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Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point Warp to Cyno.
1233
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:22:54 -
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So, I was roaming in lowsec again with my favorite fed navy comet. I saw another fed navy in the novice, so I pursued him in. As I was landing, he warped away. I asked him why he did it and he told me he's too scared. He lost his comet about 30 minutes later to a kiting tristan.
This happens a LOT to me in lowsec. Last night, 2 comets bailed. About 2 weeks ago, I was sitting in a novice with a republic fleet firetail and another firetail appeared on dscan, he was sitting in front of the novice for about a minute and then he warped.
I asked him in local why he did it, and he told me he's worried about losing his ship.
In my opinion, the public killboard is CANCER. It kinda reminds me of call of duty and kills/losses ratio.
With eve, it's the same thing. People are too scared to take risks because of the possible loss. I'm pretty sure if there weren't any public killboard sites, there would be much more pvp in eve.
I have a little nasty daredevil with a faction web sitting in a lowsec station, but my corp/alliace wouldn't be happy if I lost it. I have a vindicator I'm eager to use in solo pvp, but my corp members would kill me if I caused 2 billion loss on KB. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.
I just wish there weren't no public killboards.
Combat log stats in eve should definitely stay, and imo one should be on the kill it even if he doesn't cause the final blow. You ***** on a killmail, it should appear in the combat log. That way, if there weren't public killboards, you'd still see and could link what you've lost/killed.
This is probably not going to happen, but it would be awesome if it did! |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:24:40 -
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"killboard killboard"
Also, the issue isn't the killboard, but the people. |
Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point Warp to Cyno.
1233
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:25:32 -
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Sol Project wrote:"killboard killboard"
Also, the issue isn't the killboard, but the people.
Haha i know, just fixed it. NO idea how that happened, must have been a spai. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14158
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:27:28 -
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Remove killboards and they will think up another excuse to not fight you.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Mining Man Manny
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:31:12 -
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If you don't think killboards really mean anything then give your corpmates the bird, go fly your ships and have fun.
As Sol Project said it's the people that are the problem, not the killboard. So, get rid of the people. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
6958
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:33:32 -
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Out of all the possible reasons you could find to justify why EVE combat pilots are so risk averse, KBs are near to number one.
They're the bane of the game.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4978
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:39:26 -
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Really. Plenty of corps and people that have a "0 fucks given" policy for their killboards.
If I was at any point in a corp that prevents me to use ship "x" cause of their killboard stats. I would laugh, undock, let it explode to the first person that I come across and then leave the corp.
EVE is about fun, not killboard stats.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1813
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:44:08 -
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Goonswarm don't even have a killboard |
Basil Pupkin
Why So Platypus
65
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:45:00 -
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I had only one cheap ass pathetic loss ever, happened during my first two weeks in eve, and people are still trying to stick it in my face and ask if I'm still upset about it. I have billions from industry now, I have avoided all pvp (for an indy pilot in providence region, that's an achievement) for years, and they ask me if I'm upset about a T1 hauler with some ore in it! I can only imagine how bad it gets if you get a lapse of mind and get a stupid-looking killmaill for it, or lose to an equally (or, god forbid, worse) equipped ship! People will stick it into your face for ages, you can have 1000 kills spree after that and people will still laugh at you for that one loss. Thus, I agree that public killboards are cancer indeed.
They won't make me think combat pvp is something worth investing into - after all, bigger SP blob always wins, so it's only a matter of bringing more collective SP and committing no blunders in fitting or tactics to ensure a victory over lesser SP blob of your enemy. But indeed they would make lives of those who have embarrassing material on those killboards a bit easier if they go.
A crap ton equals 1000 crap loads in metric, and roughly 91 shit loads 12 bull shits and 1 puppy's unforeseen disaster in imperial.
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Idriane
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
0
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:45:06 -
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If we dont have killboards how will everyone see all the falcons i lose? |
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Gunnar Ward
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:50:24 -
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My corp is mostly concerned with having a high number of overall kills. That incidentally means we have a high number of overall losses too...
We'll take the content where we can get it. Hopefully we win the majority of the time, but nobody bats 1000. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:56:37 -
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We should get loyalanon in here.
He's definitely the number one person with the most experience in having no self worth and compensating via numbers on killboards. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
170
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Posted - 2014.12.12 18:58:09 -
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Killboards go bothways You have the kbnazis that worry about every little loss, and should you lose a ship the give you a talk or kick you out of corp/alliance Then you have the killboard padders that roam around in overbearing blobs or go into highsec and lay siege to systems with ganking
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
866
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:00:22 -
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So, am I to understand that ~elitepvp~ is 95% running away?
That can't be right... |
J'Poll
CDG Playgrounds
4978
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:01:52 -
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Sol Project wrote:We should get loyalanon in here.
He's definitely the number one person with the most experience in having no self worth and compensating via numbers on killboards.
WOW.
That is a name I haven't seen in 4.5 years.
I remember being a corpie of Loyal a long long long time ago.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
411
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:08:43 -
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I have been in corps and alliances that took their kill board stats way too seriously. Personally I just want to undock and kill things. Unfortunately, I'm only average at the killing part which means I end up dying a lot too. But that's part of the process.
