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ujanga Cobon-Han
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.06 19:26:34 -
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NOTE; i am not againts PVP in any form and i am no carebare
Gankers vs miners characters gameplay,
I have been roaming around in high sec, and i have seen after i returned back to EVE miner ganking at it's finest, wich i am not againts . What i do hate and have seen, is almost each solar system in high sec has his miner ganker(group) or in rare cases MB-ers now wich in most cases is an alt of player or a group of players who have on there main between +2.0 and 5.0 sec status but log in on a alt who has -10 sec just to gank and salvage and loot the wreck with a +0.1 sec status alt, and all those alts are in most cases in NPC corps. people in EVE say we gank miners becouse they think they r safe so we make them have to be alert at all times wich i agree, and they have to spam there d-scan each second and they have to run when a catalyst enters the system everytime. Why dont gankers have to be alert all the time becouse they have -10 sec status and after a gank they just log back into there + 0 sec status alt do PVE or station trade whatever without ever have the feeling of continiously needing to be alert in the game. I dont ask CCP to do something against it, i just ask the players if you wanna be a bad guy with -10 sec status and gank do it with your main and not hide behind a high sec status character miners play fair they dont hide you know wher to find them, miners cant find you guy's becouse you log out after a gank and play PVE with a high sec character. For real miners not for those cheesy ones it takes a year to skill train and optimize a miner tank and +200 million but yet some even full optimized get ganked within a couple of seconds by dessy -10 alts at the cost of 21million isk and low skill training the profit in that gank is aprox 100million. why do those gankers hide in a high sec stat character if you can live as pirate and also be rich. Is it maby becouse they dont like to be continiously have to be alert and watch local and use D-scan and having the possiblity of bein ganked at any times i dont know. i am against it i just wich those players would not log out and play PVE in high sec or whatever but be alert at all times since you have chosen to be bad guy, after ganks just stay logged in and have the same risk as miners do to be ganked. I love playing EVE but since i returned i like it less becouse what i see and have witnessed on my roam and scouting stations and seein ganks happend and where those people dock and see them log out and then suddenly see the same amount of people logging in on a plus sec status character. or seen a guy scout a Astroid belt with a dramiel +5.0 sec status he see a mackinaw lame tanked 10.3k max all for yield. The scout docks, there was only 1 station in the system and suddenly in the station 2 -10 sec status and 1 +0.2 sec stat characters log in and all leave the station warp to the miner and bang 1 loot and salvage the miner his left overs and two -10 ganked by CONCORDE they pod to station and log out. to bad this is what isk makes people do all about the greed. i dont mind minerganks or transport ganks or mission ganks it's a part of EVE i only hate they do it with alts and hide when it's over in the system station that easy without ever have to worry for payback by players who dont hide becouse there main is high sec status.
this is an opinion about the gameplay a yell out to people to do PVP like it supposed to be instead fo hiding behind a high sec status in the game and this is about 0.5 sec and higher. and sorry for my bad grammar
PS, ISD or GM i dont know where this should be posted so i posted it in gameplay since it is about gameplay and my 1st post ever and it's not posted or written to upset people or accus people this is just what i have witnessed and why i feel sad in EVE |
Paranoid Loyd
2885
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Posted - 2014.12.06 19:31:20 -
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Complains about people not playing with their main, doesn't post with his main.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Leto Thule
Obsidian Cadre
1659
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Posted - 2014.12.06 19:44:09 -
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There is no excuse for this crap.
If this isn't a troll ( and I'm reaaaally stretching here ) you need to learn how to write a post so interested parties can read it and respond. Not slop together some misspelled, grammatically incorrect rant in wall-text format.
This isn't wow or cod. People here are more demanding in terms of intelligence.
The damn forum automatically corrects spelling errors for bob's sake.
Hence, 2.5 / 10
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks.
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Cheese Crackers
Opportunists Alike
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Posted - 2014.12.06 21:20:30 -
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I'm againts people who cannot spell against :> |
Redneck Aideron
Order of the Shadow The Revenant Order
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Posted - 2014.12.06 21:25:35 -
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What did I just read? Oh...I read a rambling man. |
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.12.06 21:56:42 -
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ujanga Cobon-Han wrote:PS, ISD or GM i dont know where this should be posted so i posted it in gameplay since it is about gameplay and my 1st post ever and it's not posted or written to upset people or accuse people this is just what I have witnessed and why I feel sad in EVE. That's ok. I do however would like to warn you that altough you are free to post your opinion on the matter, you might expect others to fully disagree with your standpoint. In that respect I would like to ask all to keep the discussion on the OP's personal viewpoint on the matter civil!
