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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.04 01:14:20 -
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I would like to see the end of the CSM. There are exceptions but by and large I feel mostly it is used to put forward the interests of the large voting blocks. I am in null sec but I don't think we should have the largest say just because we have managed to form into large groups. There is a lack of equal representation and the first time I spoke out about this was when Mittens was looking to gain the most votes
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=70255
I said things like
Quote:Goons just zerg and try to mess with people. The mechanics make that easy and a lot of people like to do it. So in hind site it is obvious that so many troglodytes would gravitate toward each other. That; people often fear.
Now alliances like Rooks and Kings or Volition Cult? They are far more interesting, making smaller fleets and standing toe to toe with the horde. That; I can respect.
Let me refresh your memories on how it all turned out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbYNLmtAMAw
So, when you vote for me you vote for three things:
- The abolishment of CSM
- The ability to put in a vote of no confidence on a candidate
- ... and the representation / increased awareness for the miners and indy pilots that get paper bags to fly.
As an example, it would be funny to have a reverse Hulkageddon, where for one week, strip miner modules can strip one module out of another ship (then need to be repaired at a station) so long as an asteroid is also being targetted. Just imagine when those guys warp into a fleet of you and expect you to go flying off like startled pigeons; only to have the modules vanish from their ship and they have to try escape before the drones get them!
I am not perfect, I am not well known but I have convictions and dedication.
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Dradis Aulmais
Ignite Llc. V.L.A.S.T
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Posted - 2014.12.04 02:51:05 -
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No
I find the csm a usefull voice for players with out them I see us being wow like where the company does what it wants with little input from the base.
A vote of no confidence would allow the very large voting blocks you mention to remove csm that disagree with them
I like hulkageddon as a novelty idea, but not enough to vote for you.
Good luck with the campaign.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.04 03:06:15 -
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Paid GMs can weigh up the feedback, consolidate it and give it to the teams. That way it will be impartial and without vested interests.
The most even handed of players would still have a bias.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.04 13:35:39 -
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I think if there were a negative vote, you would have one and again one positive vote. ( Keeping it in balance with the EVE universe. ) I feel that it would play out like this (random numbers follow):
3000 Goons vote for their leader 1000 CoalitionB vote for MrXexy 500 Goons vote against MrXexy 2500 Goons vote against other CSMs 20 000 high sec dwellers vote against Goons 5000 vote high sec dwellers vote for MrXexy
Total MrXexy 5500 and Goons -17000
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Alan Mathison
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2014.12.04 16:06:13 -
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Jenshae:
As an old boss of mine used to quote to me many times, "Democracy is the worst form of government...except for all the others."
Yes, democracy and the CSM are far from perfect, I agree. History has shown, however, that the CSM has been effective in stopping the abuses that spawn it, so that can be seen as a win.
I've been through some of the earlier posts that you referenced and find problems there as well. You don't seem to offer any reasonable alternative to the CSM, and a few of your ideas, such as making sure someone is "qualified" to be on the CSM either don't work on the face of it, or need to be far more developed.
You may be right that large voting blocks control the CSM, but I am not convinced. If, however, that is the case, I think a reasonable stab at the situation might be to improve the apathy and misconceptions that the player base has about the CSM.
What do you think?
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Alan Mathison
Proud Sophmore, EVE University
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corebloodbrothers
Volition Cult The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2014.12.04 17:30:11 -
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freedom of speech matters but ffs, u are in my alliance lol, your voice is your own ofc, not mine nor provi bloc Goodluck |
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
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Posted - 2014.12.04 18:17:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:20 000 high sec dwellers vote
If you can actually make that happen, you have a heretofore undiscovered talent.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
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Lorelei Ierendi
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.04 18:30:19 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:20 000 high sec dwellers vote If you can actually make that happen, you have a heretofore undiscovered talent.
That's the problem.
I would actually like to see a possibility of actively voting for "no one", so people can show that they are interested, but can't/don't/won't support any current candidate.
Hello, world!
Lorelei for CSM!
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=386664
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GOB the Magician
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.04 18:51:55 -
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You have my votes OP. Let's do this! |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.05 00:53:43 -
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One thing to fix would be these #$%@ing forums! I just wrote three full replies and it threw them away because it throught there was some html in it somewhere, rather than just leaving it there and maybe high lighting what it does not like.
Alan Mathison wrote: As an old boss of mine used to quote to me many times, "Democracy is the worst form of government...except for all the others." {snip} You may be right that large voting blocks control the CSM, but I am not convinced. If, however, that is the case, I think a reasonable stab at the situation might be to improve the apathy and misconceptions that the player base has about the CSM.
What do you think?
