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Emily Poast
The Whipping Post
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Posted - 2011.11.29 07:00:00 -
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The patch got me a bit nostalgic, so I ran a google search, and I will be damned if it wasnt there in all of its low-def glory:
Behold! Blasters kickin it Old School.
Now, lets post some new Thorax fits for Crucible. I have five unfit ones in my hanger, and I'm feeling reckless.
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Liang Nuren
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.11.29 07:07:00 -
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I'll get right on this. XD
-Liang Looking for WH PVP corp.-á Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren Recruit me: http://wp.me/p1WQ0O-R |
I likegirls
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.11.29 07:15:00 -
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Mining lasers is the best way to go. Can earn 1.3 mil isk/hour in high sec. |
Archare
SKEET ELITE
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Posted - 2011.11.29 07:33:00 -
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Here's one for Crucible
[Thorax, Crucifer] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Stasis Webifier II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
298/343 OH dps with Fed Navy AM 237/273 OH with Null add another 158 dps from hammerhead II's or 80 dps from warrior II's
1212/1715 m/s 37k EHP
oh and did I mention it's cap stable with the MWD off? |
Archare
SKEET ELITE
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Posted - 2011.11.29 07:52:00 -
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And the classic shield brutix
[Brutix, Slightly better] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Power Diagnostic System II Damage Control II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Large Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Warp Scrambler II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Hammerhead II x5
Basically same as pre-crucible with slightly more buffer since grid reduction on guns allow for replacing the RCU with a power diag instead. (52795 ehp increased to 54193)
Also 5% more damage as per the hybrid buff and 20% more tracking.
Speed goes up from 1112/1578 m/s to 1189/1687 m/s as well
Overall slightly better than before, and can now do just barely over 1k dps overheated with a full fight of hammers. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2011.11.29 08:11:00 -
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Some poking at this seems to suggest that the shield gank Thorax is actually somewhere between equal and better than a similar Rupture - both in terms of mobility and in terms of damage. Very interesting.
-Liang Looking for WH PVP corp.-á Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren Recruit me: http://wp.me/p1WQ0O-R |
Emily Poast
The Whipping Post
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Posted - 2011.11.29 15:09:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Some poking at this seems to suggest that the shield gank Thorax is actually somewhere between equal and better than a similar Rupture - both in terms of mobility and in terms of damage. Very interesting.
-Liang
Do share. ;)
That Brutix fit sickens me for it fits shield mods to a gallente ship. However, 1k dps is oddly - exciting. Ill fit one tonjght.
Also, with the 5 second ammo swap, and the tracking buff, I think void might be worth carrying now, just in case you run into something larger - or a DRAEK. Not like you would ever see a drake- they are super rare, right?
If I have time after my two flights tonight I will try to contribute a lol fit or two. |
Jesus Rambo
Friendship is Magic The Laughing Men
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Posted - 2011.11.29 18:38:00 -
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So, is it possible that the diemost could be good now? |
Archare
SKEET ELITE
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Posted - 2011.11.29 19:56:00 -
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Sadly the diemost is still diemost, just with bigger teeth. The new changes look nice, but on paper the biggest changes really are on the cheapest ships. The thorax is great because for 15 mil you can get over 500dps with 30k ehp, while the deimos will get you roughly 800dps with 33k ehp for 120+mil all fighting within scram and web range. |
Archare
SKEET ELITE
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Posted - 2011.11.29 22:52:00 -
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Hrm.... looking at the new change to hail here's one to wrap your brain around
[Thorax, AutoCrux]
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Stasis Webifier II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
218/251 dps with the new buffed hail ammo. Roughly 75 less dps than my earlier fit
Oh did I mention that optimal + falloff is double that of the other fit? 220mm Hail 1.35km optimal + 11km falloff = 12.35 km Ions w/ CN AM 1.88km optimal + 5km falloff = 6.88 km
Suffers in tracking Hail .106 vs Ion .165
but it's capless!
why do I use hybrids again? |
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Liang Nuren
Perkone Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:28:00 -
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Archare wrote:Hrm.... looking at the new change to hail here's one to wrap your brain around
[Thorax, AutoCrux]
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M 220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Hail M
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I Stasis Webifier II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon Microwarpdrive
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Reactor Control Unit II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Hammerhead II x5
218/251 dps with the new buffed hail ammo. Roughly 75 less dps than my earlier fit
Oh did I mention that optimal + falloff is double that of the other fit? 220mm Hail 1.35km optimal + 11km falloff = 12.35 km Ions w/ CN AM 1.88km optimal + 5km falloff = 6.88 km
Suffers in tracking Hail .106 vs Ion .165
but it's capless!
why do I use hybrids again?
218 DPS is really bad for a Thorax. Maybe that's a good reason to fit hybrids?
-Liang Looking for WH PVP corp.-á Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren Recruit me: http://wp.me/p1WQ0O-R |
Archare
SKEET ELITE
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:39:00 -
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The dps is lower, but doesn't look as bad when you can shoot out twice as far... If you put those 220mm's on a standard 1600mm plate Rupture it has comparable dps with the new hail and a significant range advantage. I understand hail was useless, but this buff just eats away at what little ground hybrids had gained to begin with. I'm more in favor of changing it to the -25% falloff that was intended and then taking a look at void/conflag as well to improve them. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone Caldari State
108
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Posted - 2011.11.29 23:46:00 -
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Archare wrote:The dps is lower, but doesn't look as bad when you can shoot out twice as far... If you put those 220mm's on a standard 1600mm plate Rupture it has comparable dps with the new hail and a significant range advantage. I understand hail was useless, but this buff just eats away at what little ground hybrids had gained to begin with. I'm more in favor of changing it to the -25% falloff that was intended and then taking a look at void/conflag as well to improve them.
