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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2014.12.11 17:46:02 -
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Various pilots who've been exploring the newly-opened wormhole systems have begun charting and cataloguing their finds. One particularly thorough explorer has provided us images of Sansha battlestations, a destroyed Revenant, and other Sansha facilities alongside Sleeper ruins. Link here, with all credit to pilot Straevaras.
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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
46
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Posted - 2014.12.11 18:19:31 -
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So. Sansha studied Talocan then someone came and kicked them in the butt. Who should I thank?
Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
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Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
665
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Posted - 2014.12.11 18:22:02 -
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Interesting. You have found the leaves. Will you find the forest? |
Sansh Leko
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.11 18:26:33 -
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You might want to include Talocan abandoned ships into this puzzle.
I have found one Talocan Embarkment Destroyer in newly shattered wormhole.
"This Talocan ship wreckage drifts in space with surprising grace and efficiency. Even completely offline and abandoned, the
embarkment destroyer appears to have been created for just this function, or at least for survival across vast stretches of
unknown space for extended periods of time. Despite its incapacitated status, the wreckage looks sturdy enough to be rebuilt;
perhaps its appearance is merely a ruse, a trap set long ago by a dead civilization. Regardless, caution is recommended."
Talocan Destroyer |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
5105
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Posted - 2014.12.11 18:33:16 -
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Some ponderances and theorising I've done that people might find useful - or not.
Firstly, Nation vessels deployed to these areas seem to be a mix of "old Sansha" (i.e. ships possessing the "Centii" designation) and "new Sansha" (i.e. ships possessing a designation consisting of an abduction site and a section of the brain, such as "Romi Thalamus"), which would suggest that either there is some limitation to the number of the significantly more powerful and dangerous "new Sansha" that the Nation can afford to deploy to the unknown regions, or that there is some other compelling reason to occupy primarily with older, less powerful vessels. We drift into the realm of hypothesis, but perhaps the Nation is worried the Sleepers might reverse-engineer the more advanced technologies of "new Sansha?"
I think for a long time now we've been operating under the assumption that the resurgent Nation's "new Sansha" are based at least partially on principles and discoveries made from the reverse-engineering of Sleeper technology. It would explain the vastly superior offensive, defensive and logistical systems that Sansha seen in incursions seem to possess when compared to Centii or "old" Sansha, especially since they seem to roughly resemble the offensive and defensive capabilities of Sleeper drones. It now seems plausible that these systems we're now witnessing are where they harvested these technologies.
These systems look like they've been occupied by the Nation's forces for some time - this is not a development that occured in the past couple of days since the new wormholes opened. Nation have been there long enough for some of their stations to have fallen to ruin - we should assume that they've been there at least since the wormholes opened after the Seyllin Incident, and although unlikely, it's not beyond the realms of feasibility that they might have been there longer.
I have heard rumours some of the wormholes leading to these new systems have unusually small mass limits, allowing nothing larger than a destroyer through - can anyone confirm this?
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24447
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Posted - 2014.12.11 18:53:30 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Nation have been there long enough for some of their stations to have fallen to ruin - we should assume that they've been there at least since the wormholes opened after the Seyllin Incident, and although unlikely, it's not beyond the realms of feasibility that they might have been there longer.
What happens if we just, blow them up?
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Havohej
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.12.11 18:54:47 -
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Anslo wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Nation have been there long enough for some of their stations to have fallen to ruin - we should assume that they've been there at least since the wormholes opened after the Seyllin Incident, and although unlikely, it's not beyond the realms of feasibility that they might have been there longer. What happens if we just, blow them up? I believe you will find things that you do not want to find.
Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24447
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Posted - 2014.12.11 18:55:36 -
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Havohej wrote:Anslo wrote:Andreus Ixiris wrote:Nation have been there long enough for some of their stations to have fallen to ruin - we should assume that they've been there at least since the wormholes opened after the Seyllin Incident, and although unlikely, it's not beyond the realms of feasibility that they might have been there longer. What happens if we just, blow them up? I believe you will find things that you do not want to find.
Excellent. Let's do it.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Havohej
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
88
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Posted - 2014.12.11 18:56:55 -
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Anslo wrote:Excellent. Let's do it. You have my Falcon.
Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.
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Avio Yaken
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
1707
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:10:07 -
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Havohej wrote:Anslo wrote:Excellent. Let's do it. You have my Falcon.
You have my ax- I mean Harpy
One does not simply, Cope with the scope
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland The 99 Percent
923
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:19:15 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Some ponderances and theorising I've done that people might find useful - or not.