I am still in the process of writing a book on how to take societies forward into a Technocratic Meritocracy with Socialistic tendencies. How could Technocratic structures be applied to EVE? CCP are fantastic at analysing the data that we produce, market trends, ship usage, some really bizarre stuff too. It wouldn't be beyond possible to analyse who are the most active and in what types of space. There are aspects to it, how many lead fleets, how many do it without having roles, how many corp or alliance leaders are out there ratting, mining and such with their teams. The scope is boundless. Thus, it would be possible to seek people out and approach them to run for CSM.
"Those that seek power are often the worst to hold it." (Yes, I know CSM doesn't really have all that much, relatively speaking and yes that is more of a RL thing) Additionally, to misquote The Poet, "Some are born to represent, some strive to represent, and some have the role thrust upon them." Give me more of the third upon the first and curb the second.
CCP could send out messages in all local chats. A pop up much like the Down Time message could come up three times a day for three days leading up to the final vote.
corebloodbrothers wrote:freedom of speech matters but ffs, u are in my alliance lol, your voice is your own ofc, not mine nor provi bloc Goodluck I doubt that I shall garner more than a few votes tossed at me; as nothing more than a lark. As I said in your thread, you have my vote. I probably won't get past this stage but hopefully there will be some discussion toward maybe getting CCP to stop serving up victims that don't have a chance against a little gang of thugs. We need more ability to fight back AND save ships!
Lorelei Ierendi wrote: I would actually like to see a possibility of actively voting for "no one", so people can show that they are interested, but can't/don't/won't support any current candidate.
That is exactly one aspect that I strive for with this. Thank you.
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Lanctharus Onzo
Alea Iacta Est Universal Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.12.09 03:23:59 -
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Well hello there!
My name is Lanctharus Onzo and I am one of the co-host and writers of the Cap Stable Podcast.
In early 2014 our podcast interviewed a great majority of the candidates for CSM9 and we will be doing the same for CSM10.
Here is our announcement: http://capstable.net/2014/12/01/council-of-stellar-management-x-call-for-candidate-interviews/
As we stated in the announcement, you can contact us to schedule your one on one interview via any of the following methods:
Email: [email protected] Twitter: @CapStable Or via our contact form
We look forward to speaking to you about your particular skill set and expertise in EVE Online and we hope you success in your candidacy.
Sincerely,
Lanctharus Onzo Co-host & Writer of the Cap Stable Podcast Military Director, Alea Iacta Est Universal
Writer, Co-host of the Cap Stable Podcast
Twitter: @Lanctharus
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.09 15:31:15 -
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Started a blog and updated the orginal post to try reflect a more considered approach.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Darth Terona
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:38:10 -
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you have to be trolling.
for starters, if you think battleships are weak, then mail me in game and you can fight mine.
the rest of it must be a troll.. No sir, I dont like your version of eve at all.
your rantings sound like the rattles of a teen with too much time on her hands.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.10 13:47:40 -
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Darth Terona wrote: You know what eve needs? MOAR PONIES!!!!
Know how the Gurista logo is on some ships? I can get on board with some ponies on a ship. Little easter egg for those that zoom in far enough.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2051
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Posted - 2014.12.11 15:54:03 -
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I admire your enthusiasm for balancing out the power, but removing the CSM is really just going to put EVE back to the way it used to be, when it was more like other games and CCP didn't hear the voices of the playerbase. I think there really is less imbalance in allowing nullsec blocs to control the voting power than you think. For instance, it was not until The Mittani went into the CSM (CSM 6) that the game development took its major swerve away from adding new features and into fixing what was available. He may have taken a little too much credit for everything that happened, but his efforts were no doubt instrumental in things that most would say really benefited people outside of nullsec, like the industrial and mining barge updates. And while he didn't focus on the wormhole aspects, he demonstrated that a player voice can matter, and then there was an outpouring of voices which eventually led to the major turn toward giving wormhole gameplay some love in CSM 8 and 9.
I think the best way to get good representation is to make sure everyone knows how to make their voice heard. For newer or less experienced players (which highsec has a larger number of), that involves taking them under our wings one by one and showing them the ropes. I've also seen a trend among the longer term highsec players in that many of them are unaware of what goes on in the rest of the game. Perhaps another big way to help get them contributing and taking advantage of the power they have is to make better ways of informing them. Maybe player-run news corporations that control in-game banners in high security space. But I think the biggest cause of unfair representation is uneven awareness of what a person can do.
Darth Terona wrote:for starters, if you think battleships are weak, then mail me in game and you can fight mine. Poor argument, you haven't compared battleships except for a generalized taunt that in a one-on-one, you believe you would win. Ship balance isn't all about one-on-one fights, and even when it is, different pilots still have different skills (in-game and as a player) and different access to other valuable bonuses. You winning against another ship in your battleship proves nothing about their viability. Statistically speaking, battleships are underused in most PVP-combat-heavy areas in EVE.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.11 17:34:07 -
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Your post history is full of making gamebreakingly bad suggestions. And little else.
