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Cymek Agamemnon
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.10 16:03:19 -
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So after reading all the info about "anything goes" in Eve I find myself being paranoid of everybody. So it's important to join a player corp but how do you vet that they are legit? I'm skeptical of people recruiting around the rookie stations that they are just trying to scam new players. Am I being overly paranoid? I know you can look at a player's history so I can see what corps they have been a member of in the past but I have no idea how that helps me learn much since I don't know the reputation of any old corporations either. An offer to help move to their HQ could be legitimately helping new players who can't fly big ships or could just be an easy way to steal **** from new players who can't fly anything strong enough to fight back... |
Rowells
Unknown Soldiers Fidelas Constans
1813
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Posted - 2014.12.10 16:07:54 -
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best option i used back when i was moving out to null for first time (second player corp i joined) was to leave most of my valuables at home in highsec (I still have that drake somehwere). Treated it somewhat as a fresh start so I wouldn't lose much should things go for worse. I personally am not too paranoid about being betrayed on things like that. I havent seen too many instances in my own experience of such things.
Just dont give them all of your stuff. Ever. If they can't find any way of getting things from you they most likely wont continue with the scam.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1901
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Posted - 2014.12.10 16:24:52 -
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New players aren't desirable targets for either scamming or premeditated murder because of their low wealth.
If someone is recruiting raw newbies they're probably sincere about it. Do however be warned of the dangers of bad highsec corps, they're less material and more existential in nature. An unfun game experience is markedly worse than ship or asset loss.
TBH you should join some of those corps and awoxing them to teach them the dangers of open recruitment polices. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
242
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Posted - 2014.12.10 17:24:11 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:New players aren't desirable targets for either scamming or premeditated murder because of their low wealth.
If someone is recruiting raw newbies they're probably sincere about it. Do however be warned of the dangers of bad highsec corps, they're less material and more existential in nature. An unfun game experience is markedly worse than ship or asset loss.
TBH you should join some of those corps and awoxing them to teach them the dangers of open recruitment polices.
This. They are unlikely to kill you or try to steal your stuff straight out as you don't have much to begin with. To be safe, just keep most of you assets safely in your hanger until you are sure they are not trying the "reverse safari" on you. Move only what ships you need for now, and if absolutely have to ask them to move your ships, you can insist on a courier contract with sufficient collateral to protect yourself.
The bigger problem as Vimsy said is that the corp is being run by a clueless CEO who will be unable to support you or teach you much about the game, or worse, is actively trying to exploit your lack of knowledge of the game. I have no idea what the going tax rate in a highsec corp is these days, but if it is much above the NPC tax rate, you should probably question what you are doing in that corp. Also, if you are mining they may offer a "buyback" program - it is reasonable to be a little less than you would get at a market hub as they are handling the logistics of moving the ore, but it should not be that much less. The corp also should also be giving you mining boosts to offset that somewhat otherwise - again ask yourself what you are getting out of being in this corp. A proper corp should be giving you not only advice and a social space, but actual support in terms of ships, boosts and access to facilities like POSes.
Ending up in a bad corp can sour your initial Eve experience but don't let it make you quit. If it doesn't work out don't be afraid to cut your losses and try to find a new one. And as Vimsy alludes too, if you join and find out after a few weeks that the CEO is clueless and wasting your time or trying to exploit your for his/her personal gain, I suggest you drop by the Belligerent Undesirables in-game channel before you quit. You can get some advice/help to make a memorable exit from that corp and teach them a lesson about trying to mess with new players on your way out the door.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4039
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Posted - 2014.12.10 23:02:57 -
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Firstly, good on you for being dilligent about your safety.
Now ask yourself. "Do I have anything that's worth a scammer's while, either to steal or to destroy, if that scammer is worth twenty billion ISK and makes two billion a month?"
If the answer is no, it's likely that they have more to fear from you than you do from them.
If someone is spamming invites in a rookie system, I would expect that this is a tax collection scam - entice new players with a lower tax rate than the NPC corps but still one that is higher than normal, and then do nothing for them other than collect taxes. I considered making one of those with the new Rhea changes (although recruiting in different systems).
You should teach the corp leadership a lesson by pretending to be a harmless noob, then showing them that you are in fact a newbie with teeth. Try to fleet up with the CEO and blow up their best ship.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
120
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Posted - 2014.12.11 03:17:04 -
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Vetting a corporation on your part is an excellent idea.
There are so many corps that really offer nothing other than "we do all the things" and often they have no vetting system themselves. The vast majority of these are harmless but you'll really not get much out of them, and as others have pointed out, they are very susceptible to infiltration by those that will do them harm. You can take advantage of that or you can be a victim of that.
Avoid any corporation that wants you to pay something up front whether that's ISK or goods. The corporation itself may be legit but there are some that allow non-recruiters to scam hopeful applicants.
