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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:57:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:Jodis Talvanen wrote:You have the nice polished smaller font using in chat already, why do you not use it elsewhere in the UI? http://i.imgur.com/sJnMk.jpgnice and polished indeed .... B B S S O O?
Nope.
B 8 5 S 0 O To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
Barakkus
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:58:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Barakkus wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Barakkus wrote:The new font makes the game look like it's 10 years old. It's pretty awful. Seriously, just use Arial, Tahoma or some sort of San Serif. Heh, they even agree that the font doesn't look very "SciFi", but I'll take readability over style in this case. It doesn't even need to be sci-fi, just not look like something you would see on an Apple IIe or some crap. It's pretty horrible, makes the entire game look awful and it's no more readable than what we have now. Actually harder to read depending on how small you like your chat text. I can't go along with you there, after struggling (a lot) this past year to read EVE text I'm not having any difficulties what-so-ever reading the new one. That being said, I fully respect that everyone's eyes are different, and if they don't fall into the "normal" category others may have difficulties with it that I do not have.
It's actually very unreadable when you make it smaller. The spacing between the letters as certain sizes makes regular spaces indistinguishable, so everything looks like it was typed with no spaces.
This is the font I use for everything that would be a much better substitute: http://www.font-zone.com/download.php?fid=153 |
Korsiri
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2011.11.28 21:59:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:I haven't had that issue at all. In fact, the difficulty reading the old font with my aging eyes is a reason why I haven't been playing EVE as much... That and Skyrim.
This
Do NOT change new font please!!
The old one is killing me.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
396
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:02:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Barakkus wrote:Ranger 1 wrote:Barakkus wrote:The new font makes the game look like it's 10 years old. It's pretty awful. Seriously, just use Arial, Tahoma or some sort of San Serif. Heh, they even agree that the font doesn't look very "SciFi", but I'll take readability over style in this case. It doesn't even need to be sci-fi, just not look like something you would see on an Apple IIe or some crap. It's pretty horrible, makes the entire game look awful and it's no more readable than what we have now. Actually harder to read depending on how small you like your chat text. I can't go along with you there, after struggling (a lot) this past year to read EVE text I'm not having any difficulties what-so-ever reading the new one. That being said, I fully respect that everyone's eyes are different, and if they don't fall into the "normal" category others may have difficulties with it that I do not have. It's actually very unreadable when you make it smaller. The spacing between the letters as certain sizes makes regular spaces indistinguishable, so everything looks like it was typed with no spaces. This is the font I use for everything that would be a much better substitute: http://www.font-zone.com/download.php?fid=153
I probably haven't squeezed my font down that small and haven't noticed it. This thread will probably get CCP Punkturis attention on the issue. Sounds like spacing adjustments at least should be made.
I do like that font you linked, but the advertisement that pops up when you try to stop the deafeningly loud advertisement video is very annoying. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |
cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:02:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:Florestan Bronstein wrote:Jodis Talvanen wrote:You have the nice polished smaller font using in chat already, why do you not use it elsewhere in the UI? http://i.imgur.com/sJnMk.jpgnice and polished indeed .... B B S S O O?
No I think its 88 55 00 .... must be a code! oooooo o_0
:P |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:03:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:It's actually very unreadable when you make it smaller. The spacing between the letters as certain sizes makes regular spaces indistinguishable, so everything looks like it was typed with no spaces. This is the font I use for everything that would be a much better substitute: http://www.font-zone.com/download.php?fid=153
This is exactly my problem. Because I use the font at small sizes, they needs to be at least as readable as the old one.
But now they don't. CCP has put in some nice small fonts into chat with wide letter spacings, why can't you put them into everywhere else in the UI?
Please don't make it another half-done updates. Please make the small font readable thanks. |
Liam Mirren
26
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:09:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:The new font makes the game look like it's 10 years old. It's pretty awful. Seriously, just use Arial, Tahoma or some sort of San Serif.
Have to agree, the new font looks childish and is just as annoying as Comic Sans.
Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:09:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:I probably haven't squeezed my font down that small and haven't noticed it. This thread will probably get CCP Punkturis attention on the issue. Sounds like spacing adjustments at least should be made. I do like that font you linked, but the advertisement that pops up when you try to stop the deafeningly loud advertisement video is very annoying.
