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Rodge
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.06 19:03:00 -
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Personally, I found the mercing life to be a bit boring after a while. Got a lot of respect for guys like the MC who've stuck to it way before anyone even thought about it as a viable career. Funny thing about mercing. If a merc corp is hired against you and does a lot of damage, who would you think of hiring when you needed a bit of extra firepower?
As for the stab issue, I don't know a single merc corp who hasn't made use of them in pvp. Some do it more than others, of course
The results of any mercenary's contract isn't always defined by their kill ratio (though that can certainly be part of it). If you're hired to take on an alliance and that alliance don't get to do a single complex, get a single mining op done etc... then you can be a success without killing a single ship. If, on the other hand, all you do is kill the odd npcer or agent runner then you haven't really accomplished all that much. If the merc corp engages formations of the contract mark's PvPers, then it can be said that the target of the contract is getting just as much out of it as anyone.
This is where BE's style will stand them in good stead. They'll sit with cloaked interdictors as long as it takes to get a kill. They'll shut down systems as opponents bring 5:1 in numbers to try to catch them. So what if they're not having any fun? The alliance they're targetting has 5+ times as many people who aren't having fun and are wasting time trying to chase a few people away. Doing the boring things against an alliance will hurt it much more than providing it willing targets for a 30v30 fleet battle in their home systems (which most alliances of note would kill to get on a regular basis!). Personally, I'd consider hiring BE if I needed someone to be "griefed"! (if i could afford it....)
I recall watching the MCvEverlasting Vendetta videos. MC camped EV into their home station for days. Boring for both sides - yes. But it was EV that was the one that lost income (from not being able to do anything) and lost members (people who can't do anything get bored.....). Contract - successful!
Still, mercing is certainly a viable career in eve. You make a lot of enemies along the way, but it's certainly possible to make a hell of a lot of isk along the way Sig inappropriate-not eve related -Abdalion
[ 2005.04.17 00:34:30 ] Nagilam > u better leave Rodge, u will not gank any1 else 2nite......
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Hakera
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Posted - 2006.09.06 19:08:00 -
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militas have been used since 'almost' the dawn of time to supplement the regulars. Much in the same way its easier to employ someone to deal with a short term problem. In an eve sense, they are indeed valuable scum who can sometimes do more damage than an entity can sustain and recover from and help tip the balance pushing the target into the abyss.
as tyraxx says, what else is there to spend isk on :)
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Kyguard
Our Brothers Five 3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.09.06 20:25:00 -
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Mercs are probably best used when a corporation / alliance is under a lot of pressure and you just need that extra push to make them collapse. I would say that mercs (including the MC) alone can't ***** most serious alliances and corps without other factors thrown into the mix.
but yeh, mercs ftw if you've got the isk ===
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TressX
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2006.09.07 02:00:00 -
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I consider myself to be a very valuable resource thank you!
Love Tressx
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Yazoul Samaiel
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.07 03:15:00 -
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Mercenary as a profession has existed since ages first to be used by the pharos in their battels and up till today modern warfare mercenaries are still used .
They are considered a valuable asset also a liability sicne they fight for the highest bidder so after theri contract is over they can be contracted aginst their first employer. Mercenaries hold no loyalty except to their contract and leadership , their use is usualy to do selected tasks and rarely enage in major warfare sicne they are extremly costly than usual soldiers. Calling mercs scum or what ever is not quite true coz there is a difference between mercs and assasin , imo assasins are on the lower of the honorable combat lvl sicne they do not directly engage they just do stealth hits and run away but at the end they all do their job and get paid and then leave with no cause what so ever except the material gain wether tis currency or assets or commodities. "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
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Max Teranous
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.07 07:04:00 -
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Who'd wanna be a Merc, eh?
Max
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Anaka Totoch
Dark Knights of Deneb Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.07 07:22:00 -
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Originally by: Witch Doctor Edited by: Witch Doctor on 06/09/2006 18:33:52 Edited by: Witch Doctor on 06/09/2006 18:32:56
That's certainly your prerogative, but what do you stand to gain by setting the mercs negative? We don't care either way and will unthinkingly shoot you if you shoot us. The only impact is on your corp - the threat of a client's target setting us negative on an ongoing basis doesn't affect our decision to take contracts in the slightest and really just gives our starving dogs something to do between contracts.