ISD Ezwal
Vice Admiral
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
314
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Posted - 2014.12.06 22:14:56 -
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Using a "stream of consciousness" style of writing doesn't work very well unless you practice it, e.g. Henry Miller or James Joyce.
If you want to get your point of view over to other people that may or may not agree with you writing it out and reviewing it, and doing this several times while thinking about the key points you are trying to make could help. You could also ask someone to review what you have written and ask them if it is clear, concise, etc. |
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.12.06 22:57:40 -
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Expect ganking changes come the new year when ISBoxer has its multi ship control feature use being bannable.
It is too easy right now to gank anyone with multiple accounts, and has been for too long.
Oh and it would be nice to see a dev do something more about people who post nothing more than comments meant to insult other than telling them to be nice. |
Paranoid Loyd
2894
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Posted - 2014.12.06 23:07:53 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Expect ganking changes come the new year when ISBoxer has its multi ship control feature use being bannable. Do tell, what are these changes you speak of?
Sugar Smacks wrote: It is too easy right now to gank anyone with multiple accounts, and has been for too long.
Umm, yeah, maybe proof read your posts, this makes no sense.
Sugar Smacks wrote: Oh and it would be nice to see a dev do something more about people who post nothing more than comments meant to insult other than telling them to be nice.
Welcome to the internet, you must be new around here. If people act like fools, they are treated as such.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Kaarous Aldurald
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
10791
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Posted - 2014.12.06 23:24:54 -
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That hurt to read, and I read the version supposedly edited for readability.
What is he going on about?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Leto Thule
Obsidian Cadre
1661
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Posted - 2014.12.06 23:54:55 -
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Lmfao ezwal added paragraphs!
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks.
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Tomoe G0zen
ThinkTank Industries
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Posted - 2014.12.07 00:30:52 -
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An easy fix :
-0.5 to your main for every -1 sec status your alt has. 2 alts each with -1 sec status, your main is -1 sec status
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pom pin
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.12.07 01:51:43 -
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I gank by myself, -10.0, no spotters, no scouts, no alts: only my beauty and you! Mr pompin |
ForTheEmpire2014
Shoot The Messenger
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Posted - 2014.12.07 01:55:36 -
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All my chars are mains, I have no alts
I see this happen too. And t is supply/demand economics to gank your adversaries competing for resources. Feel free to tank your ships (and choose ships that are harder to gank), and create your own gank alt to thwart your competition. I know ppl who just gank/bump with their mains; they wish to be known to their competitors to 'stay outta my belt' or 'stay off my rocks'.
All is fair, as both parties can do this to each other. You can also be a little more honorable and wardec your opposition. Or merely hire mercs to take care of the problem for you.
IB4VB... Blood & Feathers again buddy.
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
3978
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Posted - 2014.12.07 05:14:14 -
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If you want the rewards of lowsec exploration, everyone expects you to be diligent about your safety.
If you want the rewards of highsec mining, you also should be diligent. The dangers are less for the miner than the explorer, but they are there.
A ten million ISK permit purchase is a good investment for one. Won't protect you from non-CODE. gankers, but as long as you are CODE compliant, you've got a good 80% less risk.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
352
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Posted - 2014.12.07 05:39:22 -
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It's a big gameplay problem that people can use suicide gank alts and not bear the consequences of their actions. Ideally people would be restricted to playing as a single character....and there would be no way to avoid the security status consequences of repugnant criminal behavior. |
Leto Thule
Obsidian Cadre
1673
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Posted - 2014.12.07 06:52:03 -
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ForTheEmpire2014 wrote:All my chars are mains, I have no alts I see this happen too. And t is supply/demand economics to gank your adversaries competing for resources. Feel free to tank your ships (and choose ships that are harder to gank), and create your own gank alt to thwart your competition. I know ppl who just gank/bump with their mains; they wish to be known to their competitors to 'stay outta my belt' or 'stay off my rocks'. All is fair, as both parties can do this to each other. You can also be a little more honorable and wardec your opposition. Or merely hire mercs to take care of the problem for you. IB4VB... Blood & Feathers again buddy.