Look for a corporation that has specific goals or play style similar to your own, and if they have a process such as needing you to provide an API, and perhaps a further vetting process of you then they are probably worth it.
No one is going to set up a comprehensive application process (time, effort, perhaps tool development) for the sake of a long con to try and scam newer pilots out of their ISK or stuff.
If they are exercising due diligence on you then that's always a good sign.
There are a lot of good newbie friendly and newbie focused corps out there, especially ones that help you learn the game. The recruitment forums and the recruiting channel in game can be good places to browse and hang out to find what you're looking for. Ask questions of others. Many corps also have their own public channels that you can join to start to get to know what they're about.
Bottom line is to not rush into anything, ask questions, do background searches and checks on them yourself, and never fall for recruiting fee scams (in other words, if they want you to pay something up front, don't). |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4969
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Posted - 2014.12.11 07:51:42 -
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Open up the sticky on this forum called New Citizen Q&A Resources.
Now look for the link " How to find the corporation that suits you" made by NightCrawler85.
Click that link and read that guide. It is helpful in finding the corp that suits you.
And, tip...
In general do NOT go for the corp that spam local or do "undock depot" advertizing. In general they are just looking for numbers and are not of the highest quality.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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Gregor Parud
777
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Posted - 2014.12.11 10:28:19 -
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One of the easiest scams is the "our mission runner corp has x% tax, we explain to you that we use this to pay for all kinds of really funky goodies. In no way do we get rich of the dozens of slaves who on a daily basis make us 100s of millions, while in return we'll drop some ****** ammo in the hangar just to keep you quiet".
Another isn't so much a scam but more of a "we're all fcking terrible, lazy and hilariously stupid. All we do is grind PVE and we don't even put any real thought into it, that's how bad we are and if you explain to us how to optimise what we're doing we're too stupid to accept it. Please join our corp so that you can become as terrible as us and you waste your precious time while we feed you with illogical bullshit, mistaken knowledge and show you a really boring & bad version of EVE so you can then quit 3 months later in disgust. We found that the best way to trap as many new players as possible is to state that 'we do everything in EVE, it's fun here'". |
Memphis Baas
2
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Posted - 2014.12.11 11:26:11 -
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Another way to look at it is: assume that you're going to expend the time and lose whatever ships you bring with you, is the corp delivering anything of equal value to you? Training, access to lowsec or null, organized PVP opportunities, ships and gear? And the question after that, can they deliver what they're promising? Look at the number of players, try to find some killboard data, etc. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
919
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Posted - 2014.12.11 13:39:24 -
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Cymek Agamemnon wrote:Am I being overly paranoid?
A bit, yes. While it is certainly possible and easy, having candy stolen from babies is actually quite rare as there is a definite lack of profit from that. In game terms, that means while a couple of million ISK might seem a lot for a new player, in truth this is not really even pocket change and certainly not something that justifies getting active. If you are still worried about getting scammed, just leave your stuff where it currently is (or liquify it) and start fresh when you are with your new Corp; good Corps should be willing to help you get started, especially Null-Sec Corps.
That said, it is always wise to check up on who your future "friends" are: evewho.com allows you to check the Corp and its members, battleclinic.com generally lets you check an Corp or even individual Pilots for kills and losses, etc.
Also make liberal use of Google in connection with your future Corp: I notice this forum is lacking a "I have been swindled out of 500 million ISK by a certain Corp to join them!!!"-thread for some time now; don-Št be the one who breaks this string (and its just slander and lies anyway).
Forum-unbanned since 2011.10.20.
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
771
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Posted - 2014.12.11 15:53:50 -
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J'Poll wrote:Open up the sticky on this forum called New Citizen Q&A Resources.
Now look for the link " How to find the corporation that suits you" made by NightCrawler85.
Click that link and read that guide. It is helpful in finding the corp that suits you. Getting really lazy JP, or just on your phone?
Adventures
New player with questions? Join my public channel in game: House Forelli
GSLLC is recruiting
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
794
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:51:52 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:J'Poll wrote:Open up the sticky on this forum called New Citizen Q&A Resources.
Now look for the link " How to find the corporation that suits you" made by NightCrawler85.
Click that link and read that guide. It is helpful in finding the corp that suits you. Getting really lazy JP, or just on your phone?
sometimes it is good to teach people to use resources
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
420
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Posted - 2014.12.11 20:01:06 -
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I might also add that finding a good corp doesn't mean that just because someone might pick your pockets you should go and pick someone else's first like the few first posters suggested.
