being a good example. They insured for about 6.8 mil, and paid out about 21.6 mil. Not exactly a windfall, but it was definitely nice for a hull that has a fleet survival rate somewhere around "Rifter being flown straight at a Tengu fleet".
Not at home right this second, so I can't see the adjusted payout for it. |
Daenna Chrysi
Omega Foundry Unit The Ditanian Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.03 13:59:41 -
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Makari Aeron wrote:I've never found insuring a T2 ship to be worthwhile. *shrug* to each their own.
Yeah, this is true, they just are not worth insuring. For one by the time people can afford to fly them they usually can afford to lose them as well. |
Kassasis Dakkstromri
Yumping Amok Circle-Of-Two
271
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:04:40 -
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EVE Needs insurance regulation...
CCP you are bad at EVE... Stop potential silliness ~ Solo Wulf
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Ian Praetorius
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
42
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:07:47 -
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Pre-Crius: T2 insurance a joke, nobody even bothers because it's like 5% of the hull value. Everything working as intended.
Crius: T2 insurance accidentally starts making sense. Obviously a bug, and not a feature.
Rhea: T2 insurance again rendered worthless. Presumably due to the outcry among players about being able to insure their ships. Everything working as intended once more.
:ccp: |
Makari Aeron
The Shadow's Of Eve TSOE Consortium
144
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:09:58 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Makari Aeron wrote:I've never found insuring a T2 ship to be worthwhile. *shrug* to each their own. Recently it was, for certain things that you just knew were going to get exploded. Fleet Sabres, being a good example. They insured for about 6.8 mil, and paid out about 21.6 mil. Not exactly a windfall, but it was definitely nice for a hull that has a fleet survival rate somewhere around "Rifter being flown straight at a Tengu fleet". Not at home right this second, so I can't see the adjusted payout for it.
Good to know. I guess I just remember the days when people would insure Drakes and destroy the outside of stations just to get the insurance payout since it was more than the ship was worth. Nowadays, I just don't find insurance to be worthwhile. But I also don't do big fleet roams. usually just gate camps....and if you lose a ship there 9 times out of 10 you dun goofed and deserved to lose it.
TL;DR: I haven't insured a ship in at least 3 years. Looked at it but decided "meh"
CCP RedDawn: Ugly people are just playing life on HARD mode. Personally, I'm playing on an INFERNO difficulty.
CCP Goliath: I often believe that the best way to get something done is to shout at the person trying to help you. http://goo.gl/PKGDP
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Querns
GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation
1195
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:12:26 -
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I'd like to take this time to echo my request for a public CREST endpoint that exposes insurance values for ships. More details here: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=384317&find=unread
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Dodo Veetee
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
4
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:23:06 -
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Right when you start making sense, you show us the good old :ccp: that we all hate.
Thanks. |
Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace Unsettled.
170
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:29:06 -
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Daenna Chrysi wrote:Makari Aeron wrote:I've never found insuring a T2 ship to be worthwhile. *shrug* to each their own. Yeah, this is true, they just are not worth insuring. For one by the time people can afford to fly them they usually can afford to lose them as well.
haha
Insurance is free money, whether you can afford to replace or not is hilariously irrelevant. Not insuring ships is biomassing ISK.
However, now we're back to when insuring T2 doesn't really make much difference.
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Canenald
Rubella Solaris Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:29:54 -
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How can people keep saying that it's not worth insuring t2 ships? Insurance pays out more than you invest in any system, pre-Crius, post-Crius or post-now. You ship is going to explode before the insurance expires = it's worth insuring regardless of the hull cost.
A ship actively used in pvp is most likely going to explode before the insurance runs out.
Now, if you are carebearing highsec pve then yeah, ships most likely aren't worth insuring, but if you are carebearing in highsec and even thinking you might need insurance you are probably doing it wrong. |
Kal Kendor
Freeport Ratting Appreciation Guild Phoebe Freeport Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:30:08 -
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Why not just remove the ability to insure T2 ships, probably less work :^) |
Ian Praetorius
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:34:10 -
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Canenald wrote:How can people keep saying that it's not worth insuring t2 ships? Insurance pays out more than you invest in any system, pre-Crius, post-Crius or post-now. You ship is going to explode before the insurance expires = it's worth insuring regardless of the hull cost.