Blood and feathers should be a corp or alliance name.
Killboard
https://zkillboard.com/character/90841161/
Ripard Teg sucks.
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ForTheEmpire2014
Shoot The Messenger
25
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Posted - 2014.12.07 07:05:45 -
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Restricted to a single character? That is a repugnant idea. Think how much would be lost for ccp for Sidekick training. I am sure ccp would love the idea of restricting every paying customer to just one character
Be diligent, as Sabriz said. Sound advice, from (quite possibly) the next CSM.
I wonder if they have feathers in the AUR store...
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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Hannibal Carlisle
Black Storm Cartel Snuggle Struggle.
22
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Posted - 2014.12.07 07:08:44 -
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More times than not if you were ganked you were not at the keyboard when it happened. I have maximized the possible sporting chance I give to my gank targets. Prior to the gank I land an alt in the belt and move next to target. Usually I'm in a hauler. Not mining. Within 500M. Then I land on my alt in a catalyst. I do not fit a point. If my target mashes the warp button, he is away and free, leaving me crying ganker tears and waiting for my CONCORD punishment. This sequence takes 3 - 5 minutes.
Simply paying a minimal amount of attention to your surroundings will keep you almost perfectly safe.
Would you walk around a bad part of town late at night counting a stack of cash? Probably shouldn't leave your expensive mining ship unattended on a belt either. |
Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
352
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Posted - 2014.12.07 07:22:54 -
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Mining is miserably boring, and it's not rational to do it at keyboard. You are better off just mining AFK and writing off losses as the cost of doing business. If you are at keyboard might as well run incursions for much more isk/hour. |
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
230
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Posted - 2014.12.07 09:55:20 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Mining is miserably boring, and it's not rational to do it at keyboard. You are better off just mining AFK and writing off losses as the cost of doing business. If you are at keyboard might as well run incursions for much more isk/hour. Then why don't players just do that? They insist on coming to the forums and posting how ganking is broken, rather than "mining is so broken I couldn't pay attention and lost my ship".
OP, either just do what Veers said and continue mining AFK and just write the cost of your laziness off as an business expense, or buy a permit, stay at your keyboard and pay attention and then you are essentially 100% safe.
I gank with my main - my alts are just for looting and scouting. Just like practically every other facet of Eve, using alts provides extra utility. Would you have a problem if I just asked friends to scout and loot for me? Is that less objectionable to you?
I am not hiding behind anything - the mechanics favour anyone attacking me at anytime. The fact I am not out more flying more expensive ships is a direct consequence of the significant restrictions already imposed on me by the game mechanics. if you can find me, the encounter will be very much in your favour, but as it is, the mechanics do not give me much incentive, or even the ability to fly around in a "proper" PvP ship to fight you as the facpo will just show up and blow me up before you get your chance for honourable revenge.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Bethan Le Troix
Krusual Investigation Agency
148
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Posted - 2014.12.07 11:59:20 -
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Veers Belvar wrote:Mining is miserably boring, and it's not rational to do it at keyboard. You are better off just mining AFK and writing off losses as the cost of doing business. If you are at keyboard might as well run incursions for much more isk/hour.
I see why no one likes you now. Maybe that other guy who always goes on about EVE dying is more popular than you atm. His name eludes me. |
Steppa Musana
Republic University Minmatar Republic
25
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Posted - 2014.12.07 12:15:03 -
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If you are going to play EVE, you might as well actually play it. Veers is right about that. You should engage with other players through incursions or through PVP.
Mining is an AFK activity or at least partially. You do it with your house chores, or while arguing on the forums, or watching a movie.