On the contrary you can actually do just fine in EVE without scamming or being a complete d*ck to anyone but your out of game cadre group. |
Rusto Artwik
Wooly bully's
0
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:02:08 -
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Most of us smaller corps just want to get our numbers up so we can make a diff and learn from each other. Having a new player isnt as bad as some may think. They can get a head start on what they want to do by flying with others. When they find what they want to do, then you have a new member for that part of your corp.. Let people do what they want and help them as much as you can along the way...just my humble voice....But there are some out to use you for sure..As a meatshield or whatever....lol |
Syssitia Nikostratos
Black Anvil Industries SpaceMonkey's Alliance
22
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:54:31 -
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Honestly, I think most of them mean well, the newbie recruiters. There are quite a few high sec corps that do want to help out the newbie, fancy themselves a mentor and have a vision of a loyal minion once that newbie becomes a vet because, after all, didn't the corp take them in and mold them when they were but a pup?
It rarely works that way, though. From what I've heard and what I've seen in my own - granted, limited - experience with carebear corps, it mostly ends up with nobody really knowing what anyone else is doing, lots and lots of mining (fine if that's your thing, death if it's not) and you still end up pretty much slogging through on your own.
I've been in my new corp for three days-ish and have learned more than I did my entire 3 1/2 months in EVE thus far, including my brief time in a hi sec corp. The hi sec corp wasn't a scam, just not a well-run corp, which can be just as bad.
Google is your friend, searching the forum for the corp's name and leaders names is good too, to see if there's negative talk and whether it's justified.
Also, when it comes to moving to their headquarters, if that's in null, just sell everything and take your fastest ship and zip down there. Don't worry about a ship that can fight back, worry about one that's hard to catch. I chose a Heron and just raced through systems until I got to my new home. You can rebuy everything once you're down there and lots of corps help newbs with ships and skills and so do random corpmates. A very nice corpmate of mine today gave me a fully fit salvaging ship then let me tag along while he ran mission sites so I could have all the loot and salvage. He just wanted the bounties and while a fully fit ship and 100 mill in loot and salvage is nothing to him, he knew it'd help me. That's what you want in a corp - people who are fun and help you learn and offer to help when you're brand new and everything's confusing.
Then you return the favor when you can.
Good luck! :)
"I thought I had a great idea today, but it never really took off. In fact, it didn't even get on the runway. I guess you could say it exploded in the hangar."
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
4425
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Posted - 2014.12.12 01:02:12 -
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I like to sit in corp public channels and observe. Especially public interviews.
I also like to send the CEO or recruiters an EVE-mail describing myself and ask some basic questions, and see if they reply, and how long it takes (if ever). |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4973
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Posted - 2014.12.12 12:21:03 -
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Cara Forelli wrote:J'Poll wrote:Open up the sticky on this forum called New Citizen Q&A Resources.
Now look for the link " How to find the corporation that suits you" made by NightCrawler85.
Click that link and read that guide. It is helpful in finding the corp that suits you. Getting really lazy JP, or just on your phone?
Phone, so copy-paste is ****.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
296
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Posted - 2014.12.13 15:10:37 -
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Ignore random invites in newb systems. These are rarely scammers, but rather just terrible players that know little more about Eve than the newbs they are trying to recruit. Corp management is very complex and it takes a serious dedication to and understanding of Eve to make it work.
When looking for a corp, consider first- -- what it is you want to do in Eve -- how much time you have to invest in Eve -- your time zone and times you are usually online -- your own knowledge of the game itself
Be honest about these things, with yourself and any recruiter for a corp. Any decent recruiter will only continue with recruitment if you fit into the corp's play style and goals.
For example, when I went looking for a new home last time and found Sabotage Incorporated, I: -- wanted to progress beyond small gang low sec piracy into large scale null sec PvP -- have quite a bit of free time to dedicate to Eve -- being retired here in the US, I could be online during EU prime (evening) times (EXE is heavily euro) -- I had experience with PvP and fleet action, just not on a large scale
From both the perspective of myself and the recruiter, this made me a good fit. I would be able to play during their peak times, could hold my own in combat, and was likely to actually participate and contribute to the corp/alliance. My CEO was especially concerned about my being a US player, showing he cared more about me being able to find content and fleets than simply having another warm body in corp. This was discussed, but since I am retired, I actually prefer playing during the day here- evening in the EU timezones. I was accepted and have been with EXE for going on two years now.
Avoid 'shotgun' recruitment ads. Corps that list pretty much all the content in Eve as 'what they do' are likely to do none of it on any serious level. Again, using my own example- all Sabotage Inc asked of me was to be there to support alliance PvP fleets because they hold sov. Beyond that, I am free to do anything whatsoever, including not even log on. Once in the corp/alliance it's easy to find people that do any given content to team up with.
You should be as selective in applying to a corp as the corp should be selective in accepting you. I looked at a hundred corp recruitment adverts before narrowing down a couple options. I then spoke with people in their public channels. I looked at their killboards for activity and common ship types and times they were active. Only then did I even consider applying. And I only needed to apply to a single corp rather than shotgun apps to several.
It just takes honesty and communication to find a good home in New Eden. Both on your part as well as the recruiter you are speaking to. |
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