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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2014.12.18 17:18:13 -
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Is where i always thought T3 ships role belongs, where they are found, in WH's
its all speculation at this point tho :)
but with all this info about, its hard for me to grasp investing long term in MNR. |
RAW23
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Posted - 2014.12.18 18:52:56 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Is where i always thought T3 ships role belongs, where they are found, in WH's
its all speculation at this point tho :)
but with all this info about, its hard for me to grasp investing long term in MNR.
Not sure I would recommend holding for the long run (3 months plus). This post is re: short the medium term, i.e. the 3-6 week range, max 8 weeks. My best guess for the profit isn't worthwhile over any longer period.
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4131
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Posted - 2014.12.18 23:43:55 -
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Dante Lennelluc wrote:Hi all,
From a trading noob perspective, what is to be gained by manipulating the price down by using your own sell orders? Is it just a case that the manipulator has a large stockpile waiting to dump when the price spikes and gathering even more stock with cheaper buy orders?
Most of the time someone is trying to crush a rival trader.
Sometimes, someone has a massive buy order up and posts small sell orders at a price they don't really want to sell at, but that they hope will get undercut a few times. Then they buy up all the undercuts.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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RAW23
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Posted - 2014.12.20 00:20:02 -
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I think I'll hang my hat on that and say it was a pretty good call.
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
1104
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Posted - 2014.12.20 01:19:44 -
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RAW23 wrote:I think I'll hang my hat on that and say it was a pretty good call.
ty RAW23. good call.
Money at its root is a form of rationing.
When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2014.12.20 03:09:00 -
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RAW23 wrote:I think I'll hang my hat on that and say it was a pretty good call.
Someone obvs bought and re-listed them but forgot:
Stronger 4m+ Buy order support, The cost of the product they turn into, is now un-profitable at that price.
in short, ppl buying these at this price will make a loss on the product they make.
or will you manip those up as well raw?
EDIT: and as i typed this, someone nicely put up a sell order for 356 @ 4,050,000
fail manip is fail. |
Makhpella
Temet Nosce Ex Astra
13
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Posted - 2014.12.20 04:43:53 -
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it seems like someone was having fun messing with plex and other prices |
RAW23
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Posted - 2014.12.20 09:15:16 -
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Makhpella wrote:it seems like someone was having fun messing with plex and other prices
edit: it is obviously manipulation so I still think you should eat your hat
Read the OP. My call was that someone would manipulate it up after manipulating it down
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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RAW23
882
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Posted - 2014.12.20 09:21:50 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Someone obvs bought and re-listed them
I'm sure that's the case with some of them but if you look carefully you'll see that the three big stacks that were holding the market down at 4.1mil have moved up to 4.5mil. That's where the bulk of the lower priced units were so when that pressure was lifted there wouldn't have been many units left to buy up after a week of trending in that direction anyway. Of course, according to you no one was holding the market down in the first place though, there were no blocking orders, the market was in free-fall etc, etc ...
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2014.12.20 12:13:58 -
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RAW23 wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
Someone obvs bought and re-listed them
I'm sure that's the case with some of them but if you look carefully you'll see that the three big stacks that were holding the market down at 4.1mil have moved up to 4.5mil.
Agreeing it isnt you that did it ,
the 3 big stacks are listed at price points where it would take months of volume of the subsystem components (that use MNR), at their current prices, in order for those to become profitable to make again.
Theres no "downward pressure" like no profit using them at that price to try make components.
do some homework did you literally throw a dart at this market? you better go buy out all the components up to the 4.5m mark champ. and also the subsystems themselves too ok?
RAW23 wrote:I think I'll hang my hat on that and say it was a pretty good call.
Taking credit for someone's very heavy bag of ribbons
only reason i care about this is i'm almost certain you are to doop some scrub noob into buying these (like the guy that "thanked" you) while you offload the bag u are obvs holding. |
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Tear Jar
Emolgranlan Code Enforcement Branch
221
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Posted - 2014.12.20 18:09:23 -
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Good call.. I made a solid profit off of that.