Yeah I try to maximize the amount of text in my chat windows because I have timestamps enabled and don't like having giant chat windows, my windows take up enough real estate as it is. http://www.randomhost.org/eveui.jpg - which is even worse when I pvp, b/c I have local right next to the fleet window squished in there and the scanner open where my cargo is.
Sorry about the advertisements, I use chrome and have all plugins disabled by default, so I never see the ads.
There is a size that makes it quite readable and still small, just not as small as I would like it, and the names of people speaking are almost indistinguishable from the chat text. |
Solstice Project
Cult of Personality
206
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:13:00 -
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Barakkus wrote:Bank Gothic LT is a good choice actually but I think too many people would QQ about it, although I usually set up windows to use that font for everything every time I get a new computer.
That's one really nice font !
I usually never pay attention to the font, altough i recognize a bad one pretty easily. (haha ^^)
This one feels very good to my eyes, it's clear and distinct.
I'll download it and give it a go.
Thanks ! :D |
Barakkus
1101
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:15:00 -
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Yeah and it's sorta sci-fi lookin lol |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
466
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:19:00 -
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mr. OP
what fontsize are you using for your context menu? at least not the default one!
I would check myself to see what size is looking squashed like this but I'm at home and haven't gotten sisi set up there..
are you maybe scaling your UI to 90%? CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
421
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:19:00 -
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Eve neu sans narrow version I think is in order.
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Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:22:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:mr. OP
what fontsize are you using for your context menu? at least not the default one!
I would check myself to see what size is looking squashed like this but I'm at home and haven't gotten sisi set up there..
are you maybe scaling your UI to 90%?
Yes, I'm using UI 90%. And menu size 9.
The small fonts in chat (A- button) looks very nice compared to the same sized text anywhere else (the wide spacing is a NEED for the small text so +1 on that). Why you no make it universal? |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:23:00 -
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PS I'm a ms. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:25:00 -
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Quoting for relevance:
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Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:26:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:PS I'm a woman.
Ought to put it in your sig and wish for the best... though I gave up on any hopes of it a long time ago. EVE Online IdeaTorrent
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Liam Mirren
26
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:28:00 -
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That Bank Gothic is very nice and has a good "eve feel" about it. It's stylish, recognisable and easy on the eyes. I'd pay money to have that used. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude. |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
203
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:30:00 -
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You know I hated the new font on Sisi at first but now I got used to it. It's actually easier to read. Only problem now seems to be with the number 8 and the letter B. |
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CCP Punkturis
C C P C C P Alliance
466
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:31:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:mr. OP
what fontsize are you using for your context menu? at least not the default one!
I would check myself to see what size is looking squashed like this but I'm at home and haven't gotten sisi set up there..
are you maybe scaling your UI to 90%? Yes, I'm using UI 90%. And menu size 9. The small fonts in chat (A- button) looks very nice compared to the same sized text anywhere else (the wide spacing is a NEED for the small text so +1 on that). Why you no make it universal?
90% scaling does not work the same as when you make the text smaller in chat. This has been stated a few times on the forums as has it been explained that 90% is for those who are willing to loose some readability to more window space.
I think it's pretty unfair to post a pic of text where a lot has been changed in your settings (font size and scaling, specially 90% scaling) to prove your point of the font not being readable enough. If you want to use 90% scaling I recommend you use a larger fontsize in your context menus.
fly safe and have fun ms.! CCP Punkturis | EVE UI Developer |
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FeralShadow
Black Storm Cartel
19
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:32:00 -
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I like it, as long as I dont mess with the UI size. When the UI is smaller, it made it a bit hard to read but not bad honestly. |
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Psychophantic
115
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:32:00 -
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Cant stand the new font, especially the zeros.
I can understand why a change was needed, mainly so you could distinguish between characters like 0 and O. Oh wait, I can tell the difference here without a stroke through it that makes large lists of numbers with zeroes in them burn my eyes like hellfire.
$25us paypal donation to whoever comes up with a method for me to keep using the old font. PM. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:33:00 -
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CCP Punkturis wrote:Jodis Talvanen wrote:CCP Punkturis wrote:mr. OP
what fontsize are you using for your context menu? at least not the default one!
