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Zetsubou Gakusei
All-Out
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Posted - 2014.12.11 09:20:44 -
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I have recently set up a small POS in a hi-sec system close to a trading hub and I've been using it for research and production but I'm afraid I might just have been wasting money right now.
What are my options for improvement? Should I just stick to stations or should I expand to a bigger POS? Maybe I'm not using it to its full potential?
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Metzger Dresdner
Malevolent Crackheads
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Posted - 2014.12.11 10:50:56 -
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If you make enough profit to fuel it and repay yourself for the cost of the tower in a reasonable time it's not a waste. |
Zetsubou Gakusei
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Posted - 2014.12.11 10:53:42 -
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Metzger Dresdner wrote:If you make enough profit to fuel it and repay yourself for the cost of the tower in a reasonable time it's not a waste.
I don't really know if it can be done though, right now I still haven't regained the investment for the POS tower and the modules, I'd like to know if other people managed to turn a profit and how much time it took them doing so.
Also a question for the experts: Can I get better refining than stations in hi-sec with a small pos? If not what would I need at minimum for that? |
Selaria Unbertable
POS Mortem Renegades Of Silence
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Posted - 2014.12.11 11:14:48 -
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Zetsubou Gakusei wrote:I have recently set up a small POS in a hi-sec system close to a trading hub and I've been using it for research and production but I'm afraid I might just have been wasting money right now.
What are my options for improvement? Should I just stick to stations or should I expand to a bigger POS? Maybe I'm not using it to its full potential?
I'd like to hear opinions from other people running POSes and turning a profit
It can be profitable, as long as you utilize it enough. I'd say for one character, a small tower is not really necessary, but can be quite useful. If you have more (I currently have 4 characters capable of manufacturing T1 and T2 items), it's easier to negate the maintenance costs. A small tower is about 150k ISK per hour in fuel, which is 1 production slot (unless you build ammo, which has far less ISK/h). This can be easily covered with a single character, so 9-10 production slots remain (depending on your skill). By choosing the right things to build, fuel costs can be easily covered. |
Selaria Unbertable
POS Mortem Renegades Of Silence
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Posted - 2014.12.11 11:19:29 -
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Zetsubou Gakusei wrote:Metzger Dresdner wrote:If you make enough profit to fuel it and repay yourself for the cost of the tower in a reasonable time it's not a waste. I don't really know if it can be done though, right now I still haven't regained the investment for the POS tower and the modules, I'd like to know if other people managed to turn a profit and how much time it took them doing so. Also a question for the experts: Can I get better refining than stations in hi-sec with a small pos? If not what would I need at minimum for that?
As you can sell the POS tower and modules at any time, with almost zero loss, I don't see at as an investment, rather an asset like ships (with a smaller risk of losing it). And yes, POS refining arrays have a higher yield than NPC stations, 52 instead of 50% (and no NPC taxes/standings required). Might be a little difficult to run one parallel to labs and assembly arrays though, since the refining array requires quite an amount of CPU. |
Saeko Allas-Rui
French Kiss Singularity Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2014.12.11 11:21:24 -
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Zetsubou Gakusei wrote:
Also a question for the experts: Can I get better refining than stations in hi-sec with a small pos? If not what would I need at minimum for that?
You can anchor a repocessing array at a small POS and online it only when you need it (you might need to offline some module to do so, but you can online them back after you're done). The repocessing array has a base refining multiplier of 0.52 (0.5 max in station) and only refines ores and ice. It's not subject to NPC tax either |
Saeko Allas-Rui
French Kiss Singularity Astromechanica Federatis
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Posted - 2014.12.11 11:22:43 -
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With Max skill and the +4 reprocessing implant, you reach 75% in reprocessing yield in a refining array |
Zetsubou Gakusei
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Posted - 2014.12.11 11:31:10 -
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Thanks guys, you were all really helpful! I'll keep this thing going and see if I can squeeze some more isk out of this, right now I have only been producing ammo so I'll spend some time on eve IPH to see what I could produce to keep the factories busy all the time |
Jurico Elemenohpe
14th Legion The Bloc
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Posted - 2014.12.11 14:22:26 -
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If you're making more than you would be using a station, after paying for fuel, it's worth it. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
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Posted - 2014.12.11 15:37:08 -
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unless they changed something on the reprocessing array, you can not have one in 0.4 and higher space
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Selaria Unbertable
POS Mortem Renegades Of Silence
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Posted - 2014.12.11 16:05:10 -
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Agondray wrote:unless they changed something on the reprocessing array, you can not have one in 0.4 and higher space
This has been recently changed. There are 2 different reprocessing array, the regular one (can be anchored everywhere), and the intense one (with 54% base yield), which can only be anchored in low and null sec. |
Zetsubou Gakusei
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Posted - 2014.12.11 16:14:05 -
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Selaria Unbertable wrote:Agondray wrote:unless they changed something on the reprocessing array, you can not have one in 0.4 and higher space This has been recently changed. There are 2 different reprocessing array, the regular one (can be anchored everywhere), and the intense one (with 54% base yield), which can only be anchored in low and null sec.