Firstly, Nation vessels deployed to these areas seem to be a mix of "old Sansha" (i.e. ships possessing the "Centii" designation) and "new Sansha" (i.e. ships possessing a designation consisting of an abduction site and a section of the brain, such as "Romi Thalamus"), which would suggest that either there is some limitation to the number of the significantly more powerful and dangerous "new Sansha" that the Nation can afford to deploy to the unknown regions, or that there is some other compelling reason to occupy primarily with older, less powerful vessels. We drift into the realm of hypothesis, but perhaps the Nation is worried the Sleepers might reverse-engineer the more advanced technologies of "new Sansha?"
I think for a long time now we've been operating under the assumption that the resurgent Nation's "new Sansha" are based at least partially on principles and discoveries made from the reverse-engineering of Sleeper technology. It would explain the vastly superior offensive, defensive and logistical systems that Sansha seen in incursions seem to possess when compared to Centii or "old" Sansha, especially since they seem to roughly resemble the offensive and defensive capabilities of Sleeper drones. It now seems plausible that these systems we're now witnessing are where they harvested these technologies.
These systems look like they've been occupied by the Nation's forces for some time - this is not a development that occured in the past couple of days since the new wormholes opened. Nation have been there long enough for some of their stations to have fallen to ruin - we should assume that they've been there at least since the wormholes opened after the Seyllin Incident, and although unlikely, it's not beyond the realms of feasibility that they might have been there longer.
I have heard rumours some of the wormholes leading to these new systems have unusually small mass limits, allowing nothing larger than a destroyer through - can anyone confirm this?
This makes a great deal of sense. In order to obtain the technology to upgrade their fleet, Sansha's would have had to bring in the older model ships in order to commandeer the structures and make them safe enough to explore and analyze.
In order to crew those ships, they would need more... well, crew. So, logic dictates that once they had enough crew to initiate an incursion, they would then abduct people to convert into new crew.
One could then surmise that something bad happened, resulting in the destruction of their base of operations in w-space. Perhaps thier wormhole generator went hyper-active or something, resulting in the sterilization of dozens of linked systems, similar to the Seyellin incident.
Also, were the Talocan not experts in the field of spatial manipulation? If anyone could have created a stable artificial wormhole generator, it would have been them. I think Nation merely copied what they found.
On an aside, the naming scheme for the incursion fleets does indeed seem to follow 1: site of abduction and 2: a part of the brain. Since the Sanshas are similar to a hive mind, it makes sense that they would all be a part of a single brain, with the specific part indicating what role they play within the whole.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Havohej
Scope Works
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:22:42 -
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Foley Abraxas Jones for Gallente President.
Strike us like matches, 'cause everyone deserves the flames.
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland The 99 Percent
924
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:30:38 -
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For the love of the State...
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Liuni Kalthis
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
89
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:31:53 -
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Havohej wrote:Anslo wrote:Excellent. Let's do it. You have my Falcon.
And my noctis. |
Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
5109
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:48:54 -
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Anslo wrote:What happens if we just, blow them up? Blowing up Sansha's Nation and the people that support them or give them sanctuary is never not a good idea. Be my guest.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24453
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:50:44 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Anslo wrote:What happens if we just, blow them up? Blowing up Sansha's Nation and the people that support them or give them sanctuary is never not a good idea. Be my guest.
And your Moros?
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ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
544
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:53:55 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Anslo wrote:What happens if we just, blow them up? Blowing up Sansha's Nation and the people that support them or give them sanctuary is never not a good idea. Be my guest.
Now that isn't terribly open minded, now is it? Maybe you could learn a few things from them. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4301
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:55:25 -
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Soldarius wrote:For the love of the State...
Shhh... Let it happen, we'll have the whole of Home back within the month.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
5111
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:56:13 -
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Anslo wrote:And your Moros? Are you implying you want to blow up my Moros, or that you want me to pledge its presence in support of your blowing-up-Sansha initiative?
Because either way, you're going to be disappointed. I don't even have a Moros.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24455
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:58:51 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Anslo wrote:And your Moros? Are you implying you want to blow up my Moros, or that you want me to pledge its presence in support of your blowing-up-Sansha initiative? Because either way, you're going to be disappointed. I don't even have a Moros. Well bring something big so we can blow stuff up.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
5111
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Posted - 2014.12.11 19:59:49 -
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Would a Nidhoggur help? I'm at the point where I'm almost trying to get rid of it.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24455
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Posted - 2014.12.11 20:01:07 -
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Get out.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Andreus Ixiris
Duty. Circle-Of-Two
5111
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Posted - 2014.12.11 20:05:33 -
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Well fine, if there's something you actually want me to fly, you can provide it. I can fly just about anything these days.
Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.
Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.
Andreus Ixiris > ...
Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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Tyrel Toov
Eplison Enterprises
157
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Posted - 2014.12.11 20:10:53 -
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Andreus Ixiris wrote:Anslo wrote:And your Moros? Are you implying you want to blow up my Moros, or that you want me to pledge its presence in support of your blowing-up-Sansha initiative? Because either way, you're going to be disappointed. I don't even have a Moros. Well, go get one so you can pledge it's presence to the blowing-up-Sansha initiative.... then maby getting it blown up...
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
870
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:28:23 -
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The technology the sansha are using for their ships is likely of sleeper origin, but I am pretty sure at this point the wormhole generation tech is of Talocan origin. The question remains though, whether it was reverse engineered or directly refurbished, though, considering the active talocan structures in these new systems, I am leaning toward believing the latter.
On interesting thing to note is that the majority of the new systems are in different constellations of the same regions of space as the rest of the systems in Sleeper space previously on the wormhole network. Despite this, I have heard reports of Sansha presence but NO sleeper presence. Are there systems in the midst of Sleeper space untouched by them, or have the Sansha become so powerful they can fully drive back th Sleeper drones? |
Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
24456
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:31:11 -
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If we can down Sansha, one of the Ancients can too.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6505
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Posted - 2014.12.11 22:34:31 -
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Kraid-haan; another PRIAN pilot has surveyed a shattered system, and saw only evidence of Sleeper presence. When you located J001670, did you spot any unusual signatures or anomalies, or was it all standard Sleeper presence?
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Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
870
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Posted - 2014.12.12 00:39:05 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Kraid-haan; another PRIAN pilot has surveyed a shattered system, and saw only evidence of Sleeper presence. When you located J001670, did you spot any unusual signatures or anomalies, or was it all standard Sleeper presence? The only signatures I found were a gas cloud and wormholes leading to the C5 I cam from as well as a null system and a lowsec system (I didn't not think to check which systems). There were a number of sleeper facilities, but they were all standard for the calss of wormhole.
Aside from those, there was an epicenter much like the one in Thera very near the star which contained a wrecked Sleeper enclave, some active Talocan structures, and a number of unstable wormholes.
The only think unusual about the system was the presence of an epicenter and the state of the celestials (all planets shattered, and the sun was unusually turbulent. My data also indicates a nearby pulsar, but that isn't unusual in that area of space. |
Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
870
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Posted - 2014.12.12 00:50:53 -
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Speaking of celestials.
I have noticed an interesting correlation. As far as I am aware, up till now, the systems that have suffered shattering of one or more planets are blue stars (my data indicates type A0, which is a main sequence star of average absolute magnitude). These new systems, including Thera, we have been discovering that are full of shattered planets all seem to have blue stars as well (in this case, though, type A0IV which are blue subgiants). Given this, I suspect that the specific surface temperature of type A stars plays some role in either triggering, sustaining, or perpetuating whatever event shatters planets, while either the type of nucleosynthesis or the luminosity is tied to the level of destruction.
I can only shudder to thing of what would happen if a blue giant were to suffer one of these events. |
Verdis deMosays
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
76
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Posted - 2014.12.12 02:47:44 -
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Xindi Kraid wrote:Speaking of celestials.
I have noticed an interesting correlation. As far as I am aware, up till now, the systems that have suffered shattering of one or more planets are blue stars (my data indicates type A0, which is a main sequence star of average absolute magnitude). These new systems, including Thera, we have been discovering that are full of shattered planets all seem to have blue stars as well (in this case, though, type A0IV which are blue subgiants). Given this, I suspect that the specific surface temperature of type A stars plays some role in either triggering, sustaining, or perpetuating whatever event shatters planets, while either the type of nucleosynthesis or the luminosity is tied to the level of destruction.
I can only shudder to thing of what would happen if a blue giant were to suffer one of these events.
Until the recent reports trickled in of multiple shockwaves propagating off of "Caroline's Star," my hypothesis was that it was a blue supergiant that had a run-in with Isogen V. Isotope, not corp. And thus became a massive supernova. Sadly, data suggests otherwise, so back to the drafting hologram. I really wonder if anyone has talked with residents of that side of space? These technological gods we call the Jove should have something to say after a catastrophe of this magnitude in their home system. Unless they're stubborn as the Caldari, in which case we get nothing. |
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