Will I get banned for boxing!?!?!
This thread has degenerated to the point it's become like two bald men fighting over a comb. -- Doc Fury
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
969
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:13:42 -
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To be fair I wouldn't jump into you in a site either. You gain a huge advantage by already being in the site, and hold all the cards, you already have range, depending on fit you can be in scram range, or outside scram range, web range, outside web range, sitting at your optimals, already moving, while I start from a stop, and you have the power to leave when you please if you don't like the circumstances.
Jumping into a beacon typically is a very high risk low reward endeavor unless you clearly outclass the ship which is already inside, of course if the pilot inside had any brains they would just warp out themselves.
While risk aversion is present in this game, taking a stupid engagement where you hold no cards is well, stupid. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4216
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:14:01 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:I have a little nasty daredevil with a faction web sitting in a lowsec station, but my corp/alliace wouldn't be happy if I lost it. I have a vindicator I'm eager to use in solo pvp, but my corp members would kill me if I caused 2 billion loss on KB. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one. can guarantee alliance won't actually care about a faction web or we'd be nothing but a bunch of incredibly attractive hypocrites
i personally don't care about a vindy on the board. ctq's lost expensive crap more than enough times in the past
you have my permission as ctq's beauty pageant winner to explode hilariously |
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
1669
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:15:05 -
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You can't have killmails without loss mails, and people will never give up their killmails.
A beautiful killmail is like meeting Jessica Alba in a bar, nailing her, then having a photo of her curled up under your arm in bed.
Now imagine your Facebook page, covered in said photos, including Taylor Swift (and that fail-fit 300lb fatty you took down)...
Why, you would be a GOD amongst men, surely.
F
Would you like to know more?
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Carmen Electra
The Scope Gallente Federation
15115
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:15:35 -
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I have to agree with OP. Removing public killboards would work wonders for this game.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:You can't have killmails without loss mails, and people will never give up their killmails. No need to give up KMs, just the API.
Source: Used to be a Waffle
Bacon makes us stronger
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Petrus Blackshell
Scrap Metal Squadron
3222
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:15:54 -
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If it's not killboard fear, it would be "fear of older characters", or "fear of bigger ships", or "fear of lower sec status", or "fear of Minmatar characters". Some people cannot handle fights in which they have a larger-than-slim chance of losing, and blame it on other stuff. You need to subvert their fear by flying unexpected things in unexpected ways if you want them to fight. If not, just ignore them.
Accidentally The Whole Frigate (blog) - Learning how to pew pew, one loss at a time - www.thewholefrigate.com
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Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point Warp to Cyno.
1243
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:24:00 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:To be fair I wouldn't jump into you in a site either. You gain a huge advantage by already being in the site, and hold all the cards, you already have range, depending on fit you can be in scram range, or outside scram range, web range, outside web range, sitting at your optimals, already moving, while I start from a stop, and you have the power to leave when you please if you don't like the circumstances.
Jumping into a beacon typically is a very high risk low reward endeavor unless you clearly outclass the ship which is already inside, of course if the pilot inside had any brains they would just warp out themselves.
While risk aversion is present in this game, taking a stupid engagement where you hold no cards is well, stupid.
In regards to not wanting to risk losing a ship that might cause your friends to become mad at you, **** em. Or find new friends.
I agree with you, but I don't at the same time. Yes, if a ship like a tristan, or a imp navy slicer, or any other ship kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, it's risky as hell. The comet is not the case. It's not a kiting ship, and I've never ever seen an mwd comet. Well yes, I have, but it were fail fits that didn't cause me any harm.
Brawling ships have no advantage over any incoming ships. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5808
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:26:26 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:So, am I to understand that ~elitepvp~ is 95% running away?
That can't be right...
I got caught red handed by a 5 man crew while in an exploration fit (back in the olde days of exploration before SoE ships) Cyclone once and before I could grab my ankles for the inevitable gank, they all warped off.
You see while they could have killed me I was capable (or so they thought - they didn't have a ship scanner it appears) of taking one down with me. These were cruisers and destroyers, not kiting frigs.
This would happen a few more times with the same ship over several years.
So they were so scared of being "the loss" they all ran away. Pathetic.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
969
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:29:48 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:To be fair I wouldn't jump into you in a site either. You gain a huge advantage by already being in the site, and hold all the cards, you already have range, depending on fit you can be in scram range, or outside scram range, web range, outside web range, sitting at your optimals, already moving, while I start from a stop, and you have the power to leave when you please if you don't like the circumstances.
Jumping into a beacon typically is a very high risk low reward endeavor unless you clearly outclass the ship which is already inside, of course if the pilot inside had any brains they would just warp out themselves.
While risk aversion is present in this game, taking a stupid engagement where you hold no cards is well, stupid.
