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Vildrin
Drakons Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.04 19:42:45 -
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I'm looking for advise while I plan my skill training. Should I train my alt or my main for the Rorqual or should I just simply use two hulks? |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
294
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Posted - 2014.12.04 19:46:17 -
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Statistically 2 hulks provide a better return than a Rorqual and a Hulk. However more importantly, 0.0 is about having friends you trust. Everything in 0.0 needs protection. If you have the protection required to allow you to mine safely then diving into 0.0 will be fun. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7435
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Posted - 2014.12.04 19:46:47 -
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I thought nobody mines in null.
G˙+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
294
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Posted - 2014.12.04 19:47:56 -
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Doc Fury wrote:I thought nobody mines in null.
I saw an Orca and 2 hulks on dscan in Catch the other day. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.12.04 19:49:24 -
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There seems to be some disconnect between the title of the thread and your question, but I'm guessing you are heading to nullsec to mine and want to know which is better a Rorqual/Hulk combination or a Hulk/Hulk combination.
I don't mine, so this is pretty amateurish advice, but I think the Hulk/Hulk combination will probably still out mine a boosted Hulk.
Could be wrong though.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2014.12.04 19:52:50 -
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Doc Fury wrote:I thought nobody mines in null.
Sov null has quite a number of people mining. Assuming that CCP continue on their path to strengthen nullsec industry, hopefully even more take to mining in null too.
They aren't the juiciest of kills, but when you are flying in sov null, it's very empty. If you can come across anyone, it's worth killing.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6880
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Posted - 2014.12.04 19:54:21 -
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Vildrin wrote:I'm looking for advise while I plan my skill training. Should I train my alt or my main for the Rorqual or should I just simply use two hulks?
You could train a fleet of Hulk pilots in the time it takes to train one of those POS hugging pi+Ĥatas. I'd do the Hulk only option.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:02:18 -
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Vildrin wrote:I'm looking for advise while I plan my skill training. Should I train my alt or my main for the Rorqual or should I just simply use two hulks?
If you're looking to mine, don't go to null.
Mine veldspar in high sec.
... and no, I'm not kidding or trolling ...
I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it.
- Bill Frug
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Medalyn Isis
Aliastra Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:07:53 -
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The skiff is the best mining ship for null. And if you are doing any kind of mining in null then a Rorqual is essential really, either your own or someone in your corp/alliance. |
Vildrin
Drakons Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:08:02 -
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I was looking to set myself up as a miner and branch out from there to other aspects of 0.0, should I focus more on the combat side of 0.0 and if I do chose to mine 0.0 just use the 2 x hulks (already trained)
Issue I have with high sec mining is that mission running is much quicker method of building Isk. |
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Medalyn Isis
Aliastra Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:10:40 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Statistically 2 hulks provide a better return than a Rorqual and a Hulk. However more importantly, 0.0 is about having friends you trust. Everything in 0.0 needs protection. If you have the protection required to allow you to mine safely then diving into 0.0 will be fun. A rorqual doubles yield of fleet, so a Rorqual is equal to having another hulk as the hulk will be doing double the yield. Assuming max skills and no mining drones. |
Medalyn Isis
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:14:23 -
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Vildrin wrote:I was looking to set myself up as a miner and branch out from there to other aspects of 0.0, should I focus more on the combat side of 0.0 and if I do chose to mine 0.0 just use the 2 x hulks (already trained)
Issue I have with high sec mining is that mission running is much quicker method of building Isk. Mining is generally pretty terrible in terms of isk in null sec. That being said if you can somehow get a system going with an active corp alongside making sure you are protected from external threats by agreements with those around, and then using the materials you get to produce from, then you could make mining work; but it would be a very long hard road with much easier return if you go the ratting/mission/plex route. |
Vildrin
Drakons Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:14:58 -
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If I was to choose the Rorq route would you train your alt or your main for it? |
Medalyn Isis
Aliastra Gallente Federation
459
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:18:15 -
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Vildrin wrote:If I was to choose the Rorq route would you train your alt or your main for it? It depends what you want your main to do. You get a lot of additional stuff when training the rorqual such as jump drive / drone / tanking / fleet boosting skills which could be useful on a main character.
If you are just starting though then a rorqual is a long train though so I'd recommend setting some short term goals initially. |
Vildrin
Drakons Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:26:08 -
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Not a new pilot, I've got 56 mill skill points on my main and 42 mill on my alt and this is a long term goal not a short term one, I could likely easily rat in 0.0
I've also got another alt with 32 mill (max Orca boosting pilot) not sure which account I wanted to transfer him to yet my alt or main still have 2 weeks to decide on that.) |
Vildrin
Drakons Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:36:54 -
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Thanks for the input everyone given me a few more things to consider before starting a mining plan |
Robert Sawyer
Red Phoenix Rising Absolution Alliance
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Posted - 2014.12.04 20:39:55 -
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Doc Fury wrote:I thought nobody mines in null.
I'm seeing you everywhere, are you some kind of troll?
"And when, at last, the moment is yours, that agony will become your greatest triumph."
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Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.12.04 21:01:21 -
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Vildrin wrote:I was looking to set myself up as a miner and branch out from there to other aspects of 0.0, should I focus more on the combat side of 0.0 and if I do chose to mine 0.0 just use the 2 x hulks (already trained)
Issue I have with high sec mining is that mission running is much quicker method of building Isk.