This is why CODE isn't taken seriously past the risk that they pose. They are recommending players actually bore themselves into quitting by staying at the keyboard, hitting d-scan and other equally ridiculous suggestions. If CODE cared about helping players they'd tell them to mine AFK and do something else when they want to stay ATK. While they do the latter... they fall flat with the former, made worse by ridiculing people who choose to sensibly do it themselves. All while CODE diplomats like Amytus Amiclan or whatever his name is admit to AFK mining while they gank. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
230
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Posted - 2014.12.07 12:34:57 -
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Steppa Musana wrote:If you are going to play EVE, you might as well actually play it. Veers is right about that. You should engage with other players through incursions or through PVP. Mining is an AFK activity or at least partially. You do it with your house chores, or while arguing on the forums, or watching a movie. This is why CODE isn't taken seriously past the risk that they pose. They are recommending players actually bore themselves into quitting by staying at the keyboard, hitting d-scan and other equally ridiculous suggestions. If CODE cared about helping players they'd tell them to mine AFK and do something else when they want to stay ATK. While they do the latter... they fall flat with the former, made worse by ridiculing people who choose to sensibly do it themselves. All while CODE diplomats like Amytus Amiclan or whatever his name is admit to AFK mining while they gank. This is the game. You are not playing the game if you are cleaning your toilet or cooking your dinner while you mine. Even if you think this is valid game play, you at least have to admit your assets should be at risk while your computer prints ISK for you while you do something else. Otherwise, what is the point of playing?
I don't recommend players stay at the keyboard to mine - that time would be better spent on some of the more engaging game play Eve offers. But I must insist that if you are going to do something to make ISK in this game, you have to be at least at some risk. I don't even have a problem with miners that choose to "ISK-tank* like Veers suggested who take the risk of getting ganked while vacuuming their floors in the other room, in exchange for the reward of the ore sitting in their hold when they return to the keyboard - that is a rational decision especially after all of the ganking nerfs in recent years.
I do have a problem with those players that take this risk and lose their ship, and then come to the forums whining that the game is unfair or broken in some way. There are ways to protect your ship. If you choose not to use them because you rather be doing something else out of game, then you need to accept the consequence of that choice.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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ForTheEmpire2014
Shoot The Messenger
25
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Posted - 2014.12.07 17:29:59 -
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Black Pedro wrote: This is the game. You are not playing the game if you are cleaning your toilet or cooking your dinner while you mine. Even if you think this is valid game play, you at least have to admit your assets should be at risk while your computer prints ISK for you while you do something else. Otherwise, what is the point of playing?
I don't recommend players stay at the keyboard to mine - that time would be better spent on some of the more engaging game play Eve offers. But I must insist that if you are going to do something to make ISK in this game, you have to be at least at some risk. I don't even have a problem with miners that choose to "ISK-tank* like Veers suggested who take the risk of getting ganked while vacuuming their floors in the other room, in exchange for the reward of the ore sitting in their hold when they return to the keyboard - that is a rational decision especially after all of the ganking nerfs in recent years.
I do have a problem with those players that take this risk and lose their ship, and then come to the forums whining that the game is unfair or broken in some way. There are ways to protect your ship. If you choose not to use them because you rather be doing something else out of game, then you need to accept the consequence of that choice.
At least mine in a group, or engage with others in chat or comms. Social interaction is the hallmark of EvE and can turn even the most boring activity into a fun way to pass the time. There are lots of boring things, if isolated, in the game.
A group also provides better security and situational awareness.
As for the OP, engage your gankers in local or chat. Trashtalk them up, make a joke, gf or whatever. Make things interesting!
Empire Space is worth fighting for.
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Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra Gallente Federation
171
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Posted - 2014.12.07 21:22:05 -
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The issue you seem to be having is with alts, that's tough man, since EVE is basically built for alts.
CCP could not do **** about even if they wanted to (hint: they don't want to, every alt account is extra business for them). How would they prove that my accounts aren't those of my family, roommate, neighbor I share my connection with etc etc. |
Kalishka Ashkulf
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
60
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Posted - 2014.12.08 01:28:05 -
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ujanga Cobon-Han wrote:NOTE; i am not against PVP in any form and I am no carebare
Gankers vs miners characters gameplay,
I have been roaming around in high sec, and I have seen after i returned back to EVE miner ganking at it's finest, which I am not against . What I do hate and have seen, is almost each solar system in high sec has his miner ganker(group) or in rare cases MB-ers now which in most cases is an alt of player or a group of players who have on there main between +2.0 and 5.0 sec status but log in on a alt who has -10 sec just to gank and salvage and loot the wreck with a +0.1 sec status alt, and all those alts are in most cases in NPC corps. People in EVE say we gank miners because they think they are safe so we make them have to be alert at all times which I agree, and they have to spam there d-scan each second and they have to run when a catalyst enters the system every time. Why don't gankers have to be alert all the time because they have -10 sec status and after a gank they just log back into there + 0 sec status alt do PVE or station trade whatever, without ever have the feeling of continuously needing to be alert in the game. I don't ask CCP to do something against it, i just ask the players if you want to be a bad guy with -10 sec status and gank do it with your main and not hide behind a high sec status character miners play fair they don't hide you know where to find them, miners cant find you guy's because you log out after a gank and play PVE with a high sec character.