Ignore Jerry. He just wants to be contrarian. |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2014.12.21 15:23:55 -
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Lots to learn, my young one, lots to learn |
RAW23
883
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Posted - 2014.12.22 12:42:49 -
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Are you really implying that you have been right about anything at all in this thread?
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2014.12.22 15:46:59 -
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no, the video was implying the price is being dunked.
you made the thread, teach us more |
RAW23
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Posted - 2014.12.23 10:30:16 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:you made the thread, teach us more
The blocking stacks (which totally don't exist), which were moved up to 4.5mil to allow the market to run up have now been dropped back to 4mil to put downwards pressure on the market. My guess is that what we will now see is an attempt to run the market down again to the 3.5mil mark for a restock with the same tactics as before (long lists of tiny unmoving orders punctuated by blocking orders at various price points). However, I'm not sure whether it will work as well this time or if the new floor will be higher due to the general upwards trend. Recommendation would be to rebuy at 3.5, if it gets there for any significant period of time and to sell again the next time the downwards pressure is lifted. If it doesn't drop that far, then I'm not entirely sure whether it's worth buying in again or not at a higher price. The blocking orders are less thick this time round so the trend could push things back up quite quickly but if the quantities on sells thicken up things might stabilise for a while in the 3.65-3.8 range. On the other hand, if the current buys at 3.75 thicken we might see stabilisation at that level.
So, what will happen in the short term now depends on a) how deep the stocks are of the person doing the downwards push, b) how strong the upwards trend is, and c) whether anyone with deeper pockets than the guy in a) attempts to push the market up.
tl;dr Wait and see but definitely buy in again if we see a strong drop to 3.5.
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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RAW23
884
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Posted - 2014.12.30 15:36:46 -
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RAW23 wrote:
tl;dr Wait and see but definitely buy in again if we see a strong drop to 3.5.
I'm going to have to say exercise caution on this. There is still plenty of support at the 3.5mil level but too much of that is concentrated in a single order to be comfortable with. There was a 4k unit buy order as well but that was either filled or pulled yesterday and if the 6k unit order is pulled then that could have a very significant effect as these two big buy orders have provided a counter-balance and floor to the attempt to run the market down so far.
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2014.12.30 17:46:14 -
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RAW23 wrote:RAW23 wrote:
tl;dr Wait and see but definitely buy in again if we see a strong drop to 3.5.
I'm going to have to say exercise caution on this. There is still plenty of support at the 3.5mil level but too much of that is concentrated in a single order to be comfortable with. There was a 4k unit buy order as well but that was either filled or pulled yesterday and if the 6k unit order is pulled then that could have a very significant effect as these two big buy orders have provided a counter-balance and floor to the attempt to run the market down so far.
yeh less than a day or 2 of volume of them in buy orders, average price is:
2014.12.29 - 3,527,004.40 ISK for yesterday 10k moved/flipped w/e, average price is right on the buy order price.
beauty of this (for those of you holding the bag due to this thread), one day they will go up again, its eve things change fast! don't feel bad raw23, even a broken clock is right twice a day. |
RAW23
884
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Posted - 2014.12.30 19:19:27 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote: beauty of this (for those of you holding the bag due to this thread), one day they will go up again, its eve things change fast! don't feel bad raw23, even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Why would anyone be 'holding the bag' because of this thread? I made my initial suggestion, the market did as I predicted, people should have made isk selling when I called it. If anyone then followed my later suggestion to buy back in at 3.5 they can either a) still get out now for no loss other than opportunity cost if they get cold feet, or b) they can hold on and see what will happen. There is no certainty of a downwards shift from 3.5, just a change in circumstance making it slightly more likely in the short term with the 4k buy order getting nuked or pulled. I'm still pretty confident in my medium term prediction but wouldn't encourage anyone to bet the farm on it.