If you're looking to make isk in null, mining is not the way to go.
Train up your drone skills, get a Dominix and run anomalies.
I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it.
- Bill Frug
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Moor Deybe
Lom Corporation Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2014.12.04 21:02:14 -
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Any decent Industrial / Mining Corp in null will have fleets up 24/7 with full boosts, and nearby POSes and intel channels for your safety, so you shouldn't need the Rorqual.
I couldn't really recommend the Hulks either, they're just too squishy, and with wormholes spawning more and more these days, Procurers and Skiffs are the much more resilient and make more sense.
If you want a few corp suggestions in Outer Passage depending on where you are on the scale of 'Full Care Bear' to more PVP orientated, feel free to email me in game.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
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Posted - 2014.12.04 21:36:24 -
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Vildrin wrote:Thanks for the input everyone given me a few more things to consider before starting a mining plan
Have you considered.. I don't know.. not mining? I can think of almost nothing as boring as mining, except maybe watching off-white paint dry.. although if it was oil-based, the fumes would probably make the whole thing more enjoyable.. so I guess that's out. Snail racing might be.. no.. that gets pretty intense near the end.. Wait what abou... no.. that's just.. Theres got to be something more boring than mining.. theres.. theres just gotta..
hmm... this.. will take some thought.
I shall now construct a computer that shall calculate the answer.
42.
Nope.. 42 is much more interesting than mining. Im trashing this thing. Im starting to think that all computers once they get over a certain size and complexity will inevitably just spit out 42 as the answer.. This actually makes me a little worried for the future of star travel with the human race. I mean, we will need huge complex computers to run system operations and control the things.. and it would really suck if the AI core that is supposed to save your life just one day goes.. 42. Well that's freakin helpful! Were spiraling towards a black hole quasar particle filament borg streaming graviton wave.. how the **** is 42 helping me right now?
ANSWER MEE!!!! *slams computer*
Computer freezes. Great.. now under full gravitational quantum tidi.. I need to somehow ctrl-alt-del.. WHY ARE WE STILL USING WINDOWS ON THIS THING??!?!?!?! BSOD. Great. I guess 42 was the amount of RAM this thing had installed. Well thank you Microsoft.. I know this damn computer deserved spagettifcation, but I certainly didn't. All that's left to do is take a selfie and post to face book with a caption of "Black holes suck.". I better not forget to like my own facebook post before I become compressed into a speck of infinite smallness.. or be launched into another part of space.. could go either way I guess. Anyways, im sure itll be better than mining.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Vildrin
Drakons Inc
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Posted - 2014.12.04 21:40:45 -
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I think I'm leaning more towards the pvp/combat side of 0.0 after listening to others, I'll do some research and figure out what I want my alt to do for me in 0.0 space, worst case I already have mining/missions to fall back if I need to. |
Kagehisa Shintaro
We Make Weapons
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Posted - 2014.12.05 21:39:11 -
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Vildrin wrote:Not a new pilot, I've got 56 mill skill points on my main and 42 mill on my alt and this is a long term goal not a short term one, I could likely easily rat in 0.0
I've also got another alt with 32 mill (max Orca boosting pilot) not sure which account I wanted to transfer him to yet my alt or main still have 2 weeks to decide on that.)
Train the Orca alt into the Rorqual if you really want to fly a Rorqual. When I first started, I fell in love with Ore ships, esp the Rorqual. Trained my main exclusively for it. That held me back big time. But having 3 Rorqual Pilots now (only use 1 atm though) I can move my own Mining Operation wherever I need and the Rorqual makes for a good poor mans JF (though limited by range and fatigue now ofc)
In Null, Skiffs if you are alone mining. Hulks if you are in Fleet Op. You can use Hulks effectively if you are attentative, but you then need a Hauler, warping in and out in Hulks is a pita. You could go with Mackinaws I guess, but the buff to Skiffs makes them the best imo.
Honestly though, train for a Dominix as a starting ratting ship and run anoms, it works well in any space. Train into better ships for running escalations. And in the meantime train for some PvP. If not for large scale fleet fights at least for some fun roams or something. The mining will be useful as most corps/alliances do run Ops to help towards producing, so you will get to mine some. But anoms will bring in the ISK faster.
Any company can ship. We space ship. - CCP Guard
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Yarda Black
Militaris Industries Northern Coalition.
461
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Posted - 2014.12.05 23:17:31 -
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Just go for it. See what happens. If you really need a plan, make it then. |
Arkady Romanov
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
541
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Posted - 2014.12.06 00:00:38 -
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I generally suggest training in skills that increase your ability to shoot back and absorb damage. You're going to null sec, the only protection is what you take with you.
Those same skills can be used to rat and do missions.
Alternatively, depending on whether you join a big group or find a decent NPC nullsec population pocket, you can seed those stations with modules and make a decent turnaround. |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7457
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Posted - 2014.12.06 00:44:00 -
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Robert Sawyer wrote:Doc Fury wrote:I thought nobody mines in null.
I'm seeing you everywhere, are you some kind of troll?
I'm a wizard.
G˙+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Serene Repose
1710
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Posted - 2014.12.06 01:07:14 -
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Be sure you have Bullsh*tting ranked to at least IV. It seems to be a must.
Gankers are sociopaths who would rather use their time-in-place advantage to jump and one-shot a noob than fight straight-up someone who poses a challenge to them. If you need to call a ganker a "person," have at it. He is what he is.
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