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TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:07:14 -
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Insurance package. Insure 10x of the same ship for a higher insurance payback for each of the ships.
alternatively you must insure all 10x ships at the same time, otherwise it wont work.
a fun little way to collect pvp ships and prepare to "having fun throwing them away" later after you afforded the insurance |
Rino00 Madeveda
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:20:01 -
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I have mixed feelings about this. And here is why- insuring multiple ships at a time could save you a ton of time. That concept I agree would be awesome to add in for players who love to pvp.
The problem with a better payout is that you're already saving time so it should be the same rate otherwise everyone will bulk insure. |
Foxicity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:30:26 -
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TheExtruder wrote:Insurance package. Insure 10x of the same ship for a higher insurance payback for each of the ships.
alternatively you must insure all 10x ships at the same time, otherwise it wont work.
a fun little way to collect pvp ships and prepare to "having fun throwing them away" later after you afforded the insurance
The discount part, as stated above, I'm feeling iffy about it. However, I'd be all over supporting:
1) Being able to set a default insurance level so that clicking 'Insure' immediately does so
2) Being able to 'Insure' a stack of ships or a selection of ships instantly in the same way |
TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
38
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:31:40 -
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i guess the insurance companies will love profiting from this kind of deals because a capsuleers thirst for variety in pvp can always be relied on. I think most people wont finish flying all 10x of those ships in time before the insurance runs out. |
Foxicity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
32
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:38:13 -
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TheExtruder wrote:I think most people wont finish flying all 10x of those ships in time before the insurance runs out.
There is logic behind what you say. You and I could certainly burn up 10 ships before the period expired, but most players probably would not. Not to mention many players cannot afford to buy 10 of any given ship just to get a cheaper insurance. |
Rino00 Madeveda
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:48:23 -
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I somewhat disagree. I feel like depending on the hull of the ship you may be able to afford to fit 10 ships for pvp before insurance runs out. If you can afford to buy and fit 10 ships, you should be able to afford the insurance costs.
I know personally I insure 3 different ships, but they are not dedicated for pvp, and I'm almost counting on them NOT being destroyed. One of the ships I almost do want to be destroyed, although I'm using it to haul expensive items, and the payout for the ship is over twice what I paid for the ship itself as I've owned it for many years (yes this is an alt). |
TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
38
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Posted - 2014.12.12 20:59:32 -
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i have 300 mil Phantasm in my hanger just gathering dust, if i had a higher insurance payout for that ship, then I would make it my goal to have 10x of those Phantasms. My overall loss would be less in the end. Goals are nice to have in terms of ship schemes i think there is potential in that |
Foxicity
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:08:51 -
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TheExtruder wrote:i have 300 mil Phantasm in my hanger just gathering dust, if i had a higher insurance payout for that ship, then I would make it my goal to have 10x of those Phantasms. My overall loss would be less in the end. Goals are nice to have in terms of ship schemes i think there is potential in that
Actually, considering this in the meta of EVE, this might be healthy for PVP, psychologically. Making losing stacks of ships a little cheaper, and then the implied fact of owning a stack of cheaper ships, might encourage people to undock and do crazier stuff with their ships. |
TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
38
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Posted - 2014.12.12 21:24:32 -
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Foxicity wrote:TheExtruder wrote:i have 300 mil Phantasm in my hanger just gathering dust, if i had a higher insurance payout for that ship, then I would make it my goal to have 10x of those Phantasms. My overall loss would be less in the end. Goals are nice to have in terms of ship schemes i think there is potential in that Actually, considering this in the meta of EVE, this might be healthy for PVP, psychologically. Making losing stacks of ships a little cheaper, and then the implied fact of owning a stack of cheaper ships, might encourage people to undock and do crazier stuff with their ships.
well put |
Rino00 Madeveda
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.14 03:12:07 -
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Still, it would encourage players to insure in bulk opposed to now. Also the problem becomes how many insurance does it cost? And how much cash does it pay out vs the mineral value. |
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
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Posted - 2014.12.14 03:17:08 -
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Rino00 Madeveda wrote:Still, it would encourage players to insure in bulk opposed to now. Also the problem becomes how many insurance does it cost? And how much cash does it pay out vs the mineral value.
Always a valid concern.
Additionally, insurance probably just needs to go away altogether.