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
269
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Posted - 2014.12.30 21:19:48 -
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Quote:They are currently being aggressively held down to the current price (note the big blocking sell orders plus the small orders giving the illusion of lots of competition for sales) but when that pressure is taken off they will spike and settle at a considerably higher price (exactly where is anyone's guess but I suspect at least 25% above where they are now).
Quote:(exactly where is anyone's guess but I suspect at least 25% above where they are now).
Quote:I suspect at least 25% above
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
269
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Posted - 2014.12.30 21:37:17 -
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Bottom line readers:
Find your own markets, ppl posting any suggestions here are just trying to sell there overvalued stock. |
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esquimo leviticus
Wrecking Shots Black Legion.
6
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Posted - 2014.12.30 22:00:04 -
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Jerry T Pepridge for market overlord, please keep the trollolz coming. Like your style, 101% class. |
RAW23
884
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Posted - 2014.12.31 09:59:15 -
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Jerry - I know you're a troll mate but try to keep the trolling consistent in at least the same post
I predicted nothing but I guessed right?
People lost their isk because of me but only made 11%?
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
272
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Posted - 2014.12.31 10:48:00 -
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RAW23 wrote: People lost their isk because of me but only made 11%?
yup, the ones holding the bag now, do you still have any left or are u out? loved the if it reaches the 3.5 buy post, lemme guess thats your break even?
spin all you want pommy, market price is below your opening post, you failed |
RAW23
884
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Posted - 2014.12.31 10:56:46 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
yup, the ones holding the bag now, do you still have any left or are u out? loved the if it reaches the 3.5 buy post, lemme guess thats your break even?
Are you following a kind of collage approach to this discussion where you take random thoughts and juxtapose them artistically with no concern for linear structure? Because in your last post your claim was that I was 'holding the bag' having bought in on the previous spike whereas now 3.5 is my break even point, despite 3.5 being more or less the historical market low.
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
272
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Posted - 2014.12.31 11:20:28 -
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RAW23 wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
yup, the ones holding the bag now, do you still have any left or are u out? loved the if it reaches the 3.5 buy post, lemme guess thats your break even?
Are you following a kind of collage approach to this discussion where you take random thoughts and juxtapose them artistically with no concern for linear structure? Because in your last post your claim was that I was 'holding the bag' having bought in on the previous spike whereas now 3.5 is my break even point, despite 3.5 being more or less the historical market low.
oh im sorry, i dint check the historical low, u got me there. good to know the thread where OP says these will go up, he also says 2 weeks later were at historical low.
so here we have a bullet point of what has happened to nanoribbons.
- CCP added some demand, the price spiked, but that was mainly speculators, spiked then crashed.
- price hovered at 3.6-3.7-3.8 for a few months
- CCP announces new WH systems, more sleepers, more supply, and a new T3 Ship!
- you speculate, i repeat speculate (guess) a price rise, based on :words: historical irrelevant data due to release of new variables to the equation.
- you begin backpedling here:
- price rises slightly ~3.87
- big fish sees it, big fish buys all to 4.5m you hang your hat one someone elses manip attempt (likely due to this thread)
- price tumbles steadily, as the ones holding the bag from the last spike (your mate cista) dump onto the new 3.8, 3,9 buy orders
- to today. where it is at historical lows as you put it. no big floor orders.
reason im even posting here is from the get go, i felt you had no idea what you were talking about, had obs never WH'd b4, and i felt strongly that you only made the thread to offload your stock (and you mate custa) stock from the last spike.
this is as good as a scam bond thread. |
RAW23
884
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Posted - 2014.12.31 12:07:42 -
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Jerry - there is so much that is simply wrong in your post (no big floor orders ... apart from the 6000 unit order; someone bought up all the stock up to 4.5mil ... except the market history shows the high buy that day at under 4mil because the rise wasn't due to a buy up but to stocks being lifted), and you are so obviously unwilling to discuss things in good faith, that it is not worth responding to your post in detail as you'll just shift your ground yet again.