As for the in Alliance B, would set aside the money to make sexample, I would question why Alliance A made such a risky bet as to pour all their money into a conquerable asset without reserving some capital as contingency. Maybe if you're in a rush to claim the system, but perhaps a more savvy leader, like the leader ure they can protect the asset. Alliance A invested in building the asset - Alliance B invested in taking it.
As Seleene has often said, it is a wise idea to at least factor in the possibility of a merc presence on either side when considering war scenarios. That will leave you a lot more prepared for when they show up and position you to use them as the tools that they are.
Do mercs find it really that easy to live with the fact that they are the ones who may destroy one parties home. As you said it is my perogative, however i would consider it a small price to pay, in order to exact our revenge. After all we have just lost everything, what more could we loose
Personally i tried pirating once a long time ago and after having blown up his, i ended up feeling so guilty that i convoed him gave his stuff back and reimbursed him
I guess some people have it in them, but at the end of the day it comes down to individuals and everyone is different. For my self being a merc would raise issues of morality and loyalty.
Anaka Totoch CEO of The Dark Knights of Deneb
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.07 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Anaka Totoch Do mercs find it really that easy to live with the fact that they are the ones who may destroy one parties home.
Yep.
Quote: I guess some people have it in them, but at the end of the day it comes down to individuals and everyone is different. For my self being a merc would raise issues of morality and loyalty.
We are loyal to our clients. They say who to kill and we do so. Your alliance has a -10 list that I'm sure you don't hesitate to fire upon, yes? It's the same with us, only our -10 list changes a lot. -
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA
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Posted - 2006.09.07 08:44:00 -
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Having loyality to your client is no real loyality as it is just the fact that you get isk from your client that makes you behave this way. So it is only loyality towards your own personal greed.
Imo, the main difference between pirates and mercs is that pirates are honest about what they do while mercs pretend to be something more then simple killers.
In EVE mercs are badly needed as they enrich the game, it is even an all player driven profession so probs to MC and a select few other doing it so classy. In RL, mercs are scum.
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Lamb Chop
KIA Corp
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Posted - 2006.09.07 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tarri Having loyality to your client is no real loyality as it is just the fact that you get isk from your client that makes you behave this way.
That is the whole point of Mercenary work...
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Scius
Amarr Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2006.09.07 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Scius on 07/09/2006 12:22:18 Merc's bring firepower to those that need it & cant supply enough of their own, if organised properly they are a ruthless but disciplined group who can change the face of battle, so i say they are a very good thing.
At FOFF we try to emulate those mercs we hold in high regard, including those who had contracts on us, we learned alot & are still learning but at no point will we be empire pirates.
Boredom is a major problem as everyone has said we try to fill this with killing everyone below -5 sec stat & any -10 corp standings we find. The key to being a good merc corp is recommendations (even from those you shoot), stick to the contract, show respect to the rest of local & above all show your contractees no mercy with no smack.
Its not an easy profession but very rewarding, with none of the 0.0 alliance hassles.
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Mitchman
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.09.07 13:00:00 -
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Originally by: Rodge
Got a lot of respect for guys like the MC who've stuck to it way before anyone even thought about it as a viable career.
It seems to be a common misconception that MC was first. Cult of Cthulhu (RIP) was hired approximately the 2nd week of the game, and fought in Fountain and Venal for their employers.
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Kaleeb
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.09.07 13:09:00 -
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Yep and people also forget mercenary frigates/cruisers and mercenary forces who have been around a long time
Originally by: Blacklight
Last night was an 'anomoly' for different reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with skill or who were the better pvpers.
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Crovan
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.07 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Mitchman
Originally by: Rodge
Got a lot of respect for guys like the MC who've stuck to it way before anyone even thought about it as a viable career.
It seems to be a common misconception that MC was first. Cult of Cthulhu (RIP) was hired approximately the 2nd week of the game, and fought in Fountain and Venal for their employers.
*seems to recall seeing CoC's farewell video, recently*
Point taken, though.
As for the state of mercs in EvE, I think the fact that we are a unique breed has been thoroughly explained.
As for the comments about mercenaries having nothing to motivate them but their own greed, I would argue that the same is true for a lot of non-mercenary corps/alliances as well. The difference with mercs is that we define ourselves by loyalty to each other, our client, and nobody else. Other groups are loyal to one another when it suits the immediate political needs of both parties. With honest mercs, as long as the checks are not bouncing, the guns will keep shooting.