So from my brief look at the situation last night: - The Thorax is just as fast and agile as the Rupture. It will be much more difficult for the Rupture (or anyone else) to avoid close action if that's what you desire. - The Thorax is capable of sporting a similarly sized tank. - A kiting Thorax outdamages a similar Rupture to ~16km. - All Thoraxes ******* dramatically outdamage the Rupture up close.
You're being stupid here.
-Liang Looking for WH PVP corp.-á Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren Recruit me: http://wp.me/p1WQ0O-R |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:05:00 -
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[Hyperion, Hyperion fit]
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Null L
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Large Auxiliary Thrusters I Large Auxiliary Thrusters I Large Low Friction Nozzle Joints I
Vespa EC-600 x5 Warrior II x5 Warrior II x5
1804 m/s with heat on last about 1min 40 sec 12.5 sec align time does 1000 dps with heat out to 40 km 56k ehp
plus 10 warrior II and 5 vespa ecm
not bad at all...
if anything change the repper bonus and boost null range... |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
120
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:19:00 -
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or how about the new rokh?
with heat on it has 123k ehp goes 1119 m/s (hehe) align 18.8 sec shoots out to 85 km... and with warriors does 802 dps
[Rokh, Rokh fit]
425mm Railgun II, Javelin L 425mm Railgun II, Javelin L 425mm Railgun II, Javelin L 425mm Railgun II, Javelin L 425mm Railgun II, Javelin L 425mm Railgun II, Javelin L 425mm Railgun II, Javelin L 425mm Railgun II, Javelin L
100MN MicroWarpdrive II Warp Disruptor II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Core Defence Field Extender I Large Core Defence Field Extender I
Warrior II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
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Alticus C Bear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2011.11.30 00:34:00 -
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Shield seems to be the way to go. I like that it is really fast.
661dps 1705m/s 21,494ehp
[Thorax, Shield] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Overdrive Injector System II
Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Scrambler II Large Shield Extender II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Valkyrie II x5
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Emily Poast
The Whipping Post
28
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:18:00 -
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All these shield fits make me cry. Its sad armor tanking is so broken. All of the speed penalties dont play well with a ship that needs to scoot into range. I am hoping they will remove the speed penalty from armor rigs...
This isnt a pure gank fit, and it has an active/passive armor tank. I have seen first hand that this fit works in the right circumstances. Unfortunately, I, and a number of my squadmates, were on the wrong end of the barrels at the time. ;)
[Megathron, Kil2 - Crucible] Adaptive Nano Plating II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Large Armor Repairer II Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Warp Scrambler II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets Heavy Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Electron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L Ion Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Large Hybrid Burst Aerator I Large Hybrid Collision Accelerator I [empty rig slot]
Ogre II x5
88k EHP, 73/65/65/52, 198/257dps Tank, Heavy Neut! Dps is 1085/1201 with Ogres, Void = 1174/1303 1026/1141 with Zerkers, Void = 1115/1244
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Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
291
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:26:00 -
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Liang Nuren wrote:Some poking at this seems to suggest that the shield gank Thorax is actually somewhere between equal and better than a similar Rupture - both in terms of mobility and in terms of damage. Very interesting.
-Liang
Only when it gets on top of the target witch is no change from what it was already. |
Liang Nuren
Perkone Caldari State
111
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:45:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Some poking at this seems to suggest that the shield gank Thorax is actually somewhere between equal and better than a similar Rupture - both in terms of mobility and in terms of damage. Very interesting.
-Liang Only when it gets on top of the target witch is no change from what it was already.
I agree. 16km+ is "right on top of its target".
-Liang Looking for WH PVP corp.-á Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren Recruit me: http://wp.me/p1WQ0O-R |
Onictus
Legendary Knights Vorpal's Edge
46
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Posted - 2011.11.30 02:55:00 -
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Emily Poast wrote:Liang Nuren wrote:Some poking at this seems to suggest that the shield gank Thorax is actually somewhere between equal and better than a similar Rupture - both in terms of mobility and in terms of damage. Very interesting.
-Liang Do share. ;) That Brutix fit sickens me for it fits shield mods to a gallente ship. However, 1k dps is oddly - exciting. Ill fit one tonjght. Also, with the 5 second ammo swap, and the tracking buff, I think void might be worth carrying now, just in case you run into something larger - or a DRAEK. Not like you would ever see a drake- they are super rare, right? If I have time after my two flights tonight I will try to contribute a lol fit or two.
I've been flying my Brutix that way for a while....I do the same with Hyperion.
I'm not purist, I shield or armor depending on situation.
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ElCholo
BURN EDEN Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2011.11.30 03:59:00 -
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Archare wrote:The dps is lower, but doesn't look as bad when you can shoot out twice as far... If you put those 220mm's on a standard 1600mm plate Rupture it has comparable dps with the new hail and a significant range advantage. I understand hail was useless, but this buff just eats away at what little ground hybrids had gained to begin with. I'm more in favor of changing it to the -25% falloff that was intended and then taking a look at void/conflag as well to improve them.
The nerfmatard is strong in this one... |
Songbird
38
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:04:00 -
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I remember in one of the matches there was a couple megas shield tanked and they completely destroyed the opposing team with no losses of their own - now that's the fight I was most impressed by.
Also - if you wanna fly cruiser sized hybrid ship there's only 1 to fly and it's not the rail tengu :P
Ridiculous EHP - long range point , O/h dps close to 1000 - you know you want it :)
Edit: here's the video |
Goose99
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
254
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Posted - 2011.11.30 04:14:00 -
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If sisi performance is anything to go by, it still fails, badly. Winmatar ftw, now with higher dps short range ammo with no drawback. |
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