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Oh, and a little tip? Defining yourself solely in opposition to something does not actually comprise having any substance. Since you pretty much have nothing but "Grr Nullsec!" and your horrendously bad ideas to recommend you... you might consider trying to stake out an actual position before running for CSM.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Schmata Bastanold
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2014.12.11 18:36:26 -
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Darth Terona wrote: You know what eve needs? MOA PONIES!!!!
FRAKK YEAH! BRING TEH PONIEZ!
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2051
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:36:23 -
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Darth Terona wrote:You know what eve needs? MOA PONIES!!!! I also would like to see ponies on the Moa.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.11 20:12:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Oh, and a little tip? ... you might consider trying to stake out an actual position before running for CSM. This thread isn't even two pages long and you missed something. I have no hope of becoming a CSM. That is not why I am doing this.
Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Darth Terona wrote:for starters, if you think battleships are weak, then mail me in game and you can fight mine. You winning against another ship in your battleship proves nothing about their viability. Statistically speaking, battleships are underused in most PVP-combat-heavy areas in EVE. I admire your enthusiasm for balancing out the power, but removing the CSM ... I've also seen a trend among the longer term highsec players in that many of them are unaware of what goes on in the rest of the game. Perhaps another big way to help get them contributing and taking advantage of the power they have is to make better ways of informing them.
I can't think of anyone that wasn't disappointed when they realised how flimsy battleships are the first time.
Quite happy to settle for a vote of no confidence in a candidate and have struck out the lines that people seem to get so hung up on.
This CSM section should be linked in every local chat channel right now as a MoTD.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2051
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Posted - 2014.12.11 20:24:43 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:This thread isn't even two pages long and you missed something. I have no hope of becoming a CSM. That is not why I am doing this. I believe it's in the rules that in order to run you must be prepared to win a seat. If you want to express ideas to the CSM, there is the assembly hall for that. If you wish to express ideas about the CSM or candidates to other players who may be voters soon, then you might better spend your time replying to the CSM candidacy threads.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.11 20:31:00 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:This thread isn't even two pages long and you missed something. I have no hope of becoming a CSM. That is not why I am doing this. I believe it's in the rules that in order to run you must be prepared to win a seat. If you want to express ideas to the CSM, there is the assembly hall for that. If you wish to express ideas about the CSM or candidates to other players who may be voters soon, then you might better spend your time replying to the CSM candidacy threads.
If I accidentally win it I will take it most seriously. I just find it highly improbable and am using the soap box while I have it.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.12.11 20:32:29 -
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I've seen other candidates do that, but most of them don't broadcast that little fact.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.11 20:35:57 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:I've seen other candidates do that, but most of them don't broadcast that little fact.
I am one of those rare people. Honest. Completely unsuited for "playing the game" and smoozing up to people. I get frustrated when people are playing silly social games and just want to get the job done. Thus, I am a terrible politician but I might be the best bureaucrat you could ever hope for.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.11 21:51:39 -
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So... since you have gone ahead and admitted that you just posted this here as a gag to try and drum attention for your awful ideas...
reported for several things.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.11 23:38:35 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So... since you have gone ahead and admitted that you just posted this here as a gag to try and drum attention for your awful ideas...
reported for several things.
Reported for comprehension problems.
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.12.12 00:20:25 -
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Quote:5. Trolling is prohibited.
Trolling is a defined as a post that is deliberately designed for the purpose of angering and insulting other players in an attempt to incite retaliation or an emotional response. Posts of this nature are disruptive, often abusive, and do not contribute to the sense of community that CCP promote. Thread closed.
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ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.12.12 12:39:38 -
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I have removed a rule breaking post and the one quoting it.
The Rules: 27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.12 15:36:10 -
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ISD Ezwal wrote:Edit for clarification: If a person complies to the requirements to run for CSM is only for CCP to decide, as the forum moderators have no access to private information of the players, or access to information on or about their player accounts for that matter. And quite rightfully so I might add. The only thing we can (and will!) make decisions upon is if a character has broken the forum rules.
I confess that I am pleasantly surprised. Thank you very much.
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Mike Azariah
DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited
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Posted - 2014.12.12 17:18:32 -
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I have said in the past that running is a great way to influence the direction of the discussion and thinking of the CSM and even CCP . . . win or lose. So I think it is fine that Jen runs and uses this platform to make the points that he/she feels need making.
Make the Voters think, Make the other candidates think.
Good goals
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Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:08:49 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:I have said in the past that running is a great way to influence the direction of the discussion and thinking of the CSM and even CCP . . . win or lose. So I think it is fine that Jen runs and uses this platform to make the points that he/she feels need making.
Make the Voters think, Make the other candidates think.
Good goals
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Mike, thank you.
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