Setting mercs who have just finished a contract on you to negative is silly, but understandable. Why close the door to a group with the potential to help you out in the future? Sure there are lots of emotions about those griefing ****heads that just bbqed your POSes, but what you must understand is that they (if they are "real" mercs) did not do it for personal reasons. Someone paid them to shoot you, so they did. What does setting a merc corp to -10 get you but more trouble? Take the MC for example. Someone sets us to -10 because we went pewpewpew and starts shooting our people in lowsec/0.0. Now, they get hit with a -10 from us, and it's freaking open season while we're off contract. I will almost guarantee that the occasional cheap gank that you might manage is not going to be worth the fury that we can bring down on you, should we so choose between contracts. After all, we have to make sure that we can move around unmolested in preparation for the next contract.
Frankly, those who want to put mercs on the same level as pirates are, imho, either jealous or bitter. Jealous because they cannot do what mercs do, or bitter because they got their toys broken by some icky merc group.
Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
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Crovan
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.07 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kyguard Mercs are probably best used when a corporation / alliance is under a lot of pressure and you just need that extra push to make them collapse. I would say that mercs (including the MC) alone can't ***** most serious alliances and corps without other factors thrown into the mix.
but yeh, mercs ftw if you've got the isk
I think we would like someone to try to test that theory :)
I am not so sure that it can't be done, but rather people have not asked us to. Sure, it'd take a long time to really dismantle an alliance, but I think it could be done. As a matter of fact, I think the "serious" groups are the only ones this could be done to, as they are the only ones with 0.0 assets. Empire alliances/corps can always dock up and not log on for awhile. Contractor sees no kills on KB and stops writing checks, then empire group goes on their merry way.
Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
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Krisala Torin
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Posted - 2006.09.07 13:57:00 -
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Edited by: Krisala Torin on 07/09/2006 13:57:15 Ok, so the default character button doesn't work....good to know.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn
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Posted - 2006.09.07 14:09:00 -
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Mercs imo are a necessary evil in the real world & in eve. They provide the muscle that many small/non PvP corps require, & can also tip the balance in long wars one way or another. Sure when your on the recieving end of ones fury it can tilt you perspective into hating their guts, & vice versa those whose lives are made easier by them see them as the greatest thing around.
Unfourtnately, EVE being a game (i can say that here cant i? ) means that many who pursue the mercenary life it seems quickly find themselves becoming bored. Contracts may make isk, but from the sounds of it they often involve fighting targets that are less then willing to always engage them. Given that it seems war decs are the most common contact method mercs use, its understandable why this maybe as their targets know theyre coming for them & so are extra vigilent.
Consequently, many who arnt willing to rat/mine etc seem to find themselves filling the time ganking bystanders in lowsec systems as theyre easy targets & you need something to do.
Theres more to say but my fingers are getting stiff from all the forum whoring so ill stop there.
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Eyeshadow
Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.07 14:20:00 -
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Originally by: Tarri Having loyality to your client is no real loyality as it is just the fact that you get isk from your client that makes you behave this way. So it is only loyality towards your own personal greed.
If you think any corp has ever got rich of mercing alone you are sorely mistaken. The profession pays a pittance when you take into account the number of people.
And loyalty to our client is loyalty, just about the only loyalty a merc should have
Quote: Imo, the main difference between pirates and mercs is that pirates are honest about what they do while mercs pretend to be something more then simple killers.
Actually your completely wrong. Pirates are the simple killers, they do nothing but kill/ransom people. Professional mercs on the other hand go in with a job to do and set objectives.
Quote: In EVE mercs are badly needed as they enrich the game, it is even an all player driven profession so probs to MC and a select few other doing it so classy. In RL, mercs are scum.
If we acted like scum we wouldnt be where we are today
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Serenity Steele
Rearden Steele
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Posted - 2006.09.07 14:30:00 -
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IMHO A useful service, and honourable.
That said, there are far fewer corps/alliances within EvE that are true mercinaries, than those that claim to be.
Eve Strategic Maps - Outpost Alert
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA
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Posted - 2006.09.07 15:51:00 -
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Originally by: Eyeshadow
If we acted like scum we wouldnt be where we are today
I did not say you acted like scum, I said you act with class.