According to the outdated guides the smaller one actually has worse yeld than stations, how is it with the new changes? |
Selaria Unbertable
POS Mortem Renegades Of Silence
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Posted - 2014.12.11 17:12:45 -
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A current high sec station has a yield of 50%, but with decreasing NPC taxes of 10% until you hit a standing of 6.66 with that Corp. A reprocessing array has 52%, an intense one 54%, so refining in one of those is generally better than at a station. Outposts can reach up to 60% base yield with upgrades afaik. |
Elena Thiesant
Sun Micro Systems
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Posted - 2014.12.11 18:05:01 -
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Agondray wrote:unless they changed something on the reprocessing array, you can not have one in 0.4 and higher space
Changed 6 months ago.
Reprocessing array - anywhere Intensive reprocessing array - 0.4 and below. |
Bael Gar
Russian SOBR Dream Fleet
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:07:45 -
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Saeko Allas-Rui wrote:With Max skill and the +4 reprocessing implant, you reach 75% in reprocessing yield in a refining array
Are you shure? As far as I know, POS refining arrays do not benefit from players skills. Only Ice can be processed at POS without losses.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:23:29 -
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*shrug* I still have a large POS, and it turns a profit without me even trying.
If I didn't use the POS, I'd have to pay the 10% NPC tax, jobs would take longer, and require more materials.
I recommend doing the math for your own usage case.
I also have a second small POS, located in a favorable system, for only compressing and reprocessing. This POS is offline most of the time. I only online it for an hour or two when I need it; one can do many freighter-full jobs in that time.
Bael Gar wrote:Saeko Allas-Rui wrote:With Max skill and the +4 reprocessing implant, you reach 75% in reprocessing yield in a refining array Are you shure? As far as I know, POS refining arrays do not benefit from players skills. Only Ice can be processed at POS without losses. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4770202#post4770202 https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4780736#post4780736
Tau Cabalander wrote:Max Skill At 52% Reprocessing Array and 4% Refining Implant = 72.358% * (1 + 4%) = 75.25232% [or +1.67232%] |
Zetsubou Gakusei
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Posted - 2014.12.12 11:45:21 -
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I was under the impression that reprocessing arrays could reprocess modules but... apparently not? Did I just waste money for something I don't need, since I don't mine at all? |
Marcus Tedric
Tedric Enterprises The Star League
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Posted - 2014.12.12 11:59:34 -
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The other thing to consider (if you're researching at the POS) is how much you are actually saving!
Compare the research cost at the POS to the same research at an NPC station.......
You may not be 'profiting' so much by running the POS, but you will save heaps and heaps.
You can run a small POS for research and still have enough CPU to online a Compression or Reprocessing array as needed. |
Ekaterina 'Ghetto' Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2014.12.14 13:21:52 -
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Zetsubou Gakusei wrote:I was under the impression that reprocessing arrays could reprocess modules but... apparently not? Did I just waste money for something I don't need, since I don't mine at all?
LOL. In your initial question you stated 'refining' therefore it was logical to presume that you meant you were mining. Regarding reprocessing non-ore items you can't do that in a POS array so you'll have to do that at an NPC station. Not that it will give that good a return since CCP halved the yield on reprocessing loot.
Regarding skill requirements for the reprocessing arrays at POSes in the initial development stage for the industry changes there were not going to be skill requirements for the array. This was pointed out as a loophole and it was changed prior to release. You don't need the 'effective' NPC standings but you will need level five in the relevant skills and the RX-804 hardwiring to get maximum yield there.
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Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
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Posted - 2014.12.15 18:59:18 -
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Zetsubou Gakusei wrote:I was under the impression that reprocessing arrays could reprocess modules but... apparently not? Did I just waste money for something I don't need, since I don't mine at all? Figured you meant ore / ice.
All facilities for crap are capped at 50%, and by training Scrap Metal Processing you can raise that to 55%.
There is no way to reprocess scrap at a POS. There never has been (well, once upon a time one could do rogue drone alloys, but that hasn't been the case for a while). |
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