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TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
40
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:04:19 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:Rino00 Madeveda wrote:Still, it would encourage players to insure in bulk opposed to now. Also the problem becomes how many insurance does it cost? And how much cash does it pay out vs the mineral value. Always a valid concern. Additionally, insurance probably just needs to go away altogether.
insurance go away altogether? |
TheExtruder
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
40
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Posted - 2014.12.14 17:08:35 -
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Rino00 Madeveda wrote:Still, it would encourage players to insure in bulk opposed to now. Also the problem becomes how many insurance does it cost? And how much cash does it pay out vs the mineral value.
not everyone would insure in bulk especially if they they have never flown the ship before |
Rino00 Madeveda
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.12.15 03:35:54 -
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FT Diomedes wrote:
Additionally, insurance probably just needs to go away altogether.
That I will respectfully disagree with. My logic is- not all players will loose their ships that they insure. For pvp, maybe it isn't wise to keep insurance available. But then the problem becomes when insurance was bought as protection to alleviate gank costs for expensive ships but relatively cheap fittings (say marauders) and they get removed from insurance protection there is likely going to be a lesser amount of people flying those ships. Personally, I'd insure a Marauder I'm flying if I'm earning isk with it, due to how cost effective suicide ganking them is compared to the value of the ships they'd use to gank me in.
But then on another character, I have a ship that I probably won't ever get the payout for. I'm spending the isk "just in case" I get ganked and loose the contents of the ship rather than the ship itself. Just saying it helps, but ultimately if you never loose your ship, you are loosing isk paying for insurance. |
Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2014.12.15 07:32:56 -
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TheExtruder wrote:Insurance package. Insure 10x of the same ship for a higher insurance payback for each of the ships.
alternatively you must insure all 10x ships at the same time, otherwise it wont work.
a fun little way to collect pvp ships and prepare to "having fun throwing them away" later after you afforded the insurance
Ah no, the insurance is okay enough it should not be suppose to give to a free reshipping. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1481
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Posted - 2014.12.15 07:45:39 -
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We need mass fitting, we could use mass insurance.
Thank you for cooperation
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TheExtruder
Internet Spaceship Business
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Posted - 2014.12.24 19:21:27 -
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Tabyll Altol wrote:TheExtruder wrote:Insurance package. Insure 10x of the same ship for a higher insurance payback for each of the ships.
alternatively you must insure all 10x ships at the same time, otherwise it wont work.
a fun little way to collect pvp ships and prepare to "having fun throwing them away" later after you afforded the insurance Ah no, the insurance is okay enough it should not be suppose to give to a free reshipping.
its not just about the money |
Phaedron
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.12.27 13:24:22 -
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TheExtruder wrote:Tabyll Altol wrote:TheExtruder wrote:Insurance package. Insure 10x of the same ship for a higher insurance payback for each of the ships.
alternatively you must insure all 10x ships at the same time, otherwise it wont work.
a fun little way to collect pvp ships and prepare to "having fun throwing them away" later after you afforded the insurance Ah no, the insurance is okay enough it should not be suppose to give to a free reshipping. its not just about the money
sure it is about the money. if it weren't about the money you wouldn't worry about insurance in the first place. the reason for insuring something is to ensure you gain a return on something lost. your motivation or intention appears to be just that. about "the money". otherwise group ship insure = good. extra payout for said group insurance = SMH.....no....bad.
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TheExtruder
Internet Spaceship Business
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Posted - 2014.12.27 13:46:30 -
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Its a simple and accessible opportunity for capsuleers to have more goals as well as collections. It will also be a big confidence boost and make people spend more on pvp ships that they wont fear losing as much. So i dont think its about the money but rather its about uplifting the less active pvp'ers.
If the insurance companies profit and the capsuleers profit.. seems to me its a win-win |
Phaedron
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.12.27 14:07:04 -
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TheExtruder wrote:Its a simple and accessible opportunity for capsuleers to have more goals as well as collections. It will also be a big confidence boost and make people spend more on pvp ships that they wont fear losing as much. So i dont think its about the money but rather its about uplifting the less active pvp'ers.
If the insurance companies profit and the capsuleers profit.. seems to me its a win-win
but it's not a win-win. it is a auto pick option that would likely break the insurance mechanic as it was originally intended to be used as. if people had this option and it has an extra payout than normal why would anyone ever choose the single option when they can spend a bit more and essentially gain free ships. so no i surely hope this never comes to pass.
however as i said before, i like the idea of group insurance of similar hulls. i am not a fan of extra ships from bonus insurance. as essentially that will negate the need for insurance, and/or all risk associated with actually flying said hull instead of being paranoid and insuring then spinning in station for XYZ time limit of insurance contract.
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