For real miners not for those cheesy ones it takes a year to skill train and optimize a miner tank and +200 million but yet some even full optimized get ganked within a couple of seconds by dessy -10 alts at the cost of 21million isk and low skill training the profit in that gank is aprox 100 million. Why do those gankers hide in a high sec stat character if you can live as pirate and also be rich. Is it mayby because they don't like to be continuously have to be alert and watch local and use D-scan and having the possibility of being ganked at any times i don't know. I am against it, I just wish those players would not log out and play PVE in high sec or whatever but be alert at all times since you have chosen to be bad guy, after ganks, just stay logged in and have the same risk as miners do to be ganked.
I love playing EVE but since i returned i like it less because what i see and have witnessed on my roam and scouting stations and seeing ganks happen and where those people dock and see them log out and then suddenly see the same amount of people logging in on a plus sec status character. Or see a guy scout a Astroid belt with a Dramiel +5.0 sec status. HG sees a Mackinaw lame tanked 10.3k max all for yield. The scout docks, there was only 1 station in the system and suddenly in the station 2 -10 sec status and 1 +0.2 sec stat characters log in and all leave the station warp to the miner and bang 1 loot and salvage the miner his left overs and two -10 ganked by CONCORDE they pod to station and log out. To bad this is what isk makes people do all about the greed.
I don't mind mine rganks or transport ganks or mission ganks, it's a part of EVE. I only hate they do it with alts and hide when it's over in the system station that easy without ever have to worry for payback by players who don't hide because there main is high sec status.
This is an opinion about the game play, a yell out to people to do PVP like it supposed to be instead for hiding behind a high sec status in the game and this is about 0.5 sec and higher. And sorry for my bad grammar
PS, ISD or GM i dont know where this should be posted so i posted it in gameplay since it is about gameplay and my 1st post ever and it's not posted or written to upset people or accuse people this is just what I have witnessed and why I feel sad in EVE.
Edited for readability. ISD Ezwal.
Complains about cowardly alts...
...posts on a cowardly alt
Why, thank you, Thing!
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Syssitia Nikostratos
Viziam Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2014.12.09 00:36:26 -
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Most of the miners being ganked are AFK mining alts, so why shouldn't gankers use their alts to gank them? Alts vs alts seems fair to me.
"I thought I had a great idea today, but it never really took off. In fact, it didn't even get on the runway. I guess you could say it exploded in the hangar."
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
18350
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Posted - 2014.12.09 00:59:50 -
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Read the Op twice. After taking the maximum daily amount of Ibuprofen in a single dose for the massive headache I got from trying to wrap my brain around what it was that my eyes were trying to read, I came up with a few thoughts:
Im a little hungry. Im staying late at work and forgot to bring some food. Man cannot survive on beef jerky and Iced Tea alone.
My second sentence was a run-on sentence.
My second point wasn't really a thought I had while reading the OP.
I need to have Maintenance replace the fluorescent bulb in my new office here. Its flickering madly and really irritating me.
The last point I made might actually be the real cause of my headache, but.. probably not.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Revis Owen
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
72
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Posted - 2014.12.09 15:21:21 -
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ujanga Cobon-Han wrote:. . . I feel sad in EVE.
We're all sad in EvE about something. You're not a special snowflake.
Oh, and rule of thumb: Disclaimers that a person is "not X" means that the person really is "X" but they think stating a disclaimer is some kind of Jedi mind trick.
Agent of the New Order
http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html
If you do not have a current Highsec Operations Permit, please contact me for issuance.
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