Here's my bullet point list for the thread:
-I claim that the price is currently being held down by deliberate downwards pressure and that when this pressure is released the price will spike. I also make a suggestion about where the price might settle if the pressure comes off entirely and for a significant period of time.
-When the pressure is briefly released by the repositioning of the stocks held at 4mil up to 4.5mil the price obviously does spike.
-People who bought when I suggested and sold when I suggested book profits of 12-17% depending on how fast to react they are, which is not bad at all for 15 days in a major raw material market.
-Thread would have ended there but you ask me what I think will happen when the price starts being pushed down again and I give a second prediction.
-A change in circumstances leads me to issue a warning about that second prediction and advise people to exercise caution.
-You continue to claim people have lost isk because of me despite the price at no point dropping below my suggested by-in price.
Obviously, you will continue to make such claims in the face of the facts and will continue to argue that I was trying to unload my own stock on unsuspecting gullible MD forum readers. That's the kind of trolling you admitted you created your character for, so there is nothing I can say to get you to engage in a good faith discussion on the topic.
Jerry T Pepridge wrote: reason im even posting here is from the get go, i felt you had no idea what you were talking about, had obs never WH'd b4, and i felt strongly that you only made the thread to offload your stock (and you mate custa) stock from the last spike.
Nah, it's because your character is a toon set up for the specific, and publicly admitted, purpose of trolling and you are posting in pretty much every thread on MD at the moment in pretty much the same way.
_There are two types of EVE player: _
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.
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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
40
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Posted - 2014.12.31 12:17:25 -
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Hard to trust anyone advising to buy or sell in the market forum :) |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
0
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Posted - 2014.12.31 14:56:53 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:RAW23 wrote:Jerry T Pepridge wrote:
yup, the ones holding the bag now, do you still have any left or are u out? loved the if it reaches the 3.5 buy post, lemme guess thats your break even?
Are you following a kind of collage approach to this discussion where you take random thoughts and juxtapose them artistically with no concern for linear structure? Because in your last post your claim was that I was 'holding the bag' having bought in on the previous spike whereas now 3.5 is my break even point, despite 3.5 being more or less the historical market low. TRUTH
Ouch... Raw the scammer. I don't think he was scamming though as much as these "big market" guys around here actually don't have a freaking clue. |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
272
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Posted - 2014.12.31 15:09:51 -
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still no reason to make a thread about it, only motives are:
"i want to dump my stock." 80% "I was right / epeen / i want to be relevant" 19%
some ppl here know what i do "20b" don't listen to him, hes just a butthurt troll.
if anything my objection to buying solidified your position. (and made it funnier for me too)
sorry this is eve, this thread will follow you & what you have to say about things around for quite a while my friend. I did make my points clear and concise earlier in the thread.(allbeit in a trolly manner)
Market McSelling Alt wrote: Ouch... Raw the scammer. I don't think he was scamming though as much as these "big market" guys around here actually don't have a freaking clue.
I take back calling him a scammer also. p petty, apologies raw.
btw raw you mentioned i didnt engage you in the thread, but you never responded to all but one or 2 points here ? |
Makhpella
Temet Nosce Ex Astra
22
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Posted - 2014.12.31 20:31:56 -
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Thats really coward to play the "jerry is troll" card. Defending this ****** speculation just shows how insecure you are.
When the price was above 4m I really doubt you managed even sell your 4b stock. Jita was the only place where the price spiked(pretty poor manipulation) so no real demand and then I can imagine heavy undercutting and very low demand. So the outcome was the price around 3.9m next day and falling. If you managed to sell your stock for the price over 4m then lucky you. I dont believe that it was possible to dump bigger stock for such price.
When I invest in something, I expect profit. If I end up in loss or even, I dont consider it success. There is plenty items you can trade for 5-10% margin and I dont see reason to make thread about them. The window to make 10+% was very very small and was only due to manipulation. |
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