A ship actively used in pvp is most likely going to explode before the insurance runs out.
Now, if you are carebearing highsec pve then yeah, ships most likely aren't worth insuring, but if you are carebearing in highsec and even thinking you might need insurance you are probably doing it wrong.
The opportunity cost / effort of clicking those buttons is easily twice the value of the Pre-Crius ISK payout. |
fudface
ACME-INC
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:36:36 -
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What is this pointless thing you call "in sewer ants"?
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1448
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:49:10 -
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High insurance payouts were better.
Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
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TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Almost Awesome.
317
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Posted - 2014.12.03 14:57:27 -
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Why not just remove insurance from non-industrial ships? |
Ariana Industrialis
Society of Penguins
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Posted - 2014.12.03 15:00:42 -
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Fozzie, what do you plan to do for the guys who insured their T2 hull yesterday at high insurance cost, and will now lose money on insurance because payout is now much lower ?
Practical exemple:
Insure paladin yesteday, costs 350m payout 800m.
Die in paladin today, payout 275m. Doesn't even cover the cost of the insurance, let alone any of the hull. |
Xeleonn
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.12.03 15:09:06 -
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Rabble rabble rabble! |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2014.12.03 15:12:29 -
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Can I insure my pod and implants. It'll sting less if I get some cash back when I'm podded, also it would stop me from ripping my implants out my head before I die.
Yaay!!!!
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Jin So
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2014.12.03 15:21:32 -
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w00t back to condors |
Theon Severasse
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2014.12.03 15:38:40 -
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Nice work bringing a really good change that made a lot of people happy, and then pulling the rug out from under their feet.
It's really the EVE way if you think about it, this is just another scam... |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
55
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Posted - 2014.12.03 15:39:52 -
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I know the day was to come when you said so in Vegas, ... but a warning would have been nice, insured some T2 hulls yesterday :(
Seriously, what's the reasoning behind low insurance payouts for T2 hulls?
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Grookshank
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
38
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Posted - 2014.12.03 15:47:37 -
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Dodo Veetee wrote:Right when you start making sense, you show us the good old :ccp: that we all hate.
Thanks. Don't be so harsh, we get a corp invite spam function in replacement. |
Aerie Evingod
Midwest Miners LLC
110
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Posted - 2014.12.03 15:55:39 -
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Ariana Industrialis wrote:Fozzie, what do you plan to do for the guys who insured their T2 hull yesterday at high insurance cost, and will now lose money on insurance because payout is now much lower ?
Practical exemple:
Insure paladin yesteday, costs 350m payout 800m.
Die in paladin today, payout 275m. Doesn't even cover the cost of the insurance, let alone any of the hull.
I was under the impression the insurance rates and payout was determined when the ship was insured, not when it blew up. |
Esharan
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
119
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Posted - 2014.12.03 15:56:24 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hello folks.
Some of you will have noticed that insurance payouts for T2 ships have decreased starting today (December 3rd). This is an intentional change, designed to counteract the higher-than-desired increase in insurance payouts that resulted from the Crius industry changes.
You should expect insurance payouts for Tech 2 ships to now be a bit closer to what they had been pre-Crius.
This change isn't tied to any release since the insurance values recalculate on Tranquility on their own. Today just happens to be recalculation day.
Too bad, this was a great QoL change...I wont fly T2 ships as often now because of it...It's kind of counter-intuitive, considering all the changes they are making to get people to fly more dangerously (e.g. clone changes) but then they do this - which is the total opposite of that QoL momentum.
Reconsider please? It's fun being able to fly more expensive stuff - there's still a loss if you die, just not as severe - with this change I just wont fly expensive T2 stuff meh. |
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