In regards to not wanting to risk losing a ship that might cause your friends to become mad at you, **** em. Or find new friends. I agree with you, but I don't at the same time. Yes, if a ship like a tristan, or a imp navy slicer, or any other ship kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, it's risky as hell. The comet is not the case. It's not a kiting ship, and I've never ever seen an mwd comet. Well yes, I have, but it were fail fits that didn't cause me any harm. Brawling ships have no advantage over any incoming ships. And people bail even if they're first in sites anyway.
Sure they do especially over any incoming kiting ships. If you are orbiting a couple K off the warp in you will have me web and scrammed before I even hit top speed, in your optimals. That is a huge advantage, even against other brawling ships considering you will get a couple pot shots off before someone even has the chance to build up transversal to help mitigate some of the damage. |
Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point Warp to Cyno.
1243
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:33:38 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:To be fair I wouldn't jump into you in a site either. You gain a huge advantage by already being in the site, and hold all the cards, you already have range, depending on fit you can be in scram range, or outside scram range, web range, outside web range, sitting at your optimals, already moving, while I start from a stop, and you have the power to leave when you please if you don't like the circumstances.
Jumping into a beacon typically is a very high risk low reward endeavor unless you clearly outclass the ship which is already inside, of course if the pilot inside had any brains they would just warp out themselves.
While risk aversion is present in this game, taking a stupid engagement where you hold no cards is well, stupid.
In regards to not wanting to risk losing a ship that might cause your friends to become mad at you, **** em. Or find new friends. I agree with you, but I don't at the same time. Yes, if a ship like a tristan, or a imp navy slicer, or any other ship kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, it's risky as hell. The comet is not the case. It's not a kiting ship, and I've never ever seen an mwd comet. Well yes, I have, but it were fail fits that didn't cause me any harm. Brawling ships have no advantage over any incoming ships. And people bail even if they're first in sites anyway. Sure they do especially over any incoming kiting ships. If you are orbiting a couple K off the warp in you will have me web and scrammed before I even hit top speed, in your optimals. That is a huge advantage, even against other brawling ships considering you will get a couple pot shots off before someone even has the chance to build up transversal to help mitigate some of the damage.
And if a kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, then it's practically safe agaisnt every brawling ship. But what do you want me to do? I understand that kiting ships are scared to warp in, but if you're in a brawling ship there's no excuse for you.
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Mario Putzo
Welping and Dunking.
969
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:39:04 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote: And if a kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, then it's practically safe agaisnt every brawling ship. But what do you want me to do? I understand that kiting ships are scared to warp in, but if you're in a brawling ship there's no excuse for you.
I just told you why a brawling ship wouldn't enter. If you are in a comet and I am in a comet, you are on the inside, and I am on the outside, If I warp into that beacon to fight you, I already start behind. Fighting at the beacons in FW is largely **** because anything inside has the advantage period.
If you want to fight folks in FW sit out on the gate on the other side where people have the chance to warp in at a distance they desire.
Or instead of blaming it on Killboard risk aversion, ask CCP to change beacon mechanics to launch people in the site in a random location instead of @0 on an orbital object in space where anyone in any ship can sit in a position that gives them the upper hand 100% of the time. |
Mashie Saldana
Lock'n'Point Warp to Cyno.
1243
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:42:13 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Mashie Saldana wrote: And if a kiting ship is already sitting in a plex, then it's practically safe agaisnt every brawling ship. But what do you want me to do? I understand that kiting ships are scared to warp in, but if you're in a brawling ship there's no excuse for you.
I just told you why a brawling ship wouldn't enter. If you are in a comet and I am in a comet, you are on the inside, and I am on the outside, If I warp into that beacon to fight you, I already start behind. Fighting at the beacons in FW is largely **** because anything inside has the advantage period. If you want to fight folks in FW sit out on the gate on the other side where people have the chance to warp in at a distance they desire. Or instead of blaming it on Killboard risk aversion, ask CCP to change beacon mechanics to launch people in the site in a random location instead of @0 on an orbital object in space where anyone in any ship can sit in a position that gives them the upper hand 100% of the time.
Dude, I warp into sites with ships in it regularly, comets agaisnt comets, and I've won many, many times!
The only advantage the other comet's got might be drones already out, but that's like 1 second advantage, if even that.
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Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:43:17 -
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J'Poll wrote:Sol Project wrote:We should get loyalanon in here.
He's definitely the number one person with the most experience in having no self worth and compensating via numbers on killboards. WOW. That is a name I haven't seen in 4.5 years. I remember being a corpie of Loyal a long long long time ago. Seriously?
You should get out more, meaning: Visit C&P where he constantly tries to make himself feel better.
This guy is partly embarassing, partly a laughing stock, but people don't dare speaking up. |
Sol Project
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
162
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:45:13 -
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Reminds me ... in 2012 (or was it 2013) I joined the Space P0lice alliance, because they were at war with eveuni.
These losers kicked me, because I ruined their killboards.
I just kept undocking, refusing to hide from the uniswarm. ^_^ |
Paranoid Loyd
2981
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Posted - 2014.12.12 19:45:59 -
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Sol Project wrote:This guy is partly embarassing, partly a laughing stock, but people don't dare speaking up. Interesting commentary, one might say the same about you.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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