I would check myself to see what size is looking squashed like this but I'm at home and haven't gotten sisi set up there..
are you maybe scaling your UI to 90%? Yes, I'm using UI 90%. And menu size 9. The small fonts in chat (A- button) looks very nice compared to the same sized text anywhere else (the wide spacing is a NEED for the small text so +1 on that). Why you no make it universal? 90% scaling does not work the same as when you make the text smaller in chat. This has been stated a few times on the forums as has it been explained that 90% is for those who are willing to loose some readability to more window space. I think it's pretty unfair to post a pic of text where a lot has been changed in your settings (font size and scaling, specially 90% scaling) to prove your point of the font not being readable enough. If you want to use 90% scaling I recommend you use a larger fontsize in your context menus. fly safe and have fun ms.!
Can you please explain why the smaller font look so much nicer in chat than in the menu in this screenshot?
http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/1622/20111126133434.png
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/4994/20111126133511.png |
NickyYo
StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge
9
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:34:00 -
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CCP i'm guessing your changing the FONT to go with the new scenery, Just don't.
Everyone is use to the old font don't go changing crap like that instantly... It will **** a lot of people of, chat text is the game!
Remember LESS is MORE! That's what we always say in webdesign, don't go over the top with this Font change just change the scenery textures.
EDIT: Regarding the post above. CCP Do not use pure white text on dark background... |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:36:00 -
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Psychophantic wrote:Cant stand the new font, especially the zeros.
I can understand why a change was needed, mainly so you could distinguish between characters like 0 and O. Oh wait, I can tell the difference here without a stroke through it that makes large lists of numbers with zeroes in them burn my eyes like hellfire.
$25us paypal donation to whoever comes up with a method for me to keep using the old font. PM.
Please PM me as well, I also would like to choose my own font to use in EVE.
Will pay $30. |
Rixiu
North Star Networks The Kadeshi
29
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:39:00 -
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New font is awesome, some people are just trying to be special by intentionally trying to break stuff. How many will use 90% scaling with 9pt font anyway? Eagles? |
Aphoxema G
PONIES EVERYWHERE
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:39:00 -
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NickyYo wrote:CCP i'm guessing your changing the FONT to go with the new scenery, Just don't.
Everyone is use to the old font don't go changing crap like that instantly... It will **** a lot of people of, chat text is the game!
Remember LESS is MORE! That's what we always say in webdesign, don't go over the top with this Font change just change the scenery textures.
If you do use that font, space the letters our a little more i cannot read that image the op has posted.
A lot of thought went into the new font, it's not just change for changes' sake. I do think it should be an option to maintain the old font, but the examples shown here of the new font isn't the same as what I've seen on Sisi. There's something wrong with that person's client or settings. EVE Online IdeaTorrent
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Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:41:00 -
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Use default 100% with 10pts for a 1680x1050 screen. It's not too bad. Any messing about screws the spacing .... when reading, it feels like each letter's gouging your eyes. Clarity wise however, there is no question that it's better than what's on TQ atm. Style wise, it looks retro (back to the early days of computing) - on a scale of 10, I'd give it 2.
The "crossed" number 0 looks messy. I'd be in favor of having a "dotted" zero (http://www.fsd.it/fonts/pragmatapro.htm - ProgmataPro) per suggested in the test server thread. |
NickyYo
StarHug Brotherhood of Starbridge
9
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:42:00 -
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Aphoxema G wrote:NickyYo wrote:CCP i'm guessing your changing the FONT to go with the new scenery, Just don't.
Everyone is use to the old font don't go changing crap like that instantly... It will **** a lot of people of, chat text is the game!
Remember LESS is MORE! That's what we always say in webdesign, don't go over the top with this Font change just change the scenery textures.
If you do use that font, space the letters our a little more i cannot read that image the op has posted. A lot of thought went into the new font, it's not just change for changes' sake. I do think it should be an option to maintain the old font, but the examples shown here of the new font isn't the same as what I've seen on Sisi. There's something wrong with that person's client or settings.
Ah okies, If that isn't the default font all is good. Must be a troll op. |
Jodis Talvanen
State War Academy Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:47:00 -
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Why am I a troll for pointing out the flaws? There are players like me who value screen space more than useless fluff and picking the smallest font is only the natural thing to do.
The thing is right now when I use the smallest font on TQ, it looks fine.
But when I use the smallest font on SISI, it looks shat.
Why CCP not make it AT LEAST AS GOOD as the old one?
Why not make the new font optional because I will pick the old one over the new one? |
DarkAegix
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
416
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Posted - 2011.11.28 22:50:00 -
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Jodis Talvanen wrote:I AM ANGRY AT A FONT.
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