The loyality to your client is a questionable loyality as it is a loyality bought with isk. My opinion still stands, pirates are in my opinion more honourable then mercs because they normally have a code of honour which they respect. And that code/loyality to the code is not bought with isk. But then again that is only my opinion, I allow you to have your own ----
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Talthrus
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.07 18:43:00 -
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It doesn't mean that we done have a code of honor just because we are hired for ISK. Most of the mercs I have met ingame are very upstanding and just in general great people. I can't see how you think senseless ganking is equal to any sort of honor among pirates ... ----------------------
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Crovan
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.07 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tarri
Originally by: Eyeshadow
If we acted like scum we wouldnt be where we are today
I did not say you acted like scum, I said you act with class.
The loyality to your client is a questionable loyality as it is a loyality bought with isk. My opinion still stands, pirates are in my opinion more honourable then mercs because they normally have a code of honour which they respect. And that code/loyality to the code is not bought with isk. But then again that is only my opinion, I allow you to have your own
Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
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Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.07 18:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tarri My opinion still stands, pirates are in my opinion more honourable then mercs because they normally have a code of honour which they respect. And that code/loyality to the code is not bought with isk.
So ehm... What does one buy by paying the "ransom"? ------------------------------------------
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Krisala Torin
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Posted - 2006.09.07 18:45:00 -
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Edited by: Krisala Torin on 07/09/2006 18:45:09
Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr
Originally by: Tarri My opinion still stands, pirates are in my opinion more honourable then mercs because they normally have a code of honour which they respect. And that code/loyality to the code is not bought with isk.
So ehm... What does one buy by paying the "ransom"?
That does it, I am deleting this alt.
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA
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Posted - 2006.09.07 19:06:00 -
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What¦s borked with forums, Crovan?
I was comparing the ideal pirate to the ideal merc, and came to my conclusion. You came to yours, what¦s wrong with that? ----
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Crovan
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.07 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Tarri What¦s borked with forums, Crovan?
I was comparing the ideal pirate to the ideal merc, and came to my conclusion. You came to yours, what¦s wrong with that?
Silly stuff is wrong like it not wanting to accept my default character, as well as not posting, then double posting with the wrong character, instead, etc.
What is wrong with comparing ideals? In this situation, plenty is. First, you should have stated that to begin with if you expect the rest of us to follow along :). Second, debating ideals, any potential difficulties with either side can be written off. The ideal merc will never deviate from his bought loyalty, so what does it matter if it is bought? The ideal pirate will Robin Hood his way through the galaxy saving damsels between the ransoming of robber-barons (and I don't mean missions ;))
Nothing is wrong to coming to opinions. I just think that your opinion is incorrect, and have provided reasons why it is contradictory. Does the ideal pirate not ransom? How does he make his money? If he does ransom, then his temporarily purchased loyalty is as faulty as you say a merc's is, thus either purchased loyalty is good for something, or pirates are no more honorable then mercs. Either of those refutes your claim.
Farjung FanBois, Charter Member
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Tarri
FACTA NON VERBA
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Posted - 2006.09.07 19:38:00 -
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Yep, forums are strange at times. Like having to log in like 3 times before posting...
You are right, comparing ideals is kind of senseless. Also is the ideal merc and pirate different for everyone. A pirate can be be a gentleman like Francis Drake or a simple criminal. A merc can help those without arms defend themself against oppressors or be the tool of the rich to subdue the weak and poor. So in the end it also depends on what contract a merc corporation accepts and what not, and how professional they work, if you want to tell if they are "knights in shiny armors", "businessmen" or simply "gankers". ----
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Draximus Cane
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.08 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kaleeb Yep and people also forget mercenary frigates/cruisers and mercenary forces who have been around a long time
We were not the first Mercs (although I was in Merc frigs from the fiorst week), but I believe we were the first "true" mercs as others before were genenerly not nuetrul and or pirated -------------------------------------------------
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Firane
Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.08 01:46:00 -
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Personally I don't think you can compare BE with MC.
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.09.08 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 08/09/2006 03:19:30
"True Mercs" ? What a joke.
Merceneries who kill random people when not on assignment are no less Merceneries than you who do not. As long as they honor their contracts and wishes of their Employers, they're no different.
I wonder how many mercenery corporations out there make up fake contracts when they want to have an excuse to go after someone they haven't been hired to kill ?
I'd guess 95%, including the MC, the ones that pirate would actually be less likely to lie about something like that, and thus more "True Mercs" in my book than the ones that don't pirate.
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